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Unread 8 Jun 2006, 00:28   #1
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Couldnt make this up

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/ne...name_page.html

http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2...60255,,00.html

How to get a free lunch by being a prat.

Is this country getting too much of a "nanny state?"
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Re: Couldnt make this up

I'm glad this happened simply to spite Leanne Roberts and the writer of the second article.
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Stakeout bucket and a coke
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Is this country getting too much of a "nanny state?"
That's not really the traditional sense the term is used, so no.

(Nanny states are supposed to be ones where people are protected from themselves - e.g. a ban on smoking. This is more to do with being 'soft on crime' if you're looking for a tabloid label)
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This can't be the standard procedure for handling this type of situation, surely?!?
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That's not really the traditional sense the term is used, so no.

(Nanny states are supposed to be ones where people are protected from themselves - e.g. a ban on smoking. This is more to do with being 'soft on crime' if you're looking for a tabloid label)
Nanny state, soft on crime.... Call it what you want, joe public still picked up the tab for the KFC and the waste in police time.
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well seeing it was a black guy and he wanted fried chicken though
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How was it a waste of police time?

btw i find the idiotic dependance on slogans and rabble rousing amongst righteous people of britain oh so amusing, in the same mindless (now surely defunct) use of political correctness in any given context the use of 'human rights' in a vitrilolic and idiotic sense will surely escalate to the inevitable conclusion whereby the people of britain rise up and in teeth clenched fury exclaim how 'human rights' are an inherently 'alien' concept and what they'd really like is for their rights to be taken away because that will make their lives better.
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Nanny state, soft on crime.... Call it what you want, joe public still picked up the tab for the KFC and the waste in police time.
Youre being premature; perhaps the continual purchase of fastfood by the police in these sorts of situations will stimulate the local economy according to standard Keynesian theory, and lead to greater prosperity for everyone.
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How was it a waste of police time?
First of all.... A police car going to a KFC drive thru asking the attendant.
"Can I have a stakeout bucket and a Pepsi" does this strike you as important police work?

then

Add a KFC bucket + beverage + cigerettes = 19 hours
As there will be police officers surrounding the house tied up and cant go to other callouts.

No KFC, beverage, and cigs = less than 19 hours as most people I am sure wouldnt see him being the next "Bobby Sands"
If he didnt get the "free lunch" which I am guessing he didnt get the bill sent to him aswell (nor the judge will order him to pay for the costs of the KFC when this guy will eventually get done... £10 wager anyone?) he would wouldnt have been up as long, the police would attend another call out.

Any questions?
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Edit: sorry - what I meant to say was the situation is a joke on all sides. 'Society' (on any level) won't like this kind of thing, but I honestly don't even know what to say about the issue anymore. I have nothing to say to anyone who regards what is at worst a criminal being given a KFC meal by law enforcement as an 'important issue'. I have even less regard for anyone that would look upon this as a foundation upon which to build any kind of opinion.

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First of all.... A police car going to a KFC drive thru asking the attendant.
"Can I have a stakeout bucket and a Pepsi" does this strike you as important police work?

then

Add a KFC bucket + beverage + cigerettes = 19 hours
As there will be police officers surrounding the house tied up and cant go to other callouts.

No KFC, beverage, and cigs = less than 19 hours as most people I am sure wouldnt see him being the next "Bobby Sands"
If he didnt get the "free lunch" which I am guessing he didnt get the bill sent to him aswell (nor the judge will order him to pay for the costs of the KFC when this guy will eventually get done... £10 wager anyone?) he would wouldnt have been up as long, the police would attend another call out.

Any questions?

I fail to see how its wasting police time if the police are carrying out their job in a situation that requires it, obviously if society was run properly the owner of that house would be allowed to knock him off the roof but in the absence of that its nonsensical to say the police are wasting their time whilst they're carrying out their job. Its an absurd circular argument whereby anyone who breaks the law and is dealt with by the police 'wastes police time'.
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I cant see whats wrong really, he has human rights, if the police denied him food etc after he asked for it they could be liable if something went wrong which im sure would be more expensive than a pack of 20 a bargain bucket. He got arrested anyway so whats the big deal?
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Youre being premature; perhaps the continual purchase of fastfood by the police in these sorts of situations will stimulate the local economy according to standard Keynesian theory, and lead to greater prosperity for everyone.

The only positive I can think of is record delivery times ( and besides the fact if you act like a prat you get it for free) as the police car "blue lighting it" has got to be faster than a 50cc moped.
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I cant see whats wrong really, he has human rights, if the police denied him food etc after he asked for it they could be liable if something went wrong which im sure would be more expensive than a pack of 20 a bargain bucket. He got arrested anyway so whats the big deal?
Why didn't they arrest him immediately? Or would that have been too confrontational?
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The only positive I can think of is record delivery times ( and besides the fact if you act like a prat you get it for free) as the police car "blue lighting it" has got to be faster than a 50cc moped.

im sure that even if he never payed income tax and only made his income on the black market sellling crack to the kids, or such, he has at somepoint bought something whilst in this country and paid VAT on it.
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I cant see whats wrong really, he has human rights, if the police denied him food etc after he asked for it they could be liable if something went wrong which im sure would be more expensive than a pack of 20 a bargain bucket. He got arrested anyway so whats the big deal?
Does he also has the right to come down and not be a prat?
not as if he was held up the roof against his will or has developed stockholm syndrome from his pigeon captors.
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im sure that even if he never payed income tax and only made his income on the black market sellling crack to the kids, or such, he has at somepoint bought something whilst in this country and paid VAT on it.
So does that entitle him to a free KFC?
No his taxes pay for vital services not for a free munchie.

I can picture the next KFC promotion
"Pay £500 to inland revenue and get a free stakeout bucket"
the terms and conditions would be 7 pages long
or
Steal a car, outrun the police and scale a house?
Many prizes up for grabs.
Win a free stakeout bucket meal, also you could win a trip to the famous holiday resort "HMS barlinnie"
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So does that entitle him to a free KFC?
No his taxes pay for vital services not for a free munchie.

I can picture the next KFC promotion
"Pay £500 to inland revenue and get a free stakeout bucket"
the terms and conditions would be 7 pages long
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Steal a car, outrun the police and scale a house?
Many prizes up for grabs.
Win a free stakeout bucket meal, also you could win a trip to the famous holiday resort "HMS barlinnie"
"Are you up to your stakeout bucket challenge?"

I bet criminals across the country are stealing cars and scaling houses for a free KFC as we speak! Why isn't anybody doing anything about this?!
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Does he also has the right to come down and not be a prat?
not as if he was held up the roof against his will or has developed stockholm syndrome from his pigeon captors.
Not guilty until proven so in a court of law or what not innit
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Incidents like this are the root of quite a lot of evil.

It was a police officer who talked about human rights. No other area of the law is ever so abused (mind you health and safety regulations and the data protection act come in as close seconds.)

The police officer is not a lawyer. This is not a human rights issue.

The officer may as well have said "oh well we had to give him food because he holds an easement over number 42's garden' or "because the air traffic act says we have to".

this kind of misinformation does nothing but mislead the public generally about the law, anger 'people' like paisley and make the police look like ****tards.

The officer should simply have said "we gave him food because we thought that it might calm him down and generally the police feel that it is a bad idea for citizens of great britain to starve to death".

Clearly the police made a judgement call on the feasibility of arrest by force and decided against it (i'm sure that the house's owners were pleased). They should just be honest and say that that is what they did. Trying to blame lawyers or politicians is rather silly.
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This can't be the standard procedure for handling this type of situation, surely?!?
I get the impression from watching police films that giving fast food to people you're negotiating with is pretty normal, so yes, it probably is.

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Incidents like this are the root of quite a lot of evil.

It was a police officer who talked about human rights. No other area of the law is ever so abused (mind you health and safety regulations and the data protection act come in as close seconds.)

The police officer is not a lawyer. This is not a human rights issue.

The officer may as well have said "oh well we had to give him food because he holds an easement over number 42's garden' or "because the air traffic act says we have to".

this kind of misinformation does nothing but mislead the public generally about the law, anger 'people' like paisley and make the police look like ****tards.

The officer should simply have said "we gave him food because we thought that it might calm him down and generally the police feel that it is a bad idea for citizens of great britain to starve to death".

Clearly the police made a judgement call on the feasibility of arrest by force and decided against it (i'm sure that the house's owners were pleased). They should just be honest and say that that is what they did. Trying to blame lawyers or politicians is rather silly.
I saw a documentary once where two people who'd been distributing some form of religious literature (leaflets and the like) were threatened with arrest by two police officers "because they were breaching the human rights of some sections of the community". I felt like crying.
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Agreeing with Yahwe and Proteus on police officers' legal minds.

He wasn't harming anyone on the top of that roof, and it was far more likely that the situation would be resolved peacefully if they gave him some food to make him happy.
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Nanny state, soft on crime.... Call it what you want, joe public still picked up the tab for the KFC and the waste in police time.
If they had arrested him they would have fed him anyway - unless you are advocating that we starve prisoners. KFC is not very expensive food so I doubt the price difference was more than a quid. Is it really worth getting that upset about?
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If they had arrested him they would have fed him anyway - unless you are advocating that we starve prisoners. KFC is not very expensive food so I doubt the price difference was more than a quid. Is it really worth getting that upset about?
Porridge should mean porridge.
Thats more the point.

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Agreeing with Yahwe and Proteus on police officers' legal minds.

He wasn't harming anyone on the top of that roof, and it was far more likely that the situation would be resolved peacefully if they gave him some food to make him happy.
Those tiles that were being thrown at the police and passers by were imaginary.

Resolved peacefully... Say that to the house owner
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what a total non-issue.
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To really calm things down, they could have laced the KFC and pepsi with barbiturates.
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Porridge should mean porridge.
Thats more the point.
So what are you saying? People should be fed only porridge? Wouldn't that be fairly dangerous over a long period of time? I may be misunderstanding your point.
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So your motivation isn't to save Joe Public money (as you earlier were saying)?

This all seems rather bitter.
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No need. A zinger tower burger is pretty much filled with sedatives anyway.
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So what are you saying? People should be fed only porridge? Wouldn't that be fairly dangerous over a long period of time? I may be misunderstanding your point.
So your motivation isn't to save Joe Public money (as you earlier were saying)?
This all seems rather bitter.
Porridge being as how shall we say non-luxorious food.
No what I am saying is he shouldnt been given a KFC, a sandwich from a takeout and a bottle of water would have sufficed?

My motivation is still joe public's money, Not as the police were going to de-arrest him now... he as still going to take that trip to the station one way or another.
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Porridge being as how shall we say non-luxorious food.
No what I am saying is he shouldnt been given a KFC, a sandwich from a takeout and a bottle of water would have sufficed?
****ing hell, a few chicken wings or whatever are hardly smoked salmon and caviar are they?
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You can't deprive a negro of his fried chicken you racists
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And tomorrow, we will be told "man fed on roof by police - how does this affect house prices?"
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Porridge being as how shall we say non-luxorious food.
No what I am saying is he shouldnt been given a KFC, a sandwich from a takeout and a bottle of water would have sufficed?
I am, to be fair, out of touch with high society but I am led to believe that KFC does not constitute luxurious food in most quarters.
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I think the type of food is irrelevant, are they running a meals on wheels or law enforcement service?

I feel sorry for todays police officers insted of just trying to get him down or just waiting it out they have to pander to his requests wasting time and resorces. Sending officers to get him food, drink and fags and hiring a crane to hand it over to him is absurd if you ask me.
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I think the type of food is irrelevant, are they running a meals on wheels or law enforcement service?
They are executing their duties. I'm sure we've all had to do fairly strange things for their job.
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They don't "have" to. As has already been stated they probably thought this was the best option. They could have tried to wrestle him down somehow but he could have fallen off hurting him and one of their officers. Personally if someone asked me for cigarettes while in a similar situation I'd tell them to get stuffed but I'm not a member of the filth.
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If we lived in Iraq the house would have just been cluster-bombed and then we'd have none of this trouble!
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Well I'm sure the Iraqi's are glad they live in a crime free utopia.

Although I doubt they have too many black people sitting on roofs demanding fried chicken.
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Although I doubt they have too many black people sitting on roofs demanding fried chicken.
You may not think you're racist and all but would you let your sister marry a fried chicken?
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This is Welfare statism gone mad. What next? Giving money away to poor people?

It's positivly indecent.
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Re: Couldnt make this up

If GD were run properly paisley would be made a mod and start posting bad comic strips.

then he'd threaten to ban anyone who disagreed with him and post bbc links with no explanation or complain about house prices.

then he'd go mental and leave.

I blame the Air Traffic Act for creating this culture of denying good honest hard working loonies modship
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If GD were run properly paisley would be made a mod and start posting bad comic strips.

then he'd threaten to ban anyone who disagreed with him and post bbc links with no explanation or complain about house prices.

then he'd go mental and leave.

I blame the Air Traffic Act for creating this culture of denying good honest hard working loonies modship
I think Mods on the PA forums are doing a fine job why change the status quo... then again I am not the one who thinks he is Mod material now eh yahwe? I would be more concerned with the people who run the country and our legal system to allow this madness to happen and deem to be acceptable.
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Anyone who thinks he should have been given any food at all is an idiot.
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Anyone who thinks he should have been given any food at all is an idiot.

thats context dependant, if we accept that the police are there to deal with the situation then its up to them to resolve it as they see fit, if giving him food made him stay there longer because he remained well fed and alert it would obviously be an idiotic decision but if the police felt that giving him something to calm him down and build some trust would hasten his departure it would be a good decision.
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Re: Couldnt make this up

The police officer(s) had to make a decision there and then, and while it looks a bit silly now, it could have been worse.

He was throwing bricks/tiles at people below and police officers, so was a menace. Giving him a bit of food to calm him down might seem silly in hindsight, but the alternative could have been someone getting seriously injured by this idiot on the roof.

I find it amusing that he pulled the same stunt about a year ago though.

Also he "threatened to jump". The police should just have stood back and dared him - no DOUBLE DARED HIM - to.


Edit: just realised yahwe etc have already made the same point. Sorry chumps for repeating what you've said already.
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if the police felt that giving him something to calm him down and build some trust would hasten his departure it would be a good decision.
Why on earth should they have cared about 'building his trust'? He wasnt holding hostages, they should just have stormed the building.
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The police officer(s) had to make a decision there and then, and while it looks a bit silly now, it could have been worse.
They were giving in to his demands for over 12 hours according to that article, its not like this was a judgement call made in a few seconds. The problem isnt the outcome itself (the police spent a few pounds on food, who cares?), its the disturbing attitude towards criminals that is being displayed.
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Why on earth should they have cared about 'building his trust'? He wasnt holding hostages, they should just have stormed the building.
i kinda prefer those with authority over me to be less gungho, lest i be the one who steps on the wrong side of the all important law, each to their own


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what 'attitude'?
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