This Summarization covers:
PA teams apparent Disorganization
PA’s Plans for the Future
PA’s previous PR Problems
Round 11
As well as various info.
As for rather you think that Mist was being Professional are not, Id say he responded in a very professional manner, speaking as one part of a Team. The title of this post his View from a Pa Team Member, not The View from PA team.
You can find the entire log at
http://www.geocities.com/ztimism/mistlog.doc
In the begging, mist and I are talking about this thread.
http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=174326
Mist clarifies what he said in a post by telling me when he posted he was talking about the fact that he got the perception that people thought the PA team sucked as a whole. I responded by saying the way PA team has worked together sucked, because although each individual was doing all right, the team as a whole had no cohesiveness. I suggested that in part, kloopy touched on the same thing I was talking about and mist replied that he disagreed with mist. I then responded by saying that I agreed with kloopy and that I thought that PA team needed a leader because the benefits greatly outweighed the negative. Mist responded that after the experience with MR Brick, that I, or anyone else, would have a difficult time convincing PA team of that, but that Mist rather not talk about it. I responded that the problem was that PA team did not act to pick a new leader, and instead allowed someone who really was qualified (mist) clear up facts. I say that only in my opinion that keef, or someone who is in charge of PA team should have came out with that information and it shouldn’t have been as personal as it was. But that’s just me. Mist felt that the middle ground between to groups (i.e. Karm and Brick) doesn’t look true to either side. I went on to say that from Either side, it didn’t look like PA team had its things together, and that they should have had a line of succession in place incase something like the Mr. Brick incident happened. Mist agreed with me but stated the obvious, that there wasn’t one, but didn’t give me a reason; he didn’t want to get into it he said. He then said because it would lead to people “slagging” other people off. (It appears to me that this happened anyway). Mist said that he didn’t see how having five leaders is different from five creators. I felt that the difference was that (from my perception) Zeus was leader, and then spinner became leader. Mist said that he didn’t perceive it that way… so that’s up for debate.
The Next subject was the un-openness of Mit and Karm. I asked Mist why Mit and Karm, who have more influence on PA’s future, aren’t making comments on anything (i.e. kloopy's thread). I also stated that players didn’t real feel much was going on. Mist said that the problem was that the community doesn’t know whets going on, and that there is actually great communication within PA team and that Mist knows this from the immense volume of posts on the Design thread. And that the real problem lied in the fact that it was hard to let people know whets going on. I agreed with mist that people might not be able to see what was going on, but even in they couldn’t; it didn’t really matter, because the players have the perception that PA team is dreadfully disorganized. Mist explained that from the inside [of pa team] it was hard to see why people thought they were disorganized. I responded by saying it was because the players “have no information, PA team fired its leader, and all Jolt is doing is taking the money and telling you what you can and can’t release.” Mist responded by telling me that he know that saying that things were organized wouldn’t convince the community so he asked what I thought would convince the community.
Anticipating that I would suggest Question Time, Mist pointed out that last creator’s hour was un-productive. I then answered by saying that players would like information as to plans, a weekly creator’s hour with updates and announcements, even if it’s not for a whole hour, just a time where all PA Team is online at one time. I also responded that I felt the community wanted to be kept up-to-dates, and to provide specific dates for planes in the futures, even if it’s highly speculative and in the range of weeks, just so the players can get a range.
Mist response for plans was
<mist|zZz> future plans. First off there's these two speed games, past that there's round 11. when that'll be we don't know, as it's got to be designed, coded and betad
I said that PA team needed to have some answers for round 11, PA needs to have some answers, because the perception the community gets when you have no answers, is that you have no plans.
Mist said that they couldn’t provide anything about round 11 because they didn’t have all the answers figured out for themselves yet. I point out that they didn’t have to have concrete answers but could instead discuss possible planes and ideas for round 11. Mist then said that if you give good ideas, then clones would steal them. I responded that they could tell use which things from round nine and ten will make it to round 11, and he said that they could do that. I also suggested PA team could give us hints as to what to expect in round 11, how ever mist seemed lest enthusiastic about that.
We talked about formulas... ECT, rather dry comments... so im going to not talk about them you can link to the source if you want to.
Mist then said that now, most arguments had to do now with how much skill to ad to the game and how much chance to leave. I responded by saying, personally, I hope that they add more skill, and Mist said he did as well.
I think said that I felt that Karm needs to express his views on issues instead of saying Nope, we cant to it because of jolt. If he cant say something because of jolt he should say why he can’t say it, how we can get jolt to let him say it, and one of the biggest questions people are asking, Were does the money from PA go.
Mist responded by saying the money isn’t going even and that PA is breaking even. He didn’t get into much detail here… so no answers has to how PA is possibly only breaking even, but did say they hope to bring round 11 to us free (already known)
We then both expressed are dislike in Jolt...
Some useless chatter…
I suggested that PA team find how much it cost to run PA, if they did it themselves, and see if they can do it. This thing with jolt is just not working. Mist responded that Jolt owns the domain, and although the could set up a clone, things are best with jolt in there opinion.
I questioned Mist again, about how PA could not be making a profit, and mist said, “Well, they paid for planetarion, which has to be recouped and ran round 9.5 for free but tbh, I don't know. I said that round 9.5 and round 9 were about the same length as a normal round… and that round 9.5 was useless... he agreed with me on the latter point.
Again, trying to get Karm to post replies to certain issues, I talked about it with Mist and mist replied that Karm would say the same thing Mist said... and that Karm might say less because he has an NDA...
There some other things as well, such as some over-general details about new things in round 11, modules in the game to allow a fully customizable game on customizable servers and the like...and mist stated that the Combat system was done.. But I had given him a new idea about something to add to it...
But you can take a look at the log for the other things.
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