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Unread 11 Jun 2008, 10:12   #1
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Roid initing warning

okay so we all saw it this round those people who init much higher and just get farmed when protection ends.

I think there should be a warning for everyone.

" Warning you are initating over your mining limit, you will NOT be able to mine these roids. Do you wish to continue? "

Still gives the people who have wierd and wonderful tactics and god knows want to init over the limit but it warns the others and new players who probably just keep on initing cause it pushes them further up the board only to be bashed down to reality.

This would only come up when initing so roiding above it would be no problem.

Anyways, thoughts, opinions and mz ready to shoot this down?
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Unread 11 Jun 2008, 10:22   #2
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Re: Roid initing warning

saying why this might be a problem could help.

eg, " Warning you are initating over your mining limit which might attract unwanted attention from our planet's many universal enemies, you will NOT be able to mine these roids. Do you wish to continue? "

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Re: Roid initing warning

It's easy to implement and will probably help a few newer players. No downsides. Sounds good to me.
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Re: Roid initing warning

agree, good idea.
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Re: Roid initing warning

One learns best by experience. If someone inits loads of roids and gets roided to sh*t, that is certainly a learning point.
Hence, such a warning is imo nonsense, why make the game warn people for things that seem fairly logical. The game should not overprotect and take away learning points.
New players can learn the right tactic by peer communication and having a glance around the universe. If they don't, that's just stupid.
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Re: Roid initing warning

Yeah that definitely makes sense, I mean it's not like the game needs new players anyway. If they get crushed in the first couple of weeks they definately keep playing aswell, and if they don't use IRC to chat to pros, who wants 'em anyway amitrite?

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Re: Roid initing warning

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Yeah that definitely makes sense, I mean it's not like the game needs new players anyway. If they get crushed in the first couple of weeks they definately keep playing aswell, and if they don't use IRC to chat to pros, who wants 'em anyway amitrite?

I did not say anything about the first few weeks nor the game not needing new players nor IRC chat to pros.
I said, they will be roided to shit once (maybe twice if their learning curve isnt very steep) and they will learn. If not by themselves (depending on being smart/stupid), they will learn by their galaxy making him/her aware. (= peer communication) Communication is done mainly by IRC, I agree, but not solely. There is something like ingame mailing?
In conclusion,I am not in favour of patronising elements added to the game, which this is imo.
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Re: Roid initing warning

I just wrote a reply and the bloody thing logged me out.

The summary was that while I see your point, I don't think it has any basis in a practical sense.
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Re: Roid initing warning

Sounds fine to me. Should be easy to implement, if new players think they know better they can try it (and then get bashed). Better than just getting bashed on some stupid point.
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Re: Roid initing warning

" Warning you are initating over your mining limit, you will NOT be able to mine these roids unless you research the next Heavy Cargo Transfer. Do you wish to continue? "

I think it is a good idea to remind new players about the relation between HCT research and roids mining, but not necessary to talk about potential incomings because:
- incomings are not related to your mining capacity
- people with as low as 150 roids get incomings these days
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Re: Roid initing warning

Seems like a decent idea. One possible suggestion though..

Block free planets from ever going above their HCT limit with roid initiation, don't even give them the option. Paid accounts could get the warning as an option if they want to initiate more than their research allows, incase they're due to finish an HCT research shortly after they go to sleep, etc.

I know it's a slightly evil restriction, but free and paid accounts need differences and this seems like an obvious one. It blocks new players from initiating too many, and could possibly help a little bit against farms.
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Block free planets from ever going above their HCT limit with roid initiation, don't even give them the option.
Since there's zero benefit to initing above your HCT limit, I have no problem with this suggestion. You could even expand it to encompass paid planets as well, for the same reason.
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Since there's zero benefit to initing above your HCT limit, I have no problem with this suggestion. You could even expand it to encompass paid planets as well, for the same reason.
IT could be a matter of timing.. eg next roid research done in 1-4 ticks or whatever, but you have to go to work/bed/etc. Init the roids now, they start working once the research is done, no worries.

Preventing them (particularly paid planets), is a bad thing imo.

Is farming that much of a problem?
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Re: Roid initing warning

i like GReaper's suggestion.. but would like to point something out with the initing over the hct limit.

if you start with core in the early ticks, you can init to like ~115 before you finish the 200 roid research iirc. basically, i think you should be able to over init within limits, like maybe 10-20% more than you can actually mine or even 25-50 roids and keep it a static number.
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Re: Roid initing warning

You should be able to initiate roids before the tick the research finishes. Research ticks before the resources are added.
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IT could be a matter of timing.. eg next roid research done in 1-4 ticks or whatever, but you have to go to work/bed/etc. Init the roids now, they start working once the research is done, no worries.

Preventing them (particularly paid planets), is a bad thing imo.
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Re: Roid initing warning

Fair enough. The original suggestion (a warning system) is still on the table though.
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