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Unread 31 Aug 2005, 01:10   #51
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Re: A matter of contention

Indeed. I have always admired the British. I was very impressed, as a child, by the British Commonwealth of Nations. America is a late comer to the entire empire thing and you are right when you have pointed out that we haven't quite figured it out as of yet. Partly, I think, because there is a schitophrenic (however spelled) aspect of the American collective psyche which is both attracted and repelled by the concept of empire.

I wonder if, when my time comes, I will be able to find a map of the world with red splotches where the US, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. are.
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Re: A matter of contention

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Indeed. I have always admired the British. I was very impressed, as a child, by the British Commonwealth of Nations. America is a late comer to the entire empire thing and you are right when you have pointed out that we haven't quite figured it out as of yet. Partly, I think, because there is a schitophrenic (however spelled) aspect of the American collective psyche which is both attracted and repelled by the concept of empire.

I wonder if, when my time comes, I will be able to find a map of the world with red splotches where the US, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc. are.
you will find one -everything passes. the question remains how you will you feel when you look at it.
i mean no real offence. but you do treat the puerto ricans terribly. what is done is done and can not be now amended. but the future?
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so why pink?
it always was pink.

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Re: A matter of contention

I know, the question was why did they pick pink?
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Re: A matter of contention

Puerto Ricans? How so?
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Re: A matter of contention

we were late to the game. spain, france, portugal etc had already bagsied the best colours.
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Re: A matter of contention

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Puerto Ricans? How so?
it's the whole taxation without representation thing.

see also Guam, the Virgin Islands, a few others that I forget.
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Re: A matter of contention

Guam is self-governing and they are not subject to US income taxes as far as I know.
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Re: A matter of contention

puerto rico should be a state and it upsets me that you don't know that.
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puerto rico should be a state and it upsets me that you don't know that.
Works for me if that's what the Puerto Ricans want. The last plebiscite was inconclusive.
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Re: A matter of contention

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He said 1921. The US wasn't a part of the empire in 1921. Oh, codependent perhaps, but not an actual member.
apologies, i failed to notice where he said this, again sincere apologies.
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puerto rico should be a state and it upsets me that you don't know that.
Apparently most of the Puero Ricans don't know it. I have always favored it.
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I disagree. He can grind and slide down elephants, and i can post on the internet.

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i too feel i have earned this right as i have served this forum faithfully in gathering my 10,000 rep points as proof of that service.

how am i rewarded?

treated as a servile curr i am reduced to the rank of second class citizen . forced to gaze longingly at quazakrogue's breasts and dace's stupid ****ing face day in day out.
And you choose as your avatar an example of Britain's rapacious Imperial history.

Funny: I found myself just now defending you (and your lousy personality) when my wife asked me why I was writing this about you.
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And you choose as your avatar an example of Britain's rapacious Imperial history.

Funny: I found myself just now defending you (and your lousy personality) when my wife asked me why I was writing this about you.
funny.

i think i am due criticism. let her. it won't hurt me and it may make me better.

your only crime is that you love your country too much (far far too much). i am bombared almost hourly with pictures of the suffering. i can not understand. do you follow this? I can not understand how your country could do this to it's own people.

i just can't understand. and that makes me very angry. i am very angry because i know that if i wasn't very angry then i would be crying. and gentlemen don't cry.
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Gentlemen also capitalize the "I".

Oh and, the country did not do "this" to its own people. The country surely could do more to 'help' the people who are suffering, but it's far away from being the 'cause'.

I hope you understand these new concepts. I have put single quotes around them to make it easier for you.
shut up troll

you seek only to try and make me look stupid.

you care nothing for those that suffer.

how sad you are then.

because all you have done is make yourself look stupid.

you didn't even manage to take the piss out of me and i ask you? HOW HARD IS IT TO DO THAT?

my friends, my cousins accross the pond have made some very big mistakes in a high pressured situation. i will criticise them. not because i am you. not because i want to make myself feel better. but because i want them to do better.

I cry for their dead bodies. i wouldn't piss on yours.
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Yahwe,

I agree that it is very, very sad. And I ask you, in all sincerity, what measures you believe could reasonably been taken to have made things better? My opinion may differ on some of them but I ask the question so that I can determine where we agree and where we may disagree. I understand that you and I are not emergency management experts but we certainly have opinions.
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You just neg-repped me and made me cry.

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i just can't understand. and that makes me very angry. i am very angry because i know that if i wasn't very angry then i would be crying. and gentlemen don't cry.
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Yahwe,

You just neg-repped me and made me cry.

Yours (though you may not love me as much as the poor americans),

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Yahwe,

I agree that it is very, very sad. And I ask you, in all sincerity, what measures you believe could reasonably been taken to have made things better? My opinion may differ on some of them but I ask the question so that I can determine where we agree and where we may disagree. I understand that you and I are not emergency management experts but we certainly have opinions.
there were more detailed warnings than for any other natural crisis so far.

first? evacuate. evacuate as an order from the president. i'm not talking force (though the chinese seem to minimalise casualties that way). an evacuation suggestion given as a piece of advice??? to a people used to crying wolf?

the wind blows. it is gone

the barriers break. they were built to withstand a force 3. (why?) but let's not ask that now. this is a crisis.

what i wanted (what i want) is for those in charge (and that means harvard and yale for you the same way it would mean oxford or cambridge for us) to have asked: to plan.

before = evacuate.
immediately after= work out what people will need. put them in this order: 1) water, 2) shelter, 3) medical care, 4) food
day 1 (after) = deal with federal v state legal issues. mobilize the army, buy at comercial prices water and food. (realise that there is a risk of cholera)
day 2 = get those trucks finished loading and on their way. if need be think about air assistance
day 3= start requisitioning commercial property to assist. (ignore the protests and that'd only be a few over paid executives.)
day 4 = restor power. light restores order far quicker than bullets.

this is a basic plan i've come up with in 4 minutes. the federal gov has had years to plan. why did no one know what they were doing?

why don't they now?

If all the gov. planning had failed in england do you know what would happen? eight year olds would give up their savings. the very very poor would donate food. among mine? noblesse obligé would kick in.

what honestly. what honestly shocks me. it's not that your government is incompetent (i had suspected that for a while now). what shocks me is that none of you citizens seem to care.
you don't seem to care. you aren't outraged. YES your federal government has ****ed up big time. SO? solve it! but there are no food conveys from seattle. no water trucks from newyork (what 2/3 days by land???)

you aren't looking after your own.

you don't seem to care.

the dying people.

they are yours. they are you

WHY???? WHY?? WHY ****ING WHAY AREN'T LOOKING AFTER THEM????
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WHY???? WHY?? WHY ****ING WHY AREN'T LOOKING AFTER THEM????
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there were more detailed warnings than for any other natural crisis so far.

first? evacuate. evacuate as an order from the president.
I don't know if the President has the authority to issue such an order and I don't think it's his job to be doing so. Local officials (mayors and Governors) are more directly accountable to the people who will be evacuated--it should be their call.
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i'm not talking force (though the chinese seem to minimalise casualties that way). an evacuation suggestion given as a piece of advice??? to a people used to crying wolf?
I'm not sure what you are referring to. The order to evacuate New Orleans was given by the mayor of New Orleans a full 48 hours before the hurricane struck. It was a mandatory evacuation order (the first in New Orlean's history--previous hurricanes had merited only voluntary evacuation). Of course, some people don't obey these orders and some people had no means to get out of the city (I think they could have done a lot better job with the later), but overall it appears they got between 80-90% of the people out which is substantially better than in the past (the voluntary evacuations never got more than 60% of the people out).
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the wind blows. it is gone

the barriers break. they were built to withstand a force 3. (why?) but let's not ask that now. this is a crisis.

what i wanted (what i want) is for those in charge (and that means harvard and yale for you the same way it would mean oxford or cambridge for us) to have asked: to plan.

before = evacuate.
immediately after= work out what people will need. put them in this order: 1) water, 2) shelter, 3) medical care, 4) food
day 1 (after) = deal with federal v state legal issues. mobilize the army, buy at comercial prices water and food. (realise that there is a risk of cholera)
day 2 = get those trucks finished loading and on their way. if need be think about air assistance
day 3= start requisitioning commercial property to assist. (ignore the protests and that'd only be a few over paid executives.)
day 4 = restor power. light restores order far quicker than bullets.

this is a basic plan i've come up with in 4 minutes. the federal gov has had years to plan. why did no one know what they were doing?

why don't they now?

If all the gov. planning had failed in england do you know what would happen? eight year olds would give up their savings. the very very poor would donate food. among mine? noblesse obligé would kick in.

what honestly. what honestly shocks me. it's not that your government is incompetent (i had suspected that for a while now). what shocks me is that none of you citizens seem to care.
you don't seem to care. you aren't outraged. YES your federal government has ****ed up big time. SO? solve it! but there are no food conveys from seattle. no water trucks from newyork (what 2/3 days by land???)
I can't speak for Seattle or New York, but food and water trucks have been leaving my community for a couple of days now. I don't know if they're getting through yet, but we're sending 'em.

And although the media is focusing almost exclusively on New Orleans, large parts of southern Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama have been devastated. Just because aid has been slow getting to New Orleans doesn't mean it hasn't been getting to other people who need it. We don't yet have the whole picture.
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there were more detailed warnings than for any other natural crisis so far.

first? evacuate. evacuate as an order from the president. i'm not talking force (though the chinese seem to minimalise casualties that way). an evacuation suggestion given as a piece of advice??? to a people used to crying wolf?

the wind blows. it is gone

the barriers break. they were built to withstand a force 3. (why?) but let's not ask that now. this is a crisis.

what i wanted (what i want) is for those in charge (and that means harvard and yale for you the same way it would mean oxford or cambridge for us) to have asked: to plan.

before = evacuate.
immediately after= work out what people will need. put them in this order: 1) water, 2) shelter, 3) medical care, 4) food
day 1 (after) = deal with federal v state legal issues. mobilize the army, buy at comercial prices water and food. (realise that there is a risk of cholera)
day 2 = get those trucks finished loading and on their way. if need be think about air assistance
day 3= start requisitioning commercial property to assist. (ignore the protests and that'd only be a few over paid executives.)
day 4 = restor power. light restores order far quicker than bullets.

this is a basic plan i've come up with in 4 minutes. the federal gov has had years to plan. why did no one know what they were doing?

why don't they now?

If all the gov. planning had failed in england do you know what would happen? eight year olds would give up their savings. the very very poor would donate food. among mine? noblesse obligé would kick in.

what honestly. what honestly shocks me. it's not that your government is incompetent (i had suspected that for a while now). what shocks me is that none of you citizens seem to care.
you don't seem to care. you aren't outraged. YES your federal government has ****ed up big time. SO? solve it! but there are no food conveys from seattle. no water trucks from newyork (what 2/3 days by land???)

you aren't looking after your own.

you don't seem to care.

the dying people.

they are yours. they are you

WHY???? WHY?? WHY ****ING WHAY AREN'T LOOKING AFTER THEM????
I do have some thoughts on these subjects. However, for my own convenience I am not going to post them in this thread. I am going to post them in several new threads so as to break down the areas and avoid a massive (boring) post. Instead just a number of smaller (boring) posts.
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