Round 20 Superpowers?

[Mek]

with eXilition not playing next round, and 1up not in existance, the so called alliance superpowers of the game arent in existance. so who do you guys think will be the alliances to watch out for next round?

[Chef!]

My money is on Conspiracy Theory, but i could be wrong.

[Paisley]

good question Mek that will be one to watch for

[Furyous]

to be quite honest, I don't think we've had any superpowers since the likes of Fury. What we have seen since have simply been superior alliances.

[Paisley]

Originally Posted by Furyous

to be quite honest, I don't think we've had any superpowers since the likes of Fury. What we have seen since have simply been superior alliances.

due to current game restrictions that is one for the past

[Furyous]

well it's the combination of both a small memberbase and game restrictions. But that's to digress from the point of the thread a bit. More appropriate would be to ask who is to step into the place of the traditionally PAX dominant alliances?

[Veedeejem!]

My money is on conspiracy theory, the one with the faggy name (for more info pm someone who knows ) or FO if they play next round as FO.

[jerome]

Ascendancy.

[Furyous]

Originally Posted by jerome

Ascendancy.

Clearly. Especially if XP is strenghthened!

[BloodyButcher]

CT will be one of the superpowers for sure.
I expect the round to be quite open allthough, seeing as CT having lots of members from LCH/1up, but will they be able to hold together without mazz,sid or zhil?

[Stoom]

Originally Posted by Furyous

Clearly. Especially if XP is strenghthened!

Haha, we do value too.

What about Destiny and FO (will they play?).

[Rinoa]

I think whichever alliance gets members spread to rape a few clusters eta 6 f/co fleets will win.
I can see it now... Newdawn owning cluster 2 and 10, Destiny Cluster 4 and 7 etc. The only people who will lose big time will be the less active who are learning the game getting cnunted incluster every night ( ie those we are trying to encourage to stay and carry on playing)

Originally Posted by Furyous

Clearly. Especially if XP is strenghthened!

you missed the top gal last round then I take it?

[lokken]

Conspiracy are essentially going to be a blunt instrument in this round and I think they'll take it through sheer activity and brute force.

Won't be spectacular, but they'll get there in the end.

[Amycus]

I expect it to be wide open.

But I'm going to go with the underdog, and say none of the above mentioned will take the round.

[Chika]

i think newdawn will finally win one. Enough people quit etc. So I figure they can take it now.

[Mistwraith]

wherever most of the exil and 1up'ers go will be the one to watch... an alliance is only as good as the members, and its organisation of said members.

[Amycus]

Originally Posted by Mistwraith

wherever most of the exil and 1up'ers go will be the one to watch... an alliance is only as good as the members, and its organisation of said members.

You can say that a player is only as good as his alliance.*

If you want to see what happens when you throw a bunch of good players on a team, just look at the NY Yankees.

I would expect to see maybe even 6 or 7 contenders this round.

This of course does not apply to Kila, because Kila will never be good no matter what. =^.^=

[_Kila_]

Originally Posted by Stoom

We have you for that right?

No, you had the 1up propaganda crew a couple of rounds back but they have disappeared

Originally Posted by Amycus

This of course does not apply to Kila, because Kila will never be good no matter what. =^.^=

I feel the love

[Pilgrim]

Originally Posted by Amycus

You can say that a player is only as good as his alliance

And then you get people like Rion who sit there and p0wn PA with his p3on ally followers

Rion FTW!!

[Mek]

Originally Posted by Pilgrim

And then you get people like Rion who sit there and p0wn PA with his p3on ally followers

Rion FTW!!

in all fairness pilgrim, what the **** are you on about

[_Kila_]

Originally Posted by Pilgrim

And then you get people like Rion who sit there and p0wn PA with his p3on ally followers

Rion FTW!!

read your rep - Lok

[_Kila_]

There are no superpowers left, only the best of the worst alliances.
Winning ally will be NewDawn, because of what Chika said.

[robban1]

Originally Posted by _Kila_

There are no superpowers left, only the best of the worst alliances.
Winning ally will be NewDawn, because of what Chika said.

that is a kinda sad statsment

[Linoge]

Conspiracy Theory might win but NewDawn could be in with a shout also
FO might win if they merge with someone else

[_Kila_]

Originally Posted by Linoge

Conspiracy Theory might win but NewDawn could be in with a shout also
FO might win if they merge with someone else

eXilition also "merged" to get to #1, why don't you make witty comments about them for a change?

[Barrow|Pony]

awesome. if ND wins its because 'oh bother planetarion is shit'.

but when conspiracy theory wins on 1up charm residue, skill reigns supreme.

[Stoom]

Originally Posted by _Kila_

eXilition also "merged" to get to #1, why don't you make witty comments about them for a change?

We have you for that right?

[Ziw]

There's hardly enough players around to make a superpower. And with the current alliance limits, we'l see no real power.
The best alliance with the best players, regardless of it's command will win, that's my bet.
There is no way to actually MAKE a superpower left in this game.
The only left to do is, saying gl to all alliances that will play the next round wich from my view atm will be VERY fluid with the current changes that have been made. I'm actually gonna go as far as saying GL to alliances to actually do anyhthing with a direct purpose, seeing how this round is lined up to be some kinda of strange mix of odd rules.
Welcome anarchy and the litle bit that's left of the game the way it have been played the past 10 rounds or so; good bye!
How the bl**** **** can you actually make a superpower when most ppl are more conserned for how the round will work, how it schould be played, and whom to sack from the BP's.
Seems a good mix of, pre-pax, smaller private gals, cluster wars, alliances beening pointless and tag's returning is here. So truely, GL! (And yes, I honnestly can say, I got NFI on how to actually even think of how to play the comming round, I can't see how a alliance can plan anything expect massblocks)

[Cartman]

eXilition will not play as a bg nor moving our memberbase somewhere.. all our members are allowed to go where they want and we wont assemble a core somewhere..

[pig]

Originally Posted by Cartman

eXilition will not play as a bg nor moving our memberbase somewhere.. all our members are allowed to go where they want and we wont assemble a core somewhere..

I didn't mean eXilition were setting up a bg on purpose, what I meant was that eXil players may group together in one or two alliances like 1up did the round just gone (ND and Angels)

Originally Posted by Veedeejem!

You seem to be a troubled individual, first you tell ppl there's nothing wrong with respect, then 2 lines later or so, you just blatently disrespect another alliance.

And about being insignificant: if there hadn't been an alliance merger in the game last round, ToF would have been t3.

But hey, nothing new there, most ppl here would rather pay respect to Heroic or Orbit or Zikunion (no disrespect meant to any of these alliances at all, i'm just naming some non t10/new alliances) then say a possitive word about ToF, though this alliance has played since r11, has finished in top5 3-4 times and only missed out on top10 once in 9 rounds.

Sure, ToF might never become a real contender for #1, but does that give you the right to disrespect them like that?

I dont like ToF for a myriad of reasons. I don't have much respect for them, this is because of round 13 mainly. But I just don't really like them. Nothing wrong with that. I gave them the respect they deserved when they first started out, however I have made my conclusion and don't particullarly hold much respect for them.

Saying that, it could all change. ToF might actually do something which makes me think "thats a great bunch of guys, respect". But hey you guys don't need my respect you have finished top 5 3-4 times!

Originally Posted by Veedeejem!

And about being insignificant

This is what annoys me. I hate alliances who are content with finishing top 5. It annoys me so so much. Sure they are needed, but why not actually have a crack for the number 1 position. In the end alliances like ToF always end up being someones lapdog (same would go for subh imo) both capable alliances who cacked it up by being overawed by other alliances.

You prove your own insignificance by not actually trying to go for number 1. Sure you can say you are content with 10 top 100 players (or how many it is) and a member in the number 1 galaxy. But what has your alliance actually achieved?

Personally when im in an alliance I want it to win and be sucessful. I would get so frustrated if my HC were content in allowing the alliance to be mediocre in its success and achieve a top 5 rank. I wouldn't care if I got roided every night, if my alliance won it would be worth that.

If ToF can make the transition to the next level, then yes respect. But if you can't then you are still going to be insignificant, not because people say so, because your HC say so.

[CBA]

Originally Posted by pig

This is what annoys me. I hate alliances who are content with finishing top 5. It annoys me so so much. Sure they are needed, but why not actually have a crack for the number 1 position. In the end alliances like ToF always end up being someones lapdog (same would go for subh imo) both capable alliances who cacked it up by being overawed by other alliances.

You prove your own insignificance by not actually trying to go for number 1. Sure you can say you are content with 10 top 100 players (or how many it is) and a member in the number 1 galaxy. But what has your alliance actually achieved?

Personally when im in an alliance I want it to win and be sucessful. I would get so frustrated if my HC were content in allowing the alliance to be mediocre in its success and achieve a top 5 rank. I wouldn't care if I got roided every night, if my alliance won it would be worth that.

If ToF can make the transition to the next level, then yes respect. But if you can't then you are still going to be insignificant, not because people say so, because your HC say so.

In a way i do agree with you Pig, with the fact that alliances should aim for spot #1, but if HCs see that this is not possible and its better to give someone else the win, i.e act as a lapdog, to secure a T5 position rarther then T10 because obviously most alliances would want T5 rarther then T10, but ofcourse if there is a chance to play for #1 then go for it and dont back down but it takes a decent HC to be realistic and very judgemental in order to see and make a descision on weather the alliance should secure T5 or play for #1 and become T10, its about finiding you right choice in different circumstances.

[Amycus]

Originally Posted by pig

This is what annoys me. I hate alliances who are content with finishing top 5. It annoys me so so much. Sure they are needed, but why not actually have a crack for the number 1 position. In the end alliances like ToF always end up being someones lapdog (same would go for subh imo) both capable alliances who cacked it up by being overawed by other alliances.

You prove your own insignificance by not actually trying to go for number 1. Sure you can say you are content with 10 top 100 players (or how many it is) and a member in the number 1 galaxy. But what has your alliance actually achieved?

If you want to take last round for example, 2 of the 3 alliances that finished ahead of ToF did so by merging. Some see this as diserving of no respect, so yes finishing in top 5 is worthy of respect.

[Amycus]

Originally Posted by horn

i'm not suggesting it isn't but how does this conclusion follow from the rest of your post?

It means that when you have 2-3 alliance merging to remain in the t5 or even win; anyone in the t5 that is there with what they have, in my opinion, diserve all the respect you can give.

[.Disc.]

CT is full of too big ego's, they won't gel, and there will be a struggle for who wants control, i can see alot of spying, alot of backstabbing, and if they do end up being good, i can see alot of big headed twats on forums.....

So, Destiny i think are as good if not better than CT, but not a proven force, plus it will obviously take time for them to gel, get to know the right formulas etc.

NewDawn imo will win the round, theyve been close on many occasions, with imo the distinct lack of quality in PA these days, i think the established core of ND will win, aslong as their fruitcaked brained HC don't ruin it for the players that have tried on many occasions, only to be let down by their HC


Therefore: CT = Will disband within 2 round due to too many big ego's. Spy galore and big headed players wanting more than CT can offer them, also the ammount of egocentrical players in their i expect very little defence as many ppl will be 2 fleeting and keeping one home to run incase of FC.

Destiny - Good solid players, proven players, will take time for them to reach their best and for Destiny to find the right formula, therefore not this round, but look out for them.

NewDawn - Finally win a round, HC made a few bad decisions along the way, but they scraped over the line!

Top5 =

NewDawn
Destiny
FO
ToF
CT

[aNgRyDuCk]

I believe a lot of alliances have something to look forward to in round 20, as far as CT is concerned, I believe we have built a solid team with quality ppl in the right places, however, as pig pointed out, no one has fought a battle, so it's all going to depend on alot of things none of us know about yet. We at CT do wish everyone a great round and will give any alliance the respect they've earned. We go in with no grudges, just a plan to play winning PA, and do whatever we can as a Command to facilitate our members in having a successful round.

[Plastic-Wrap]

Man, I haven't been here for ages. I'm looking forward to signing up to play again with this. What is the current big newb alliance?

[Alki]

omg plasticwrap asif your still around

[Plastic-Wrap]

oh, this mofo is back. Haha, Alki where do I know you from? It seems so familiar... lol

[Alki]

Originally Posted by Plastic-Wrap

oh, this mofo is back. Haha, Alki where do I know you from? It seems so familiar... lol

xanadu baby:> but yeah you should drop in few regulars still kick about there

[Veedeejem!]

So you just disrespect all alliances that don't want to be a contender for #1 spot, or is that right only for ToF?
ToF mainly plays for fun, the members play for fun too, isn't that what a game like this is all about?

There can be only 1 winner, and ToF, being an alliance that always has alot of ppl who just play for fun and actually have a real life which means they can't be glued to irc 24/7 like other ppl we know, will probably never be the #1 or even a contender for #1.

ToFs goal is to make the best out of every round with the members they have, if it's t5 they'll be happy, if they can only get #7-8-9 and played it the best they could they'll be happy too.

What annoys me a great deal is ppl on their high horses thinking every alliance should be able to get #1, that is simply impossible.

And if you know anything about ToF then you would know we're a TERRIBLE lapdog

[lokken]

Originally Posted by Veedeejem!

There can be only 1 winner, and ToF, being an alliance that always has alot of ppl who just play for fun and actually have a real life which means they can't be glued to irc 24/7 like other ppl we know, will probably never be the #1 or even a contender for #1.

You can have a real life, but you just need to have internet access on your mobile and be prepared to get up in the middle of the night. Safe to say I do neither.

[ChipZ^]

Originally Posted by Veedeejem!

There can be only 1 winner, and ToF, being an alliance that always has alot of ppl who just play for fun and actually have a real life which means they can't be glued to irc 24/7 like other ppl we know, will probably never be the #1 or even a contender for #1.

Comments like this make my eyes bleed and they are generally made by players in under achieving allainces that need an excuse for thier own lack of "skill" (using the word skill loosly)

You don't have to be glued to irc 24/7 to do well.

You can still do well and have a "real life".

I've never not gone to the pub with mates. Never turned down a game of pool. Never refused to go clubbing. Never played PA instead of going out for a meal with my gf.

I admit i probably spend more time than most in the intermitting periods playing WoW and hence a click away from irc. I wake up at early hours in the morning to spend 5 minutes sending defence then going back to bed. All this can be done and still have a "real life".

If you want an excuse to why ToF are an almost there allaince and not a contender maybe its because your members are just not good enough?

[Veedeejem!]

Originally Posted by ChipZ^

Comments like this make my eyes bleed and they are generally made by players in under achieving allainces that need an excuse for thier own lack of "skill" (using the word skill loosly)

ToF doesn't need an excuse for their "own lack of skill" and I wouldn't claim that ToF is an under achieving alliance, as i stated in my previous post, ToF always tries to make the best of the round with the members they have, good or bad.

I was member in eXi r18, and member/hc in ToF alot of rounds (like my sig says) and tbh, I had alot more fun in ToF than in eXi, sure the attacks and def weren't as good, but i still enjoyed being there more.

Originally Posted by ChipZ^

If you want an excuse to why ToF are an almost there allaince and not a contender maybe its because your members are just not good enough?

ToF doesn't need an excuse for not being a top contender, same way VsN, xVx, TGV don't need an excuse for not being a top contender, they bring out the best they can with the members they have.
Sure the members of ToF, VsN, xVx,... might not be as good as eXi members. Does that make them not good enough?
Be realistic, there are maybe 200 players left that play this game hardcore, 60 of them play for eXi, 40 for ND and 40 for FO, that leaves 60 players that actually play PA hardcore that are spread through various other alliances, plz explain me how the **** an alliance like ToF, VsN, xVx, ... is supposed to grow to a contender for the top?
Keep in mind that alot of the best players from these alliances get poached away after a good round or 2 by a "better" alliance...

Originally Posted by furball

Frankly until ToF start getting properly involved in alliance politics and attempting to influence the outcome of the round, it'll be very difficult for anyone to take them seriously.

You don't have to be a top 5 alliance to do that. Trust me.

You mean like this round where we hit both ND & Omen (when they were still alone) and stayed loyal to our allies?
An alliance like ToF can't affect the outcome of a round on it's own, this round we tried alot, but lack of communication with our allies made this hard.

You also bring up R14 and say it was a fluke, i claim otherwise, R14 we deserved our spot fair and square, it's not our fault other allies disband, that's their own. R14 was imo the best round ToF ever had and with the most active core we ever had too. We also fought hard that round with Reunion (2nd half of the round) it was great fun and we were gaining on them (respect to R14 Reunion ppl, you were a good opponent )

[furball]

Originally Posted by Veedeejem!

You mean like this round where we hit both ND & Omen (when they were still alone) and stayed loyal to our allies?
An alliance like ToF can't affect the outcome of a round on it's own, this round we tried alot, but lack of communication with our allies made this hard.

I would say that ToF's general political direction was not decided by ToF, but by Angels. You may have consented to each move, but still - if Angels said jump, you probably would jump.

What I'm talking about is starting a round solo and making various agreements at various times as it suits you, not as it suits others. Sure, ride other alliances' coat-tails to top ranks, but only attach yourself once you're confident that they're going to win. Blocking in the first few hundred ticks just isn't the same.

Originally Posted by Veedeejem!

Its no small secret that kargool can't stand ToF, same with Furball and some other people.

If you've got such a great core, then bloody do something with it as opposed to attaching yourselves to other alliances all round. If you deserve your top 5 positions as much as you say you do, you should go for #1, otherwise you're just wasting your potential. For starters, don't ally with FO all round.




Oh, and I concur with lokken over CT being a blunt instrument. I'm confident that their players will have the ability to bash their opponents into submission, assuming that this 'Destiny' thing isn't as big as some are making it out to be.

[Veedeejem!]

Originally Posted by furball

I would say that ToF's general political direction was not decided by ToF, but by Angels. You may have consented to each move, but still - if Angels said jump, you probably would jump.

What I'm talking about is starting a round solo and making various agreements at various times as it suits you, not as it suits others. Sure, ride other alliances' coat-tails to top ranks, but only attach yourself once you're confident that they're going to win. Blocking in the first few hundred ticks just isn't the same.

Just to get the story straight, we were the ones that approached Angels to hit Omen, not the other way around. We hit Omen together a couple of times and then we went our seperate way again, only keeping a NAP.
You obviously have no idea WTF you're talking about, since ToF always starts the round solo, and makes their political agreements as it suits themselves, not others.
Hell, alot of rounds ToF even stayed solo the entire round, so saying we attach ourselves to other alliances is nothing more than a blatant lie by somebody who is completly clueless on what ToF is and who runs it and in what way they run it.

Originally Posted by furball

If you've got such a great core, then bloody do something with it as opposed to attaching yourselves to other alliances all round. If you deserve your top 5 positions as much as you say you do, you should go for #1, otherwise you're just wasting your potential. For starters, don't ally with FO all round.

Stuff like that makes me wonder if you actually have bothered to read what i posted.
Show me 1 (that ain't much aint it?) quote from me from this thread where i've said ToF has a such a great core. I'm sure you can read this thread over and over again and not find me saying that.
I said we had a fun core, not a great core in playing style like eXi/1up/Angels/Omen.

We deserved our t5 spot this round, and it was the best we could get out of this round, you should know (being one of the people that think they know EVERYTHING there is to know about PA) that it is a huge jump from being a T5 alliance to a contender for #1. We're not wasting our potential, we're getting the maximum we can get out of our group of players and i wouldn't want it any other way.

and FYI: we didn't ally FO the entire round before you post another reply without actually reading what I've said:
Around tick 3-500 we aproached Angels to hit Omen together.
After a couple of night targetting them we went our own way again, only keeping a NAP in place.
After that we pretty much did everything on our own except keeping the naps so atleast some of the universe would lay of us.
There were some talks of hitting together, but there simply wasn't enough communication from Angels part to make that work (they were never around when we needed them, infact most communication we had with them was recalling friendly fire from both ways).

Claiming we rode Angels to our spot is very wrong and tbh, I don't even know where you got your information from or if you just invented it yourself based on some stuff you might have read that isn't accurate.

:edit: If we would have jumped when FO asked us to jump, don't you think we would have attacked eXi like they asked us to do and we didn't caus going to war with eXi just wasn't in our best intrest?
Have you ever bothered to talk to a ToF HC before you start posting crap like that? Maybe get your story straight, know the facts, not rely on simply what you think is the truth?

But still, you're always posting in a way like this when it comes to ToF so i'm not very suprised.
I just wonder what we ever did to you to get you to badmouth us for such a long time now, maybe we ate your pie or something...

[Caj]

i think CT will prolly win tbh
Ascendency are the ones to watch out for, we know CT is powerful, but I also see a force rising towards the end hehe

[ReligFree]

Okay i dont mean to be stupid or bitchy but how can you win this bluntly? Suiciding fleets but not as much as everyone else? Being able to launch more fleets than everyone else? People getting up to cover def calls?

How can that be described as blunt. Thats simply how you win, end of.

[lokken]

Originally Posted by ReligFree

Okay i dont mean to be stupid or bitchy but how can you win this bluntly? Suiciding fleets but not as much as everyone else? Being able to launch more fleets than everyone else? People getting up to cover def calls?

How can that be described as blunt. Thats simply how you win, end of.

Well all I did was describe CT as a 'blunt instrument' i.e. an object very good at hitting people with, but nothing particularly spectacular.

I didn't say they would win bluntly I simply compared them to an object of my choosing to reflect their prospects. They'll be pretty constant, not as good as exilition and will grind it out 'cos man for man they can probably bludgeon other alliances reasonably effectively.

Plus last round was pretty entertaining so this one will probably be much the opposite.

[Furyous]

Originally Posted by lokken

Well all I did was describe CT as a 'blunt instrument' i.e. an object very good at hitting people with, but nothing particularly spectacular.

I didn't say they would win bluntly I simply compared them to an object of my choosing to reflect their prospects. They'll be pretty constant, not as good as exilition and will grind it out 'cos man for man they can probably bludgeon other alliances reasonably effectively.

You're perfectly entitled to your prejudices, but it would be appropriate to point out that you know very little about CT: I presume you're ignorant to it's memberbase, it's intended style of play or it's strategical plan (although there shouldn't be one yet). To think that all it will do is battle it out hard and straight might be to underestimate the potential for some kind of flair and innovation. It's not only Ascendancy who can be original.

Originally Posted by lokken

Plus last round was pretty entertaining so this one will probably be much the opposite.

I found it particularly dull to be quite honest. But then again being in the top gal (were you?) would make it entertaining. Alliance wise it was a complete mess.