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Unread 24 May 2006, 22:18   #174
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Re: 1up's not-ingame members

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Originally Posted by furball
NewDawn and Insomnia have controlled the political situation this round, not anyone else. They co-operated early on - and until ND unilaterally ended this co-operation, they hit Omen to kingdom come. In doing so they screwed up politically - because when they needed Omen, Omen weren't going to come running. There have been major trust issues which ND/Insomnia were not willing to resolve. They were singularly responsible for these issues, yet were unwilling to make the sacrifices necessary to solve them.
ND and Insomnia cooperated at most 4 or 5 times to hit Omen. This was spread over 2 periods, the first time I remember 2 consecutive nights when we cooperated and then Insomnia pulled out. ND continued to hit Omen gals but didn't fully target them. A week or so later we cooperated again for 2 or 3 nights I think to hit Omen properly again. After that ND went back to hitting Omen gals for a while and then just went to hitting fat gals.

This was at least a week ago, if not longer (I can't remember exact dates but I think it was probably nearer 2 weeks).

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Originally Posted by Furball
NewDawn and Insomnia, wiser heads clearly did not prevail. You ignored 1up until it was too late. You focused on a lesser threat in Omen and must have been oblivious to the power that 1up had gathered while being left alone by the top alliances. Value will win this round, and by not taking roids off the top 1up planets you handed the round to them. You blamed Omen at every turn instead of looking at your own abilities and responsibilities. You failed in these responsibilities with the decisions you made.
A week or so ago ND were approached by Omen to hit 1up. By this stage Omen were a good 5-10mil score ahead of us and 5k or so roids ahead. ND were willing to help hit 1up as long as Omen started it, even if only 1 or 2 ticks before us.

To me this seemed reasonable as Omen were obviously in the stronger postion and would benefit more by taking out the nearest competition. However Omen completely refused to do anything unless ND launched 6 ticks before them, claiming that this was because they couldn't trust us (despite not having dealt with us politically up to that point). Whilst a lack of trust may have been a partial reason anyone with half a brain could see that what Omen really wanted was for 1up to start setting up and launching retals on us before they launched.

As far as our responsibilities go I think a HC's responsibility is to its members, not to the rest of the PA community. If we had agreed to hit 1up whilst being behind Omen by a fair distance what would we have achieved? A lot of incoming that would put us even further behind Omen and effectively eliminate any chance of finishing 2nd or even 3rd, let alone 1st.

On a slightly different note I feel Omen finally sealed a 1up victory for this round (as is obviously the most likely result at this moment) by deciding to launch about 50 fleets on our biggest member within 2 days. This was the reason ND decided to hit Omen last night. Had those 50 fleets been directed at, say, 1up's second biggest planet (at the time not in tag) then the situation now may well be very different)
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