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Re: Dhimmitude in the UK

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Originally Posted by Justafox View Post
Fact is the uk does acknowledge freedom of speech:
No. The UK does not.

The UK does 2 things.

I know that idiots would rather life was simple but proper governance is complicated.

The Uk
1) has adopted and accepts the right to freedom of expression within the law (by adopting article 10 of the ecrh by statute in the Human Rights Act 1998) - a qualified right
2) has many common law constrainsts, built up over centuries, which phohibit restrictions on freedom of expression

The UK does not accept free speech because in the legal system of England & Wales you would be mad to. Rather than making free speech a positive legal right we prohibit restrictions on feedom of speech where necessary.

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The right to freedom of speech is recognized as a human right under Article 19 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights
fascinating stuff. these declarations and international treaties are worthless and non binding

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and recognized in international human rights law in the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.
again, riveting, but irrelevant

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The ICCPR recognizes the right to freedom of speech as "the right to hold opinions without interference. Everyone shall have the right to freedom of expression".
As irrelevant as quoting an irrelevant document is; there is still a point you miss here. No sane person has ever argued that the right to freedom of expresion is unqualified.

selectively quoting is the last refuge of an idiot

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Furthermore freedom of speech is recognized in European, inter-American and African regional human rights law.
AGAIN - i am utterly fascinated but you have repeated the same utterly irrelevant point 3 times now. A friend of mine is the head of state of a very small nation, he is a friend and i like him a lot, but what laws he has are irrelevant when i think of what laws the uk should have

there are what? 192 members of the UN? if all of the 191 other members had a law and the UK was the only country that did not have that law; then when it came to thinking about whether or not the uk should have that law, the fact that 191 other countries had decided one way - would still be irrelevant.

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About the guy being a moron, i agree. But this was just plain wrong.
that is your opinion. it is certainly not legal fact within the sovereign United Kingdom.

I am a supporter of freedom of expresion.

BUT

I will lose my patience.
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