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Originally Posted by lokken
In all honesty, I think we should delete any thread about the validity of religion or whether there is a god etc, as quite frankly they near always end up descending into absolutely terrible, terrible threads, with or without travler.
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Most threads descend, at some point or level, into direness or bile; the fact that religion ones tend to more is merely an expression that people tend to care more about this debate, at least on the religious side of things.
Are we only meant to debate things we don't care about?
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Originally Posted by lokken
What people believe or don't believe in this regard is up to them and in all honesty leads to an almost pointless discussion.
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I disagree. I like finding out other viewpoints; I'm not so arrogant as to presume that I have thought of every argument upon every topic (although I will admit that, on the topic at hand, I have encountered a great amount of argument and discussion), and threads where there are frank exchanges of views give me an opportunity to evaluate my own beliefs and knowledge, and, if appropriate, adjust them accordingly.
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Originally Posted by lokken
As JBG says it leads to something akin to lecturing rather than discussion and thus it shouldn't be present here.
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That's a question of presentation, not of topic. I could make a lecturing thread about the scientific method, about making pizza, about Rise of Legends. It doesn't make them invalid areas for discussion, and indeed this wouldn't be a lecturing thread if Travler actually replied to people, which was part of J's post which you have chosen to ignore.
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Originally Posted by lokken
travler obviously has his own reasons for being a christian, they're his own and I don't actually care what they are or why and i don't want to read them. I don't want to persuade him otherwise or like to see him ridiculed nor do I want to do it with other users regarding atheism as in all honesty, the thread will almost certainly be shit.
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You don't. Are you so arrogant as to claim that you speak for everyone?
When people get uppity about the number, or mere presence, of football threads, do you argue with them because, obviously from their point of view, removing the football threads will improve the forum?
The entire point of the forum is to discuss things, if we have to have discussions only where everyone enjoys or understands them we'd never get very far.
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Originally Posted by lokken
tThere's a strong qualitative argument for following my proposal and I hope the mods on here take note.
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If you're using "qualitative" in its conventional meaning, then it's redundent in this sentence. Furthermore, your argument is based on opinion where it has any logical merit at all, and thus, ironically, is rather appropriate for this thread.