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Originally Posted by hyfe
Are you equatating self-defence in-the-moment-panic to a bunch of people sitting down and trying to decide if somebody should be 'removed' from society or not?
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They're not the same but I'd say they had a similar moral basis.
Although that wasn't really the main thrust of his point. His point was that governments killing people is not that unusual. And he's correct. Certainly if you take only the twentieth century there are those who are that people were more likely to be killed by their own government than by foriegn powers (or by other citizens). Admittedly Russia / China / Germany warp those statistics a little, but the point remains.
On executions, even ignoring dissidents afaik China is well ahead of America on executions (even if it's not on prisoners).
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Either way.. when is the last time the Swedish government killed anybody?
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Sweden is hardly typical of most governments, and in any case there are probably cases where the police have killed people who resisted arrest (admittedly I have no basis for this, but most police seem to do this from time to time even if accidently).