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Originally Posted by arbondigo

Well if it's not going to happen then why talk crap all the time about our history?

because your history is crap. and I am confronting you with it. if the Englsih people were more aware of the crimes of their past(like creating the nation of iraq, playing out the ehtnical groups against eachother, robbing the country for 40 years, selling chemical weapons to brutal dictators), they wouldnt support a prime minister who dares to invade the country AGAIN. for the third ****ing time.

Look at Jammy jim, he didnt even had a clue what his country has done to the poor people of iraq for that last 85 years.

you have to be confronted with your past to learn from it and stay the **** home next time. You can not help people, all you do is steal and then leave the place all ****ed up.
lets see, which country was bombed before iraq???? ahhh yes, afghanistan in 2001 but wait a minute afghanistan???
wasnt atheir some encountrers between afghanistan and britain????



The First Anglo-Afghan War lasted from 1839 to 1842.

Fearing increasing Russian influence in Afghanistan, the British resolved to depose Dost Muhammad and restore former ruler Shah Shuja.

In the opening campaign in 1839 the British captured Kandahar, Ghazni and Kabul, and captured Dost Muhammad, sending him to India. Having restored Shuja to the throne, the British withdrew, leaving two envoys and a garrison in Kabul.

In 1841 the Afghans rose against the British in Kabul, killing both the British agents and surrounding the garrison. In early 1842 the garrison surrendered, and was offered safe conduct to return to India. However, the British force was ambushed in the Khyber Pass and massacred.

In retaliation, the British reinvaded, relieving the besieged British garrison in Jalalabad, and then pushed on to Kabul. Ninety-five prisoners from the earlier massacre were rescued, and the British destroyed the citadel and central bazaar of Kabul. However, as Shah Shuja had been assassinated by this point, the British decided it was unprofitable to occupy the country and withdrew.


but of course this wasnt enough, the country wasnt ****ed up enough by the english invaders. so lets go to round number 2

The Second Anglo-Afghan War:

The amir not only refused to receive a British mission but threatened to stop it if it were dispatched. Lord Lytton, the viceroy, called Sher Ali's bluff and ordered a diplomatic mission to set out for Kabul on November 21, 1878. The mission was turned back as it approached the eastern entrance of the Khyber Pass, thus triggering the Second Anglo-Afghan War. A British force of about 40,000 fighting men were distributed into military columns which penetrated Afghanistan at three different points. An alarmed Sher Ali attempted to appeal in person to the tsar for assistance, but unable to do so, he returned to Mazar-e Sharif, where he died the following February.

With British forces occupying much of the country, Sher Ali's son and successor, Yaqub Khan, signed the Treaty of Gandamak in May 1879 to prevent a British invasion of the rest of the country. According to this agreement and in return for an annual subsidy and vague assurances of assistance in case of foreign aggression, Yaqub relinquished control of Afghan foreign affairs to the British. British representatives were installed in Kabul and other locations, British control was extended to the Khyber and Michni passes, and the Afghanistan ceded various frontier areas to Britain. An Afghan uprising opposed to the Treaty of Gandamak was foiled in October 1879. A noted historian, W. Kerr Fraser-Tytler, suggests that Yaqub abdicated because he did not wish to suffer the same fate that befell Shah Shuja following the first war.

In a replay of 1841 the British managed to have their Kabul garrison annihilated. By 1881 the British had had enough, despite the victorous slaughter at the Battle of Maiwand in July 1880 - they left. The British gained some territory and retained a little influence but in a clever stroke they placed Abdur Rahman Khan on the throne. A man of such supple loyalties that he was acceptable to the British, the Russians and the Afghan people.

so ok, some invadings, some mass slaughter, then they placed a tyrant dictator puppet on the throne and left again. Maybe their bloodthirst was satisfied this time, but noooooo, we do know the english, you cant get rid of them
so here comes round number 3


hird Anglo-Afghan War and Independence

Amanullah's ten years of reign initiated a period of dramatic change in Afghanistan in both foreign and domestic politics. Amanullah declared full independence and sparked the Third Anglo-Afghan War. Amanullah altered foreign policy in his new relations with external powers and transformed domestic politics with his social, political, and economic reforms. Although his reign ended abruptly, he achieved some notable successes, and his efforts failed as much due to the centripetal forces of tribal Afghanistan and the machinations of Russia and Britain as to any political folly on his part.

Amanullah came to power just as the entente between Russia and Britain broke down following the Russian Revolution of 1917. Once again Afghanistan provided a stage on which the great powers played out their schemes against one another. Amanullah attacked the British in May 1919 in two thrusts, taking them by surprise. Afghan forces achieved success in the early days of the war as Pashtun tribesmen on both sides of the border joined forces with them.

The military skirmishes soon ended in a stalemate as the British recovered from their initial surprise. Britain virtually dictated the terms of the 1919 Rawalpindi Agreement, a temporary armistice that provided, somewhat ambiguously, for Afghan self-determination in foreign affairs. Before final negotiations were concluded in 1921, however, Afghanistan had already begun to establish its own foreign policy, including diplomatic relations with the new government in the Soviet Union in 1919. During the 1920s, Afghanistan established diplomatic relations with most major countries.


so lets see, the british empire ****ed up afghanistan, iraq, iran, india/ pakistan. waooo nice work