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Originally Posted by All Systems Go

Why do we have to impose these laws? The UK was under threats of terrorism for decades before these laws. Such laws tend to persecute minorities and such persecution can incrse the risk of terrorist attacks.

And there will always be the threat of terrorism, what we can do to prevent it is being done, yet you believe that ignoring that will be the best course of action? it aint gone away so far has it?

Originally Posted by All Systems Go

To keep things in perspective, these laws are being used against people protesting the expansion of an airport.

As mentioned they were searching for individuals who sought to demonstate by use of violence and terror.

Originally Posted by All Systems Go

That's what they all say.

And they are always lying?

Originally Posted by All Systems Go

Debatable.

Debate it.

Originally Posted by All Systems Go

Debatable. Even if you are correct, there has been an undeniable sldie towards such a situation.

debate it, and i may have to agree there is a considerable increased move towards a police state.

Originally Posted by All Systems Go

All we can do is look to the past. And shudder.

you refuse to acknowledge all the things that have been achieved?



[quote=All Systems Go]You've already accepted the modern government lies, kills and tortures for its own purposes, is it so unlikely that they'll do it here?[quote] correction i have seen that prior governments lie, books covers etc, you cant tell till its done.

Originally Posted by All Systems Go

Seeing as you have advocated limiting the rights of every signle individual in the country you are, by definition correct. But if you're trying to suggest that millions of people are on the verge of dying as the result of a terrorist attack I would asy you're wwwaaaaaaaayy off.

your pen pals with them, know they only intend to pop a couple of people here and there? How do you know that isn't a possible threat?

Originally Posted by All Systems Go

Appealing to emotion is not a good argument. No, wait. It's not an argument at all.

what about appealing to someones humanity? you feel these people you have never met deserve to have more liberty than you? Me?

Originally Posted by All Systems Go

I don't really see this as a move towards security when the state is allowed to place itself in a position to use force and illegal detentions to protect its own interests.

When Putin passes these laws they're because he's a criminal. When it happens in our country it's 'legitimate.'

again future is unpredictable, you dont definitly know that anything will happen.

Originally Posted by All Systems Go

So that makes all laws good? People must be protected from terrorism, but they must also be protected from the potentially far more serious threat of crimes committed by the state.

i agree, there must be a degree of protection, how do you propose we do that?

Originally Posted by All Systems Go

That you feel the government actually represents you as an individual is rather sweet, but naive.

i dont, but i fail to see why that gives my arguements any less merit.

Originally Posted by All Systems Go

You keep on beliving that.

i shall.

Originally Posted by All Systems Go

Wrong.

examples? evidence?




[quote=All Systems Go]Take a look at some of the legislation passed. It's all pretty restrictive. Just because you don't feel it every moment doesn't mean it's not happening.[quote] agreed, i see the restrictions, and acknowledge why they are needed.

Originally Posted by All Systems Go

By limiting the rights of the individual?

for the benefit of the majority.

Originally Posted by All Systems Go

Say I did run for parliament and won a seat at the Hosue of Commons. What then? What actual power would I have to change anything? If I was advocating radical reform of the entire political system in the country, I would get no coverage in the mass media. The only exceptions being when they want a looney to entertain the masses and be publically derided and called an idiot on national TV.

You admit your a loon? not a great argument already... say you did, then the majority which is in agreement with you, would no doubt back you. If not, perhaps your argument is incorrect?

Originally Posted by All Systems Go

Unlsess they randomly stop in the street for no reason as I inconspicuouly make my way to the killing fields.... Oh wait, I see what you did there!

lol

Originally Posted by All Systems Go

How is protecting people who have done nothing wrong protecting evil?

your assuming they have done nothing wrong.




[quote=All Systems Go]lol. Trust in politicians. lol[quote] better them than you.

Originally Posted by All Systems Go

I'm not saying it was your fault
Although you could have done more

Oh you're so naive yet so

How could this be done
Your such a smiling sweetheart
Oh and your sweet and pretty face
In such an ugly way
Something so beautiful
That everytime I look inside

I know that she knows that I'm not fond of asking
True or false it may be
She's still out to get me

I know that she knows that I'm not fond of asking
True or false it may be
She's still out to get me

I may say it was your fault
Cause I know you could have done more

Oh you're so naive yet so

How could this be done
By such a smiling sweetheart
Oh and your sweet and pretty face
In such an ugly way something so beautiful
Everytime I look inside

I know that she knows that I'm not fond of asking
True or false it may be
She's still out to get me

I know that she knows that I'm not fond of asking
True or false it may be
She's still out to get me

How could this be done
By such a smiling sweetheart

Oh you're so naive yet so

Such an ugly thing
Someone so beautiful
And everytime you're on his side

I know she knows that I'm not fond of asking
True or false it maybe be she's still out to get me

And I know she knows that I'm not fond of asking
True or false it maybe be she's still out to get me

Just don't let me down
Just don't let me down
Hold on to your kite
Just don't let me down
Just don't let me down
Hold on to your kite
Just don't let me down
Just don't let me down
Hold on to this kite
Just don't let me down

Eh?

no idea what this is.