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Re: The Ironborn Backstab

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Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk View Post
As someone who knows absolutely nothing about what's going on (what the **** am I doing on AD?), this seems to me like the missing link between VenoX' point of view and Forest's:

Forest tries his best to get CT members to do what he said they would do, but when they instead choose the course of action that's best for their planets (ie, hitting down), he's powerless to change it. Your homework for the day: why?

Then, when CT's reluctance to hit Ultores becomes clear, Venox, overestimating Forest's influence in/over CT, sees them failing or refusing to follow up on the promises they had made by mouth of Forest, assumes they are (or he personally is) acting malicously, which he considers a valid reason to pull out of the agreement as well, seeing as it had already fallen apart.

However, Forest doesn't see it as having fallen apart, he's hard at work trying to keep to the deal. He's suddenly faced with IB pulling out, interprets this as a backstab, and that makes him write the mail quoted in the OP.

PA politics. PA politics never changes.
He wasn't powerless to stop members 'hitting down'. The morning of the political shift he went on a rant (which was ultimately the straw thst broke the camels back and resulted in my move to c200) about hitting Ult and hence forth going to PT them, after I had attempted to escort some lowbies on an Otters.

As history has shown, IB lacked the steadfastness and longevity to allow that to come to fruition, clearly, because they were desperate. That isn't CT's failure, it is IB's.

CT weren't reluctant to hit Ult. I myself had begun to hit Ult by that point, after avoiding both Ult and IB where possible. People were more than happy to hit Ult, they were doing so already, unfortunately IB were much more attractive targets. If IB didn't want us to target their lone planets in gal raids, perhaps they should have made strides to remove the flashing neon sign that said 'free roids here', through either adjusting fleet comps, or getting on top of politics.

It is the responsibility of IB planets to ensure their fleet comps are decent enough to deter incs on gal raids directed everywhere except towards IB planets. It's not Forest's responsibility to talk our members down from free roids.

If IB wanted no CT incs whatsoever, they should have arranged a NAP. CT was already doing their dirty work for them.

IB's actions reek of desparation, and in that desparation they've managed to cut their nose off to spite their face. Not only that, but they've done so for several rounds into the future.
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