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Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]
Translation: Lets take out CT together, so that once CT has well and truelly been spanked, Asc can take out omen by themselves.
Nice politics ellonweb, JBG and the rest of the crew. Creating a thread soley for the purpose of convincing the universe to wash your own dirty dishes. Asc manipulation at work ladies and gents: Lets get you guys to reduce the Asc victory odds from 1/3 to 1/2 while we sit here and lolz at you all.
If you want us all to do your dirty work, please dont insult us by playing us for fools.
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Not really no. Obviously people have talked about value and its impact on the game. There is probably little doubt that Ascendancy will make more of its value than say Conspiracy would in a one on one contest but such a contest cannot exist in the current political arena. So Wishmaster's post earlier on about
teamwork and morale is essentially talking about a situation that cannot exist at the present time. Omen are reminding me of Angels in many aspects; they are more afraid of an alliance that they can potentially beat later on politically rather than the alliance they almost certainly lose to should they do nothing.
There comes a point where Conspiracy can legitimately encourage landings where they get a greater value loss but inflict so much damage on the opposition that the opposition can't possibly justify landing it through a substantial value lead. JBG's point is
not to play politics to ensure an ascendancy victory - if you think he'd go to the universe with a plan like that you're horribly naive. Asc know very well that people will not let them win easily. They're well aware they cannot sell any political plan without mutual benefit to those who buy into it.
What is merely suggested here is a path to victory for more than just Conspiracy Theory but instead one for Ascendancy, NewDawn and Omen with them, i.e. an open round. Once that's achieved, Ascendancy would still have a massive task ahead, as I suspect the politics would be very much against them once that situation became reality.
In the end Ascendancy have taken an extreme decision and given the usual stellar diplomacy of JBG, I doubt this was a decision made lightly. NewDawn, despite having hit Ascendancy quite strongly thus far, decided it was in their best interests to stop. And contrary to popular belief, they are not the kind of people to be cowed by threats and have a track record of being quite rational in their politics. On the other hand, Omen seem to have a rather unhealthy obsession with not finishing behind Ascendancy, but the lessons from past rounds are clear. They can risk finishing behind Ascendancy in a battle for #1 (although they might equally win), or they can more than likely finish 4th and see their efforts largely wasted.
If you're not prepared to argue game mechanics and likely scenarios and outcomes based on various political actions, then all you've got is empty hysteria. Which is pretty much where you are at right now in posts full of baseless assertions that you won't even attempt to evidence or justify.