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Originally Posted by Wishmaster

terrans would walk over ziks.

Caths would have a harder time roiding them with co. ETC

Both terrans and xands can already hit zik with their FR and their DE anyway... and cath would FR whilst etd are CO, and etd CO stuns DE as primary target, so should be as strong against terrans as cath CO was this round.

But I agree with you, it would need plenty of tweaking.

Originally Posted by booji

not having a killship partner would make a cathaar or etd fr fleet very easy to stop most of the time though as ppl tend to be willing to throw a load of flack against emp only attacks

If you mean an attack partner of another race, then cath would have DE with terrans, and etd would have CO with xands. But etd would also have their own killship FI.

Originally Posted by booji

zik/xan having fr and ter/cat de would however make the 2 cat fleets classes that are sometimes targeted by 1 ship, such as the mantis, tho with few ships targeting outside the larger bs/cr or de/fr it should not be too much of a problem

Yeah, I wanted to avoid this if possible.

Originally Posted by booji

is there a reason why you could not keep xan as de with ter as de and move zik/cat to fr? - thats if the main intention is to keep a high initiative fleet with a low initiative fleet (as 2 low initiative fleets together was imo part of the problem when zik/ter de were teamed)

The reason against moving zik to FR is the thief - it would now be flakked against avenger/roach and weaken CR/BS fleets significantly.

It's possible to fix this but it'd need a series of other changes to rebalance.

EDIT: Maybe not. Halving the thief's E/R could work. Or abolishing the thief and leaving the marauder as the stealer.