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Originally Posted by WallBiter (Post 3155982)

First, a woman's right to choose is simply that. Taking that right away, be it local, state or federal law is what I oppose. And it depends on where you live as to when the line of life is drawn as it pertains to a gamete, zygote, embryo, or fetus under the law. I support a woman’s right to chose, with knowledge of all the options. I am not pro-abortion or anti-life, and I don't believe I mentioned RvW. I have counseled friends and relatives, I have formed my own decisions, and I don't believe the outcomes of those sessions are in any way the government's business or yours... and that is my point. Courage of conviction is one thing, but campaigning to impose your convictions on others is not something I admire.

So if an initiative were place on the ballot in your state to end abortions or seriously restrict them, you would not campaign against its passage?

If you feel something is wrong, how is it wrong to be supportive of attempts to end that wrong?

Isn't all politics an attempt to impose one groups convictions on another?

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I have been in academic science (Molecular Biology, Biochemistry, Biophysics, and Cellular Biology) since graduating with my Bachelors Degree. I am currently working on a Masters degree. Every year I have seen the immediate effects of the budget cuts, on individuals, labs, departments, schools and entire institutions. Over the last 6 (And I’ll stick to my window of personal knowledge) the cumulative effects are dramatic. If you don't believe me just use Google.

Now, linking the budget cuts to creationist beliefs is not all that farfetched seeing as we have an Executive branch that firmly believes they are on a divine mission (not just while invading sovereign nations). I also link poor science education (and, really debatable, but wth, education in general) with leaders that would rather stick by their beliefs than allow children to learn the beauty of the evolutionary process (in favor of *POOF!* there was a chicken and God said "it is good."), or that procreation is something you can chose to be a part of only by abstaining from it (it works so well!). If you want to make a mandatory theology/ philosophy series of courses, I am all for it... teach children to think, not only of the beliefs of their ancestors, but of the others that surround them, and chose their own.

There doesn't seem to be any support in your answer for the supposition that creationists are responsible for drops in educational level.

Sadly, I blame lawyers and self-righteous educators. Layers for scaring everyone in the educational community by constantly suing over everything regardless of how trivial or silly.

I can remember, even 40 years ago, that it was often not in my best interests to express a political opinion which was contrary to that of certain teachers/professors. This appears to be something which has gotten worse, not better with time.

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I think we agree on that, but possibly not on this: religion (any religion) should be kept as far from a government based on freedom of religion as possible. Since you are an atheist, I hope you can agree that morality and good judgment are not solely claimed by those with (a) certain spiritual dogma (s). If you cannot, I respect that as well.

I do agree that morality is not the sole possession of any one group. However, I am occasionally annoyed by those who do things which can only annoy others to make small points. Wanting to keep Christmas trees out of any governmental space. Wanting to take "In God We Trust" off of money. Doing so only annoys and stirs up the other side.

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Really? Sentient talking snakes? I am so there! If there was anything more I needed to convince my childhood best friend that I am now the anti-Christ’s favorite chef, it would be a sentient talking snake.

Oh, and Prover: Yes, of course I have an active interest in scientific policy... it is where my rice comes from. But I am also a person with my own spiritual beliefs. They are also none of the government's business or yours.

As for my post, if I had continued with every issue important to me, not just a couple important ones and a social issue (that when it comes down to I wish I hadn't used b/c it detracts from conversations), my post would have been so long that few could have gotten through it (including myself to check for spelling errors).

I don't know who I am voting for. I do know that I have a significant problem with both VP candidates, not to mention a few with the Presidential ones. Most important to me is Education, followed (in no particular order) by International Policy, The Economy, The Environment, Healthcare, maintaining the Bill of Rights in a Responsible fashion, Tax Reform, Social Security Reform, and a myriad of other issues. Science, and scientific research funding, is important if only b/c it is involved in at least half of these, not just due to my livelihood.

I agree with you as to the important issues, in no particular order. What I was concerned with was what appeared to me to be an emotional rather than an intellectual attack on Gov. Palin. I have been surprised by the level of animus which has been directed toward her. Much of it has a very irrational tinge. I am pleased to see that this was not the case with you.

You're a bit late, dda, Achilles have already won this thread ;)

Palin has corpses in her closet. Also, she appears to be incompetent the last days.

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Originally Posted by Knight Theamion (Post 3156120)

Palin has corpses in her closet. Also, she appears to be incompetent the last days.

She's getting more attractive by the second.

You misread mz, he said incompetent, not incontinent :(

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Originally Posted by dda (Post 3155938)

I do like Palin and think she would do a good job as president

I'm reassured by the fact that you live in California.

Table of US political interference in science under the Bush administration.

I get the impression that Palin's dogma is even stronger than Bush'.

had this pointed out to me ..

Check out pictures of the Palin with her glasses on, normally glasses distort the side of the face as you look through them, any seen a photo of her when this happens ?

Are those glasses a prop to make her look more intelligent ?

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Originally Posted by Mistwraith (Post 3156261)

My glasses don't distort the sides of my face but I assure you that they are very very necessary. You haven't turned 40 yet. You are forgiven.

dda, I have a question to ask you, based on your above voting history:

Are you really mental, or do you just get drunk every time the 4th of November comes around?

Ross Perot, Dubya, McGovern, Carter (I presume you're too embarrased to say directly that you voted for him) - it's like a roll call of all the most unqualified candidates to be President in recent history.

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Originally Posted by Marilyn Manson (Post 3156298)

McGovern: He was running against Nixon. I really, really didn't like Nixon and didn't have a viable alternative. At least I can't be blamed for Nixon.

Carter: The option was to vote for Ford who had given Nixon a pardon. I was offended. I also thought that a political outsider might be a nice change. I was wrong.

Perot: I was casting a protest vote. I was still relatively liberal at this point but thought that Clinton was a sleazy asshole. I was not proven wrong. Bush was part of the Regan administration which I hadn't liked but in hindsight wish we had back.

G. W.: I think that Bush did a fairly decent job until he decided that he was in fact a liberal and started spending like a drunken sailor (no offense to drunken sailors meant). Additionally, I think that Gore is very wrong on so many things and Kerry makes Bush likable in comparison. I am very glad that neither Gore or Kerry was president.

Just for the record, however, I would vote for Gore or Kerry if the only other choice was Obama and Biden. I think that if they get elected ( a very likely event) we will long for the good old days when we had a stallwart president like Jimmy Carter. At least Carter was an honest man.

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Originally Posted by dda (Post 3156342)

Perot: I was casting a protest vote. I was still relatively liberal at this point but thought that Clinton was a sleazy asshole. I was not proven wrong. Bush was part of the Regan administration which I hadn't liked but in hindsight wish we had back.

yet more proof - if proof be needed- of the american ability to distort the language.

Liberal? You voted Perot because you were a liberal?

I REALLY want the word liberal back.

It means, or ought to mean, "having a liberated mind" "being unconstrained by accepted ideas" "questioning" "unwillingness to accept given truths without proof and/or a belief in their efficacy"

A liberal says "hang on a second you can't assume ..."

A liveral does not vote Perot

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Originally Posted by dda (Post 3156268)

My glasses don't distort the sides of my face but I assure you that they are very very necessary. You haven't turned 40 yet. You are forgiven.

actually i did in May :banana:

ok fair enough it was just something that was said to me, and i thought .... hrrmm

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Originally Posted by dda

Just for the record, however, I would vote for Gore or Kerry if the only other choice was Obama and Biden. I think that if they get elected ( a very likely event) we will long for the good old days when we had a stallwart president like Jimmy Carter. At least Carter was an honest man.

yes. obama lies. but he at least has an excuse. the one excuse. the one excuse that excuses you for selling out. the excuse that you are appeasing the brain dead electorate so that you can get in power and then do what needs to be done.
well he's certainly sold out. he's sold out to AIPAC, he's sold out to the oil lobby. he's sold out to the talking points and the stupid prejuidces that invade and contextualise every single debate you see on national tv.
the one thing that can redeem him, is if he is doing this as a means to gain power and then do as much good as he can without being impeached.
do i think he would do that? probably not to any meaningful extent. but if you think he isn't, then simply don't vote, or vote for someone with genuine integrity. don't vote for the figurehead of the party that sets the agenda in this way so that someone who (possibly) wants to do some good has to sell out like this.

there is no excuse to vote for mccain. you're not making a principled vote, and you're not voting for the "least bad option". there is no excuse.

this is a fun article by the way.
http://www.counterpunch.org/valentine06132008.html

dda, I'd be interested to know if you still feel the same way about Governor Palin as you expressed in your OP?

God she's awful. I can't believe you like her. The list goes on of her ineptitude. The Couric interviews did more damage to her than nothing else. And the winks, stop the winks please.

For one, she forced RAPE VICTIMS, to pay for their own forensics tests. I bet if her daughters were raped the state of alaska would pay for it, just like they paid for their plane tickets and luxury hotel rooms to places they didn't need to go.

Another reason is she fired a man for refusing to fire her ex brother in law, who happened to be an excellent state trooper.

For another one she openly lies to the public, saying Obama 'palls around with terrorists'

Another thing, she uses her voter's contribution funds to pay for clothes. God they spent 150k on her clothes. You know how many homeless people that would feed for a year? Hundreds.

She's inept. She is like bush with a vagina. She can't talk correctly, she's literally stupid. And she's got too quick of a temper to be our leader, same with mccain. Her husband is a joke too.

Don't even get me started on McCain.

Because their entire campaign is a sham. I am a hardcore republican. I actually voted for bush in 2000. My mistake. I was all happy for mccain to be running, and now he's so ghetto.

Taken from another site, reasons not to go for palin:
1. There goes McCain's best argument.
He cannot say Obama is not ready but she is. Obama started organizing his campaign for president the same month she was sworn in to lead the third-smallest state's government.
2. She has no base of support.
Obama won his senate seat with 3,597,456 votes, that's more than five times the population of Alaska. He has won more than 18 million votes in a long, tough primary that tested him and prepared him. How has she been tested? She lost her first bid for statewide office, then won the governor's office with 114,697 votes, not a majority, but enough to take office. And apparently, enough to set her up for the Oval Office.
3. The "woman card" will backfire.
She's no Hillary Clinton. And this is such an obvious ploy. It would be different if she were known to anyone or qualified or something.
4. Alaska, a corrupt hinterland.
Yes, she is a hard-nosed, tough reformer. But the McCain campaign will have to deal with the fact that Alaska seems like a foreign land as corrupt as Louisiana. It's longtime senator will stand trial smack dab in the middle of this campaign season, and McCain may have to vote to remove him from office. Yes, they can spin it that she is someone cleaning up the mess up there, but what Americans realize is that they don't know much about what goes on up there. Will they be comfortable with her?
5. Was this McCain's choice?
It seems clear that McCain wanted to go with Lieberman but was talked out of it by the right wing of his party. Rove admits calling Lieberman to ask him to pull his name out. Bush lost his way because he never stood up to Rove et. al. McCain is headed down the same path.

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Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk (Post 3158211)

You got issues man.

He's an Obama/Axelrod drone. In the US, you see them on a lot of forums and commenting on blogs. They're always newly-registered users who only post on political topics. They always claim to be fundamentalist conservative Christians or hardcore Republicans who voted for Bush. And they always run down the Republican candidates using the same Democratic talking points.

Here's a google search of one of his phrases showing up in a host of other online forums and blog comments (it's either the same guy or, more likely, he's cutting-and-pasting from the same sources).

Some people think the Obama campaign is paying people to do this, but I think it's probably just a labor of love for people without the social skills for door-to-door canvasing. Either way, it's kind of pathetic. Doubly so in this case as he's managed to stumble upon a forum with very few Americans. :)

it's quite sweet really.

Plus that woman is bloody awful

(although I have rather come round to McCain after his appearances on Saturday Night Live - but sods law says he'd only go and do a william henry harrison and we'd end up with 'her')

Tac just denounced the possibility of the chance there is sensible republicans :(

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Originally Posted by Tactitus (Post 3158218)

Here's a google search of one of his phrases showing up in a host of other online forums and blog comments (it's either the same guy or, more likely, he's cutting-and-pasting from the same sources).

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Originally Posted by Vendetto

Taken from another site, reasons not to go for palin:

Oh man, you really caught him out on that one.

I cannot fathom how Kerry\Gore could have done a worse job than Bush did dda, care to explain seeing as Bush is horrific imo.

Lol fool, I said it's from another site. I play pa. I'm not a drone or whatever. Besides. this discussion is moot, considering as how Obama won. And don't feel intelligent, you didn't catch me on anything. LOL

EDIT: and another thing, I WAS a republican until the party split, i DID vote for McCain in the 2000 Primary, I turn democrat in 2004.

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Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk (Post 3158248)

Traitor.

Not really, I go for what makes my life better.

She'll probably end up with her own talk show.

On Fox.

She looks like my mom lol!

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Originally Posted by Solargirl

She looks like my mom lol!

Then your mum is hot! Is she single?

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Originally Posted by Yahwe (Post 3154673)

Much as I singularly adore dda he has said he is a republican.

It should come as no surprise that he would vote for a post box provided it had the republican nomination. Ditto Tacitus.

Indeed ditto democrats in America.

Politics only works when voters actually express a preference rather than follow the party. Their own thomas jefferson knew this but was unable to effect change. At least in Britain we all lie about who we voted for ...

EDIT: There is a monty python line I feel is apt "I'm a Roman Catholic and have been since before I was born" insert and interchange Democrat/Republican and you get to see the truth about American politics

I have registered Republican and Democrat at various times in my life. I have voted Democrat more often than I have voted Republican.

I am genuinely apprehensive about a person with little executive experience taking control of my government. Especially one who has consistently expressed opinions which would indicate that he favors massively larger government at the federal level. Not a good idea in my opinion.

I voted for McCain, not because I liked his ideas, I didn't. However, I found them far less worrisome than I find Obama's.

I am an American, and I am proud to be one. I will genuinely root for Obama to prove me wrong and be the best president ever. He has not done anything so far in his appointments or iterated plans to give me cause for celebration.

We shall see what we shall see.

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Originally Posted by ParraCida (Post 3154881)

Sarah Palin is a desperation bid. Fact is a run of the mill random republican would have lost the election for McCain. Sarah Palin is simply a breath of fresh air. I mean, don't get me wrong, she still has all the hypocrite attributes that accompany your run of the mill republican - against teenage sex (hi daughter), against the bridge after she was for it, taking down republicans for corruption yet still under investigation for some fun activities of her own - but she has all those with some extra star quality.

http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/in...lin%27s-Choice

Palin is not a run of the mill politician. She was forced to run under a run of the mill politician.

I fail to understand how the actions of her daughter make Ms. Palin a hypocrite. Unless she was having sex with her daughter or throwing orgies for her daughters birthday.

I careful look at the facts will show that the Governor of Alaska didn't support the bridge. She waited until the expenditure was explained to her and then turned down the money.

As to her "fun activitiers" run of the mill politiciaqns accused her of using her office for personal advantage. Some of her enemies in the state legislature decided to do a legislative investigation although an investigation by the state agency in charge of such things was already looking in to it. Before doing a single thing the head of the legislative committee announced that they would have devastating information on Palin to be released just before the election.

The State Personel Board conducted a thorough investigation and did not find any inappropriate activity on Palin's part.

The, highly pro-Obama media reported those things which they deemed newsworthy in a manner they deemed helpful.

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Originally Posted by Alessio (Post 3154963)

I love how her daughter is pregnant, and is going to have a bastard child

I love how she'd rather go to work then spend time with her newborn retarded baby

I love how she claims that the Iraqi war is a devine mission from god

I love how she raised taxes on oil company profits for her own states benefit, which simply got calculated in with the oil price, taxing the other states

I love how her state received more federal money then they paid in taxes

I love how she was a member of the Alaskan Independence Party

I love how she "employed a lobbying firm to secure almost $27 million in federal earmarks for a town of 6,700 residents while she was its mayor"

I love how Palin kept claiming state allowance for her travel expenses for several years, while staying at home.

I love how you have zero contact with reality or facts.

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Originally Posted by Alessio (Post 3155184)

On Dutch political tests I always end up in the far right corner. But when taking American political tests I tend to end up in the middle. With the last few I did I ended up exactly in the middle, with exactly the same amount in common with both parties.

In my opinon it should be the governments prime concern that healthcare and education is accessible to everyone. And the USA still has to cover a lot of ground in this area. And I'm not in favour of very restricting civil rights either, so I cannot agree with the Republicans on issues such as abortion and gayrights.

However, Obama's views on the illegal migration, Kyoto, import tariff s and the sudden retreat out of Iraq do not appear to be in the interest of the United States. So I cannot fully agree with him either.

So when taking American political tests I always end up as a centralist.

How about the Democrats who want to restrict the freedom of speech/freedom of the press? Who want to do away with the secret ballot in union elections?

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Originally Posted by Deepflow (Post 3155358)

dda were you always a republican or did you only become one once your yearly income reached a certain point?

I became a Republican when I figured out that my wife would stop blaming me for everything the Democrats did if I wasn't one.

I stayed a Republican when I figured out that the real threat to freedom in the United States was coming from the left and not from the right.

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Originally Posted by dda (Post 3159343)

I don't like peoples right to organize themself in a union, so I oppose any plans to revoke the so-called "secret balloting".

Fixed for truth.

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Originally Posted by dda (Post 3159341)

The State Personel Board conducted a thorough investigation and did not find any inappropriate activity on Palin's part.

Governer-appointed board clears governer of wrongdoing, cont. p87

There are many things wrong with the woman, but lets just leave it at the fact that she is anti-intellectual, nepotistic, arrogant, hypocritical and thankfully not going to have a chance to run for the senate in the immediate future as Ted Stevens lost.

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Originally Posted by dda (Post 3159344)

I stayed a Republican when I figured out that the real threat to freedom in the United States was coming from the left and not from the right.

Given that the right is doing very very well at supressing freedom in the United States you appear to have been rather bamboozled.