cov opers = support planets ?
 

Now in PA there are professional cov opers, cath, very low score... they can destroy 1 amp + 1 dist every 2 ticks even on planets with 120 alert level... (do the math they can wipe your entire amps/dist easy)
I think the cov ops were fine when they were used by normal players, but they are overpowered when in the hands of these planets used by some alliances to destroy enemies.
I have nothing against planets choosing to go the cov op way and steal ressources here and there coz it is to their own advantage, but killing all amp and dist at a planet brings them nothing, it falls imho within the support planet rules.

Anything planned to lower the power of some cov ops in the future ?

Re: cov opers = support planets ?
 

tbh lets say this again "Its a war game" if u nerf covert ops liklyhood is alliances will simply adopt the SK approach and have BGs or AGs of people ready just to wipe out structs on a planet in a similar way. sure its not gonna bring insta wipe out to teh scanner / dist whore but it will still have the same effect all be it a few hours later. I guess this kinda moves into why SKs are bad and the fact that people plain dnt like getting thier consts blown up but seriously just adapt and move on it happens it will proably continue to happen it adds another way to play a game where there aint really too many different ways to play it.

Re: cov opers = support planets ?
 

The support planet element to this issue has been clarified, to an extent, by fiery in the rules in the thread at the top of this forum.

Re: cov opers = support planets ?
 

I did the math.

Firstly, at 120 alert, a cov opper at max stealth only has a 5% chance to get through, meaning you can lose 1 amp and/or 1 dist every 20(!) ticks, and that's disregarding the alert increase a target gets from a succesful cov op, giving full immunity for 2 or 3 ticks.

Secondly, those 20 attempts cost a total of 900k res, to destroy 1 (rarely 2, because normal players aren't a preferred target, scanners and distwhores are) construction which at this point costs at most 345k res, meanwhile sacrificing their only significant source of income, namely backhacking.

Thirdly, every time you lose an amp and/or dist, your ratio SCs to constructions goes up, making you harder to hit. Furthermore, at 120 alert you're immune to havoc, so your SCs are perfectly safe.

Fourthly, at 122 alert (which is 1% extra SCs or 2% extra population) you're totally immune to info blackout, making this entire post pointless.

Basically, what you say is bullshit.



P.S.
Oh yeah, and what JBG said.

Re: cov opers = support planets ?
 

i didn't do the math, i just looked at my news...and it is there, so your demonstration is very nice but doesn't change what happens for real.

Re: cov opers = support planets ?
 

Ignoring the fact that you're presenting empirical evidence from a tiny population, how many info blackouts have been directed at you while you were on 120 alert? And how many of those got through?

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enough to justify me posting to talk about it. I wouldn't care if it had happened only once or twice. I'm interested in hearing if it happened to others as well, not so much in your desdainful attitude.

Re: cov opers = support planets ?
 

Mz's just demonstrated that it takes a very big sacrifice from these players to do it, that it has a very low success rate, and also that if you are bothered by it you can become completely immune.

I dont see your problem.

Re: cov opers = support planets ?
 

Yup, even Xandathrii are immune if they are that bothered by it. All they need is Dictatorship + 30% of their cons as sec centres, plus another 7/8% on population. I went down this route because playing as Xan, I didn't want to be a cov op farm (even though I would lose a mining bonus, because they annoy me that much :/)

If people still haven't learned the lesson of last round with Asc/desc cov oppers, then its your fault for leaving yourself open to cov ops :p

Re: cov opers = support planets ?
 

Race has no influence on alert.

P.S.
You only need dictatorship + 25.8% SCs + 0% pop for immunity.

Re: cov opers = support planets ?
 

Top10 Cov Op have an Avg score higher then F-Crew. "very low" score indeed.

Re: cov opers = support planets ?
 

shut up.

Re: cov opers = support planets ?
 

Need to be able to do something with dist-"collectors", and what's possible to do to them i think should be possible to do against scanners aswell. In earlier rounds we could burn down dists by doing alot of scans, but that's not possible anymore.

Maybe by making it possible to freeze a certain percentage of dists/amps at a planet for awhile, would be a better option. Then it could still be used as a tactic, but wouldn't teoretically ruin the round for a planet. With that you could make defcalls for your target a "tad" harder if you could freeze enough of his amps.

What i really would like to see, is the option of targetting a certain fleet with your coop's:)

Re: cov opers = support planets ?
 

How about you just build more amps?

Re: cov opers = support planets ?
 

Zik + Democracy + 18% SC + 50% pop = immune

when u need to buld ships to self cover an incoming transfer pop to shipwrights leaving u open to cov ops for a sum total of 4-5 ticks every 2-3 days.

ez

Re: cov opers = support planets ?
 

Why do people hate us?
We are the ickle planets idling in peace :(

Re: cov opers = support planets ?
 

the only people who hate you are the fruits who want everything their own way and woe beside any1 making or using a feature which they can do something about if they could only be assed to stop whining for a moment and action it

Hey some dude roided me yesterday, CAN U PLZ REDUCE THE EFFECTIVNESS OF ROID SHIPS OR MAYBE REMOVE THEM COMPLETLY NEXT ROUND PLZ?

Re: cov opers = support planets ?
 

Makhil: do u want us to change EVERYTHING in this game that you dont like?

Re: cov opers = support planets ?
 

lol.

First off you wanted us to remove defence ( to an extent ). And now you are accusing cov-op planets of being just support planets? i think there a great addition and as mz has just proved mathematically for you.. its not "that" bad tbh.

Re: cov opers = support planets ?
 

cov op is shit imo, and should be completely removed from the game.

But, when it is here, its simple to be immune against them. Loads and loads have tried to steal res from my lovely stockpile, but they all fail.

Love to see the fking covopers loosing res by trying. <3

Re: cov opers = support planets ?
 

any chance to flaunt your stock eh wish:D

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its almost as big as my epenis now. and my epenis is almost as large as my real penis. But I m not allowed to show that here, so I ll show off my stock.
I didnt really show off though, just a mere suggestion that I have some stockpiled :p