xVx and Nap agreements
 

When agreeing a nap with an alliance and adding in a 48 hour cool off period it is often customary to wait until the agreed notice period is over until you attack the other alliance.

Am I right in saying that so far this round xVx has failed to honor such a cool off period twice and what does that say to any alliance wanting to work with xVx in the future?

Don't get me wrong, i couldn't care less that they are breaking yet another agreement but it could of saved apprime another night of incs if we had known :)

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Like it would matter for apprime if we get incs tonight or not at this point.. :D

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ohh comeon CT, if you really want to fight for #1 and break off your nap, at least be a man about it. You guys wanted #1, and saw an opportunity for it by ending your nap and blocking against xVx. Consequence of it is you pissed off xVx and that will now bite you in the ass, and i hope ppl will learn from this and will never trust CT again.

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Is there a federation in PA like star wars that should punish the bad guys? who dont respect the Naps

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fk u respect and honour!
bitching, backstabbing and whining is the new style!

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jooo i think you missed some allainces.. to nap like patsa and SCAN&COVP FEDERATION.....


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its gonna be even more hilarious if u won't win... lololol

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Ofc they won't win, almost tick1100 and they are hitting tiny 3-500 roid planets in my gal(none of which are in the #1 alliance), seems like a winning strategy!

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eksero less spam plz

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Sorry eksero, we were under the (apparently) mistaken impression that whilst honouring the 48 hour cooldown period with the #1 alliance we were not allowed to attack them!

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xVx didnt do anything wrong, You broke nap to plot against us, and were plotting against us WHILE we were napped. You also refused to help us on many occasions after we helped you... In my eyes the 48h cooldown didnt commence when you broke the nap with us, It started when you started plotting against us... So we have every right to hit you with this pre-emptive strike... so stop emoing and bullshitting yourselves, you asked for this so we gave it to you...

If you have any questions or would like to comment on these threads Feel free to PM me on Netgamers,

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Coolkat you naughty boy !

This could be an interesting round end though!

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Sweet talk it all you want. Find any excuse to betray the agreement. I can only laugh.

Remy, p3on of HR for a round
Howling in the Rain

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want a tissue? u sad Pal?

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It is highly likely GM plotted against CoolKat & xVx before breaking the NAP.. Although GM, quite rightly, didn't break any law abiding (lol) agreement you can understand why CK became annoyed by this and chose to attack before the agreement ended...

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I don't really see how this will affect round end tbh :P

The 6-7 alliance CT block was always going to hit xvx for the last few days, this probably hasn't made any difference at all :P

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Even I honoured the cooldown period with NewDawn upon ending our nap! And this was while the EVIL DigitalZero was plotting* against me!

And somehow I'm a villain!

Which, tbh, I'm ok with. Villains get to monologue and I just love that shit.


*Ok, admittedly he was 'asking around' whilst under the assumption I was going to hit them anyway, but nothing like having an excuse handed to me on a plate ;)

I miss PA politics. If we could do the politics thing without the planets/fleets thing this game would be a lot more interesting.

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Amen to that Sir

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at least there will be some action for the last days
in this Naped PA
Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar!!!!!!

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Pretty homo stuff from xvx. Of course people are going to plot against you while you have nap agreements if they want the #1 spot. The cooldown agreement is a standard thing so that you don't get backstabbed instantly. If you want a round-long agreement or a no discussing things with other alliances agreement then you should do that. Otherwise yeah your word is worth dick. Not that CT napping everyone isn't equally dickish but at least they didn't promise explicitly not to do that.

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It is a general rule (in my opinion) that if two alliances have a no aggression pact to honor a 48 hour cooling off period if either alliance chooses to end the agreement. Whether alliance a was involved in talks to participate in the raping of alliance b is irreverent because there was no agreement not hit alliance b.

The truth of the matter is xVx broke the agreement and attacked CT within the 48 hour cooling off period.

Whether you're HC'ing for xVx in future rounds is also irrelevant, CoolKat, because you still acted on behalf of the xVx alliance, and xVx will find it difficult (dependable on each alliance) to enter in to NAPs with other alliances in future rounds due to their corruptness from the current round.

The main plausible reason why there is a 'gang bang' operation on xVx is because Apprime stated at the beginning of the round they they were 'gifting' xVx the win, and the block doesn't want Apprime to claim victory.

CT didn't break the 'no attack pact' agreement. A no attack pact means that either alliance is not allowed to launch on the other. If the agreement went further, for example, coordinate attacks and/or work with together for the remainder of the round, then yes, GM would have been in the wrong.

Firstly, Influence, You've changed sides when there is only a week left of the round and you shouldn't be allowed to comment on the situation. And to comment on what you described about trust, "i hope ppl will learn from this and will never trust CT again.", well more like folk will learn not to trust xVx in future rounds if they don't honor a 48 hour cooling off period.

CT didn't do anything wrong. They honored the agreement and were honoring the 48 hour cooling off period.

Politics change frequently in this game and of course certain alliances will end agreements with other alliances. Honoring a cooling off period just shows integrity and shows they can honor agreements.

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You're spot on here as always JBG. However, to be fair to CoolKat it was his first round HC'in and he felt that gm actions were unduly backhanded. After all, xVx did help CT quite a lot earlier in the round. GM doesn't seem to hurt by the nap delay period ceasing, therefore it is all fun and games :)

Although it seems CT are in the red today! I wonder if incs are landing late on xVx? We shall see

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meh...an alliance plans to hit you as soon as a cooldown period ends, i would say the obvious thing to do would be to hit them first, otherwise you're a sitting duck, no?

Well it seems obvious to me, the rest of the nay-sayers on this forum are just hopping on the bitching bandwagon!

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Nothing to do with xVx being current #1 and CT aspiring to overtake them then?

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If CT aspired to overtake anyone they wouldn't be landing attacks where they lost 400k even without any defence fleets, would they?

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I haven't changed sides, i left (and got asked to leave) TGV for reasons i will not discuss on here, and surely not with you. And I am not affiliated to xVx in anyway politically. I got asked by my galmate to join xVx so i could have some idiot CO fleets crashing on my (hasn't happened yet btw) fleet so i could improve the chances for our galaxy, and so i could have some more defence against certain ppl who hold grudges against me as i was the one defending an alliance policy they thought was wrong (and tbh, i agreed with them).

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This the nap agreement which you ended by leaving an unanswered pm originally with Night-Sky - didnt even wait for a response.... what was the reason for breaking the nap with xVx anyway? you needed somewhere to crash your ships before round end???

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FYI, we changed our mind, now we want ND to win.... and we will claim victory

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I do think that Coolkat has been slightly out maneuvered by GM but that should be something CK can learn from and prevent in future.
Providing he doesn't get the sack this round.

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!quote influence
<Valhalla> <@paisley> influence couldnt run a bath nevermind an alliance defence

No further comment required.

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4.5 mill ahead with 3 days to play - actually made a gain as an alliance today over the rest - aslong as xVx dont crash thats all over and done with... why would coolkat get sacked for winning???

Surely GM should get sacked for not seeing the first strike coming!

Ahhh yes ofc TGV are amazing now... expect they were 1st, now there 4th, Apprime has caught them up and everyone who mattered has emoed. Very easy to have positive stats when no one is bothered about atatcking you anymore...

I would actually say until they all threw their toys out the pram and imploded that TGV were the best alliance this round, even tho they were hampered with a rubbish fleet strategy

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ahhh, fortunately me leaving had nothing at all to do with my (or my alliance) performance when it comes to defence this round. And i couldn't care less about how you feel about my qualities.

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future rounds of PA where politics and respective political HCs need good reputation for non back stabbing.

but on the +side I'm glad to see xVx now have ambition to go for the win which has been lacking for 10+ rounds now.

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last time you had ambition to win was when exactly???

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Kenny left me broken hearted in R41 :(
I did help out with DCing and BCing in CT for R40
But I haven't fully HCed an alliance since r18 (Subh)

However I might just make it on to the EoRC this round ;)

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don't know where your getting your information, left a pm with coolkat and chimpie, next morning i checked and they were 11-13 hours idle! I did not PM NS.

Tbh we figured it would come, chaos said several times... But we were not going to be the ones to break our word and preempt them breaking the nap.

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mostly because your galaxy has been the only gal that hasn't been piled up against by 4+ alliances, fencing ftw!

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Not to mention exceptional cross defending when we got incs ???

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Seriously, if there's anyone here that isn't xvx (who're biased) that thinks CT did anything wrong - you're an idiot.

That's not an opinion, that's not a baseless insult to be thrown around whimsically; you're an idiot.

The reason you're an idiot is because you're somehow failing to grasp basic logic:

1. An agreement existed. -with me so far?
2. The agreement was to "not attack one another"
3i. The agreement had a cancellation clause - the 48-hour cooldown period
3ii. Cooldown periods exist (when agreed upon) so that neither alliance can end a NAP any time they like and launch an immediate attack on an unsuspecting target.
4i. CT notified xVx (with whom they had a NAP, which had a 48-hour/tick cooloff period) that they intended to end the nap.
4ii. It was not CT's responsibility to ensure the person to whom they delivered this notification to was paying attention.
4iii. Upon notification of intention to end the nap, the commencement of the 48 hour agreed upon cooloff period began.
5i. xVx, for whatever reason or motivation, decided not to honour the cooloff period, and attack CT within the agreed cooloff period.
5ii. Thus, xVx broke the terms of the NAP with CT.

When two alliances are competing for #1, it usually involves attacking one another. In order to ensure best chances of success, the idea is to position yourself so you're in the best possible position politically to overcome your opponent at the point when battles occur.

Allllllll said and done though, I doubt this will hurt xVx's chances of securing a nap with anyone except CT, and even then it'd only be for the next round or so. Politics isn't always about working together with somebody you trust, it's about making use of other political players to give the best outcome. And the other person will be usually keen to work with you too, so long as it's in their best interests to do so.

R38 I had a teeny tiny falling out with DigiZero and everyone said it was the end of the world. Then when I next HC'd, Omega and NewDawn were napped for 3 weeks or something for as long as it was in our own best interests.

Yes, it was shit what xVx did but everyone will understand their reasons for it (if not necessarily agreeing with the execution), so let's not start to imply it'll have any real long term effects.

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The one time your gal had incs and it went -25%?

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Im kinda lost as to why everyone is crying about this... its like 8 on 1 against xVx - i mean we are even getting Dead Soldiers incs and then CT pop up and end the nap. Tbh it was a complete fail anyway - roids really dont matter at this point of the round - xVx just has to keep doing what its doing and its already over. I would say CT left it far too late make that final pushand will hopefully now succumb to ND aswell and finish 3rd.

If ND wants 2nd place then really they should be hitting CT and not xVx, neither can win but ND can move past them.


On a sidenote to ND attackers... if you are lolwaving and get no defence then some of you are supposed to pull off and let the smaller guys land - you landed 2 such lolwaves today and completely ruined your cap and xp gain - 2 things that really matter when landing atatcks at this point in the round

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http://game.planetarion.com/show_new...7djtsrb09frlp5

Apparently im a noob according to one of the attackers. (He lost 250k and got roided the same tick and the tick after :D)

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You could refer the the failed apprime gal raid around pt 120 Not often folk get the say that.
At that time of the round the gal win was up for anyone to take.

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lol that really is exceptional cross-defending indeed!

Also Paisley, the gal win was up for grabs only up to around pt 130. Thats when other gals were taking incs hard while you fencers carried on your merry little way, so dont pretend it was anything but the fence-like makeup of your gal that got you to #1.

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should have seen the waves that didnt get through.

For the record my gal has no Apprime, DLR, p3nguins, ODDR nor ToF in it.
Whilst there is some major allies ingal like ND, CT, TGV, xVx in it.

I am not saying that the alliance composition ingal had no effect to my gal's success but to say it is soley the reason just doesnt cut it.
Afterall we haven't went into VAC mode.

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I love the CT hysteria on this thread over nap agreement protocol, as though it's like a law or something.

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Highlighting DLR from 1:10 going into VAC mode as some how helpful is flawed. In fact DLR going into VAC mode destroyed the unity in that galaxy and effectively ruled them out for #1.

Your galaxy Paisley with another alliance composition would mean all of your scores would be significantly lower. But that does not take away from what you have done individually, but lets not pretend your super awesome either!

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I would agree with that

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At PT120 we hit what, 3-4 gals a night? Not a big surprise that some of the raids fail then

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Thing is that wasn´t the first time it was done this round by xVx, ofc. it wasn´t a big fuss when it happened first time, since some take such actions with a shrug instead of whining

That said - I´m pretty sure CT ain´t the only ally ignoring naps from xVx next round.
Also - when you act the same way twice on seperate incidents it certainly looks like a bad habit, and not a bold move - we shall see....

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How an alliance acts round to round is not something that affects naps - alliances will always nap who they need to to get as high as possible.

Look at ND and App - at war for large parts of this round, napped for most of last round, at war the round before that.

Its all about what suits your needs at the time not past actions of an alliance....

and anyway only reason CT ended the nap was to jump on the xVx raping bandwagon, what was xVx supposed to do? just sit and wait for it? they are already outgunned as it is... if anything it was just shrewd tactics and i reckon most alliances would have done the same in there situation.

The fact still remains though that CT have ended the nap a week to late and have ended up looking crap for it - ND should now pass them if they dont crash more fleets (wishful thinking ;) )

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I completely agree, whatever suit your ally, you take. Question remains, and I assume the intent of this threads topic, Are xVx actually an alliance you would consider napping next round? - since they now twice to their own benefit and misfortune of the counterpart have mistreated the agreement initially made. As you wrote kai, an alliance looks for agreements benefitting their own cause. And for me it seems plausible to make other agreements than with xVx, afterall there´s (plenty) other allies one can turn to.

Ofc. should xVx somehow sit on 50% of the uni value next round, they´re hard to dodge, however that is something I know you wont even begin to imagine aye ;)

That said I I´m with you on the CT being too late, it will be quite close, and it was quite a waste of opportunity to wait this long before breaking the nap.

However for us peons who had our round excitement ruined by xVx weeks ago, it´s a fine opportunity to flex our longboats.