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1. Unban S|K
2. Remove that silly warning.

In other news, I overslept to work today beacause I'm sick. So I stayed home and played Hitman 2, it was good but waaaay to easy :(

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I tried palying it once but I found it difficult :(

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s|k was banned?

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I just realized, if I stare at the big S in S | K, it kinda moves. Like a snake or something!!

I also did abit of housecleaning today, since I was home from work and all. And I found a camera (my camera) that I thought I lost ages ago! It was great fun, lots of drunk pictures that I had forgotten completely about.

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3) Marv publically apologises for being an immense faggot.

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hilarious

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Haha you suck cock :salute:

edit: i support the post i just had to abuse a community member :(

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why was s|K banned? :(

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You can have whatever you choose
But out here, it's don'ts and do's
So after we finish this mission
Stop snitchin, nigga stop snitchin

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I'll guess at him telling "Marv" in the AOL thread that he could "suck my big long hairy cock". Pretty shit banning reason if that's it :( also who the hell is "Marv" :confused:

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Marv is a member of PA Team as Head of Support. This gives him modding abilities on all forums, although it is generally agreed that these should not be used except where strictly necessary.


s|k took issue with Ramihyn's posting in the aol/google thread (who deleted his own posts that s|k had quoted). s|k then edited his quotes of Ramihyn's posts for comedy+++. These may or may not have alluded to Ramihyn having sexual relations with his family and pets.

Ramihyn complained to Marv (in #forums I think) and hinted at suing Jolt for libelandslander. Since we don't have veteran legal representatives such as SA's Leonard 'J.' Crabs, Marv intervened rather quickly and edited s|k's post to tell him that "these kinds of lies about community members will not be tolerated". s|k then re-edited his post in an 'unfriendly manner' and took it to pm with Marv. Being extremely abusive, he got banned for a week. Little issue can be raised with this ban, s|k himself adimits that from other forums he would have probably received a permanent ban.


One might question why Marv acted so quickly when GD has perfectly competent mods itself, especially with the recent promotion of T&F so that we have some activity again. However, the threat of Jolt being sued for libelandslander is one we should all tremble before, despite the fact that English law applies - which contains numerous defences to actions such as those proposed by Ramihyn (cheers Yahwe).

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one might also question why pateam need mod access for places like gd.
take supermod away, give them mod on the pa sections only.

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Oh man threatening legal action because someone was mean on the Internet :rolleyes: surely you'd get laughed at by any solicitor you went to that especially since real names weren't used just E tags ? Ramihyn would have been better off giving a source for what was a pretty tin foil hat claim about big brother watching us rather than just deleting his post and crying when he was inevitably called on it.

Marv should probably apologise for being as stupid to think that there was any possibility of Jolt actually being sued and over stepping his mark of being a volunteer at a dead Internet game.

Anyway I'm glad s|k will be back, there's not enough posting on these forums and I need something to distract me from writing my dissertation in the days !

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That was at least closer to what happened. Still you did put stuff together into context which didnt happen together, you wrongly cite private messages out of context and you make it appear one lead to another while in fact people didnt even know them at the time. Good way to stirr the whole thing up again while i thought we "should let it go now".

The only person who ever asked about more info about the content regarding what i posted, was you. Your request showed up nearly a day after my posts where erased so i assume you used mod powers to even view them. If i thought you where interested in the topic and not this wannabe "forum war", i would have pasted you a bunch of links and referals to media in a PM.

If you want to know if i usually talk tin foil crap about technical stuff because im just such a complete newbie, how about using the search function to check my posts outside GD where i regularly talked about IT stuff.

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Agreed.

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Only Marv and Appoco have supermod, and as far as I know they rarely use the powers. GD is part of the pa forums, as such it does reflect on the game as such I don;t see why any mod powers should be restricted to pa sections. That said obviously GD should be modded in a less strict manner. In terms of lessons learned from this JJ insists that the GD mods are generally online and as such a quick forums pm can normally bring them to life. As such this will be tried in the first instance from now on.

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if they rarely use them, then theres no urgent need for the powers to be available to them is there.
There are mods for that precise reason - utilise them instead of having another pie for fingers to be placed in.

Yes, GD is hosted in the same place as the pa forums but thats about as connected as they are. GD has little to do with PA, and PA has little to do with GD.
same goes for RP.

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So someone got banned for a week for being abusive. Is this to be a new trend?

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but marv is there to be abused
he doesnt do anything else

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Does GD reflect on the game?

good god.

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A quick note Ramihyn - I was interested in more links to what you posted too, and I knew there were deleted posts from s|k's comments. Neither me nor Hicks can see deleted posts.

I didn't even realise there was any such thing as a forum war, is this a PD/GD war? S|K was being a dick but then a 'report post' would probably have done the trick.
Getting insulted on GD is quite silly.

The way discussions work is that if someone says something you want to challenge then you ask them to back themselves up.
Don't take it as an insult that people don't believe controversial claims that haven't been backed up.

I would be quite interested in what you have to say if you went back into my thread, undeleted your posts and posted your links and referals. Maybe that way we can actually discuss it rather than just 'trust' what you're saying is right/wrong.

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Once again we find that, despite how much homegrown talent we think we have in our mods, PA Team's incidental supermods have "laughably incompetent" down to the ground.

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Incompetence seem to come quite naturally to quite a few people yeah.

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As I explained to JJ when i PM'd him when he came on line that night, the complaint came via #support and he was initially directed to go find a mod and was told about #forums but warned it wasn't an "official" channel. When Ram couldn't seek a mod and came back having just got abuse in
#forums (which I saw - nothing very substantial) I went hunting for a GD mod myself. When I couldn't find one - only then did I make use of my abilaties to make the edit myself. As furball said I then made the ban when s|k decided to take it much further. Perm bans / lengthy ones of that sort on a non PA forum are not for me to make, so thus I made it a 1 week ban, hoping to get the message home.

I totally agree on the fact that GD should be moderated to a lesser standard, but they are on the Planetarion boards and thus represent the comunity and those that run the game. This is why the warning has apeared on the GD forum. That warning was placed there after discussion with JJ.

If this had all stayed within GD then nothing would have happened, but when a member of the comunity complains then action has to be taken, and in the absense of an official GD mod, I took the action myself rather than leave such content there for all to see.

I appologies to those i've upset by banning him, but I stand by the decision I took and won't be pulling the ban.

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Was the libel slander bit true?! btw in my demented mind ramihyn threatening to libelandslander sue PA sounds weirdly psychotic* like ramihyn threatened to BTK PA!!

We need the dramallama! where be starbucks?**

Is Karmulian (sp?) still powerful? if not am i allowed to do 'the song' and get away with it?




*i don't mean you are psychotic ramihyn, don't sue
** where is starbucks?

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Starbucks is on SA.

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if anyone sees him ask him if that nazi/stormtrooper drawing by that ****er on SA who wouldn't finish it was ever finished. It was one of the few times i went on SA and vaguely remember a feeling of 'gimme!' when i saw it. Said feeling has now returned.

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this is all a bit pathetic really.

I think S|K was a bit hot-headed (surprise, surprise... :rolleyes: ) but I genuinely laughed at his initial post which was clearly a joke.

What went on afterwards may have have been adequate reason for a ban but I can't be sure.

I think that Ramihyn also deserves a ban for running off to the mods like a baby and threatening to sue.

S|K shouldn't have been banned, Ramihyn should have sued and we could have all gone to watch the court case (if it ever got that far) and we could call it a GD Meet.

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So, basically, Marv and Ramyhin are both into beasteality, combined with a mild portion of incest?

I thought that was normal around here ...

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tbh if s|k ever annoys you...just call him an army man.

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Stirring things up? Actually, some questions needed to be answered for the benefit of GD users so that this thread didn't carry on for several days. I went on my own knowledge from chatting to s|k and sitting in #forums all day without direct confirmation from you or Marv. I don't think that I was that far off, actually.



Hicks? Mod powers? Please don't make me laugh so hard :(


The only people able to view your deleted posts are JJ, the supermods (wakey, megla, JBG), PA-Team members with supermod access (i.e. Marv) and the GD mods (T&F and DM). Blame one of them for exposing your scheming!

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<3 DM


Such abuse of any forum user will result in a ban, whether temporary or permanent. s|k himself admits that it was deserving of a ban, one which would have been permanent on many other forums. Acting in such a way towards someone who has the power to personally ban you is just asking for trouble!

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I find this hard to believe.

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horn i accuse you of being a twat!


:(

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This is retarded.

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you know what'll happen?

people will get annoyed enough with Jolt that they'll go and make there own forum with games, bookies, blogs, image tags, porn, jokes, news/sports feeds and advice on many different topics.







ohwai

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I can't believe how naive everyone here is being.

The PA forums high command look at the print off for the forums for the past month. Business as usual. Well almost. What's this, posting activity way down on GD? This cannot be tolerated.

Cut to a dark private room, smell of stale urine bitter as an ex lover. The Voice of Authority instructing a minion. Leave now. Go there. You know what to do. The pawn does indeed know its role. Sacrifice for the greater good.

Discussion is subverted by insane ramblings. Is this bait, a colourful lure? As expected the pawn is called on his bullshit. This is the pawn's que.

Complaint. Threat of legal proceedings. Over-reaction by other names.

The Voice of Authority is revealed to the public. Severe punishment for the crime that wasn't. This was the plan from the beginning. Just as a lure can catch a small fish which can be used to catch a bigger fish so it works with people. Controversy abounds. Activity increases. The Voice retires job done, waiting until he's needed again.


TELL ME I'M WRONG!

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He wasn't banned for that, he was banned for railing at Marv in pm as already stated you dumbass.

BUT when he did shoot you in the face, you shouldn't be suprised that it happened. It's like playing with fire - sometimes you get burnt.

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That's not how you do it, this is how you do it

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Common sense would prevent there ever being a first place.


horn, it's never going to be acceptable to be abusive to any poster in the manner in which s|k was. Get over it.

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Do you go to the gym every day horn?

Hardcore :o

Also s|k himself said it deserved a ban so I guess the PM was super rude and nasty!

Not that I really care - I mean, getting angry over the internet isn't :cool:

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:rolleyes:

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i hate s|k i really really hate him but seriosuly unban him.

Internet threatening is so 2005...trust me ;)

tsm

edit:typo

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So, if one of us members of the community complains about your handling of the situation and demands that your ( and the rest of pateams for that matter ) mod access is removed from all non-pa forums - action will be taken?
I think not.
Not only would pateam refuse to hand the access over given theyve become so attached as to how much they can accumulate but theres a simple reason :
not every complaint requires action to be taken.

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I don't understand where Phil's complete hatred of PA Team stems from seeing as he used to be one of them :confused:

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its not a hatred of pateam, its a hatred of stupidity and incompetance :(
just, at present they are rife among them

edit: perhaps they'll learn in time or from experiance not to do stupid things - and perhaps not. Until that happens someone needs to point out when they do something which is so they can try to avoid it in future

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You'll notice most ex-PA team members are the same way. Once you've been in you realise just how incompetent some people are.

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From yahwe's thread that furball linked to:

"c) The comments made or published fact is merely Vulgar Abuse. The vulgar abuse defence would cover things like "you are a spastic". To be vulgar abuse the comment/published words must be improbable. So calling someone a Nazi in an internet forum would be vulgar abuse, unless there was a serious danger that the comments might be taken seriously."

Now I don't know what exactly s|k said but the chances of it going to court are about the same as bill gates going on big brother.

The rest is just shit admin-ing as seen all across the internet.

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I just say as an obscure 3rd division manager said a few years ago.

"When you dont have the money to get in competent people, you live with what you get."

Translated to PA that is: Since no-one wants the jobs, the PA-crew gets filled with all the ones that volunteer.. or the ones who are able to do anything gets overworked, ill and quits..

The saga never ends.