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But at least we went out like champions.
Plus, we're going to Wembly for the only cup the Special One hasn't won in the English competition. Bring on next season! |
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Went out like champions? I'm sorry, you have to put in a winning performance to do that.
Two trophies gone, one to go. |
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We have had an absolutly torrid time with injuries. Robben, Joe Cole, Petr Cech, Carlo Cudicni, John terry have all be out of months at a time (which meant Essien was defending which was a loss to the midfield) and we've still been pushing for all four competitions. Against Arsenal, with 10 men and no Sheva, Drogba, Ashley Cole, Carvhallo, Robben, Ballack, we were fantastic in the second half and didn't give up until the final whistle. Yes, we've not won the league, but it wasn't because the team didn't play like champions. What has been achieved this season has been fantastic. |
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It wasnt until 50/60 minutes you actually looked like you suddenly realised the consequences of being 1-0 down. Oh and every side has had injury problems. |
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It's a shame really that the title had to end like this - I'd have been more satisfied if United won at Stamford Bridge for example or a team won it on the last day as it's been a long time since we had a proper fight to the bitter end for the title. I hope that while the game on wednesday is a dead fixture both sides go at it 110% to prove a point. As for Chelsea, I wouldn't expect them to play expansively for anyone. They'll go for the same pace and power as ever, trying to disrupt United and trying to find killer moves of their own when they are in possession. People might criticise them for playing as they do but they are good at it, it's not boring when they really go for it, so I'm just looking forward to two very different teams getting stuck into each other. Hopefully it won't descend into playfights or someithng. United's ease at putting teams away during that time Chelsea were struggling has told and Chelsea just couldn't keep up and that's precisely why United deserve it. Chelsea have been made to look like a side desperately trying to avoid relegation rather than to win the title. United have done it while playing football that people like to watch so well done to them. The win away at Bolton was a statement of intent but the win at Everton was the most impressive for me, simply because United pulled it out when really they should have lost and it's winning the hard games that make or break a season. All money does is buy you players. It doesn't buy you a team or titles. |
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i can honestly see the game at stanford bridge either being a hell for leather game sd they both try and show how good they are, or the worst limp fish of the season as neither will want to give anything away or pick up any more injuries ahead of the cup, its not going to be one of those 'ok' games of football
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In regards to injuries, Chelsea lost their main defender (and captain) as wel as thie their two best keepers at the same time. Whichever way you look at it, that is a major blow. Especially during the busy Christmas period. Quote:
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Like Man U havn't spent shitlonds on players? Rooney? Ferdinand? Out of that list only 2 cost more than £20 million, one was Sheva (who wouldn't pay that for him) and the other was Drogba (who was the best player all season), so it's not exactly been a waste. |
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yet somehow they have still let in less goals than man utd this year... their problem hasnt truly been defence imho, its been lack of commitment from a comple of big signings, and their midfield simply not being in the form that they have been in the last 2 seasons |
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Drogba has been in far better form then ever before. Sheva has scored a decent amount of goals considering how he started. Ballack hasn't been brilliant, but apart from that, I don't see wher eyou can complain. Even Kalou has scored a decent numbr of goals of his age/number of games plaed. |
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according to the BBC, sheva has scored 4 goals in premiership games this season, thats not a decent amount for a £30 million signing
and im not complaining, as that would mean i care, im simply pointing out the obvious |
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Current first-team players only: Man United Rio Ferdinand - £30m - July 2002 Cristiano Ronaldo - £12.25m - August 2003 note: Beckham/Veron sold for a combined £40m - August 2003 Louis Saha - £12.8m - January 2004 Alan Smith - £7m - May 2004 Wayne Rooney - £20m - August 2004 Edwin Van der Sar - free - June 2005 Nemanja Vidic - £7m - January 2006 Patrice Evra - £5.5m - January 2006 Michael Carrick - £18.6m - July 2006 Chelsea Joe Cole - £6.6m - August 2003 Claude Makelele - £16.6m - September 2003 Petr Cech - £7m - June 2004 Arjen Robben - £12m - July 2004 Paulo Ferreira - £13.2m - July 2004 Didier Drogba - £24m - July 2004 Ricardo Carvalho - £20m - July 2004 Shaun Wright-Phillips - £21m - July 2005 Michael Essien - £24.4m - August 2005 Salomon Kalou - £8m - May 2006 Andrei Shevchenko - £30m - May 2006 Khalid Boulahrouz - £7m - August 2006 Ashley Cole - £5m + Gallas - August 2006 I count 4 players over £20m there, with a few over £10m as well. When Man United have spent big and have been able to afford to. Who remembers Parker, Tiago, Veron, Kezman, Duff, Mutu, Crespo? You didn't make anything even approaching a profit on any of them. |
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Apart from Ferraria and Wright-Phillips, everyone one of those players have been brilliant and well worth the money, even though they were massively over-priced. |
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Chelsea were buying from a position of weakness in the sense that their stature isn't that of Manchester United, everyone knows they are super rich so they were bound to overpay. Not to mention the fact that Chelsea had flair to a ridiculous level which Mourinho ain't interested in so they needed a new team. There's also issue with who is spending what. Even where they have overpaid, I'd say 7 of them (should be pretty obvious) have been worth the money.
Lets not forget that United have a crushing level of income compared to pretty much any club and if clubs were run like businesses they would outspend everyone. The fact is to contend for the title when you aren't a top english club you have to spend like mad to a ridiculous level, cos football at the top level in England is pretty much an oligarchy, where the elite teams have the top positions and the finances are rigged so they benefit more than everyone else. It's arguable that spending to this level is necessary. Blackburn did it when you required far less money, and I'd say every Blackburn fan would say it was worth every penny. |
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I don't care who pays for your players, the point was that you tried to compare yourselves to United, and you failed. Quote:
As for every player being brilliant, what are you going on about? Wright-Phillips, Ferreira, Shevchenko, Kalou, Boulahrouz :crymeariver: And I'm not going to let you forgot the other players you bought. It's 1am and I'm not sure why I'm still awake, but I seem to have time on my hands, so I'll spell it out for you. Glen Johnson - £6m, out on permanent loan Geremi - £7m Damien Duff - £17m, sold for £5m Wayne Bridge - £7m Juan Veron - £15m, released Adrian Mutu - £15.8m, released Hernan Crespo - £16.8m, out on permanent loan Scott Parker - £10m, sold for £6.5m Tiago - £8m, sold for £6.5m Asier Del Horno - £8m, sold for £4.8m Shaun Wright-Phillips - £21m That's hardly the model of economic efficiency. |
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They are paying stupid amounts for market entry to the top table, because it's the only way to get there and Abramovich can afford it. You need success to get revenue, so Chelsea have to build the club backwards.
If that doesn't tell you how absurdly football is structured, nothing can. Abramovich wants his team to be successful so he pays, simple as. Just like Jack Walker paid money beyond reason to see Blackburn lift the title. |
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You simply can't compare the amount spent to any other team's spendings. |
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Likewise, Carrick wasn't for sale. He was key to Spurs' team that nearly made the Champions League last season. The fact is that Man United could afford £18m, so they were able to buy him. Quote:
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I can only say im not looking forward to go over to the UK and watch Luton play fkn Leyton Orient :(
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The only thing I'd take issue with is Shevchenko. He's with the wrong team and the wrong manager and I think he went to Chelsea because Chelsea were the only club who could afford him. If you want to play for Chelsea who are given a role and you've got to play with 110% commitment, which in Chelsea terms make him a passenger, because he's a predatory striker and a very good one at that. If we want to see the best of Shevchenko, he has to leave Chelsea to join a team who play more creative football. People might say "why don't Chelsea play more expansive football" but the fact is they don't want to, they are successful and they are a good side regardless. If he's a Mourinho signing it's baffling. If he's an Abramovich signing then it's no wonder why Chelsea have struggled to accomodate him. Most managers would have left seeing players sold over their head so if Mourinho has stayed regardless, we can either accuse him of being gutless for accepting it or courageous for trying to win regardless of the constraints upon him. |
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It's worse than ours. And that's why we are a massive club. |
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Also you cant on one hand criticise Shev/Ballack then cite them as reasons why you didnt win on the other hand. The only thing you've achieved is an entire year of shit football and a League Cup against arsenal reserves. Quote:
Its not difficult to perform 'backs against the wall' when you buy so many players. Even next week, look at the difference between the Chelsea and Man Utd benches - itll be Cudicini / Cole / Robben / Kalou / Shevchenko vs Kuscak / O'Shea / Fletcher / Richardson / Eagles. Why do you keep giving credit to the favourites? Quote:
Man Utd were lucky Gary Neville didnt get injured at all this year, phew. So why wasnt one signed? Im sure liverpool wouldnt have been 15+ points behind Man Utd/Chelsea if they had a competent left winger but thats not the point either. Quote:
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Oh yeah, hes young, but you dont get to hide behind that at 16m |
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As for Mikel. Could be a good player but considering he's so young, has been kidnapped by his agent and has money beyond his wildest dreams, has received death threats demanding he turn out for Nigeria and been involved in a tug of war between the world's richest clubs, it comes as no shock that he's screwed in the head and has a ridiculous attitude problem. That boy needs a psychotherapist more than he needs to play football. In the cold light of day your analysis of him is spot on Deff, but go easy on him, he's a lad who has been through a lot. |
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They have a squad of 25 bought players; primarily proven at various levels of top class football
Man Utd's 25 includes players like O'Shea, Brown, Eagles, Richardson, Fletcher, who arent first XI players and didnt cost **** all. Should we therefore feel sorry for chelsea, because theyve basically chosen to bypass their youth system? Without Abramovich's money theres a high probability this season we would have seen break out years for Sahar and in particular Scott Sinclair who looked like a real prospect at Plymouth when he was on loan. Just because theyve been unable/unwilling to fill places in their squad with their own youth players doesnt man we should somehow feel sorry for them for having 'just a squad of 25'. Gudjohnsen was an excellent utility and midfield player in his last 2 years at Chelsea, otherwise Barcelona wouldnt have signed him. Lampard cost money before the Chelski era. Its not all about winning, you should only give plaudits for style, especially if you dont even support the team in question. |
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I'm not feeling sorry for them at all. If I said there is no justice Chelsea should have won the league etc etc then I'd be feeling sorry for them. Chelsea are a good team. Accept it. I can watch a Chelsea game and tolerate it, cos they've got good players who are committed and actually look good on the ball. Drogba is worth the attendance alone some games. If you're good at football, you'll be good to watch and you'll win games. Watford play like Chelsea although maybe they are a bit more negative but because their players are shit, you wouldn't want to watch them. They have 25 in their squad because any more and you don't have a real team. Mourinho has made it clear - until you're the finished product like Diarra, you don't get in.
The thing about focussing on style, is that teams aren't just concerned about style, they are about winning and pleasing their own too. Demanding teams play stylishly even if it costs them games is just daft. I prefer teams that play with style but that doesn't make teams like Bolton the enemy, if they are doing well with the way they are playing you can't really blame then can you? I don't see a problem with you being selfish about watching your football but if you don't like certain teams or the look of certain games don't watch them, you aren't a football manager. Even the most expansive brilliant teams are capable of serving up tremendous shit at times; United can demolish someone 3-0 at home with some great skills on the face of it but it's all pathetic because quite often (but not always), the other team is just afraid of them and lets them play instead of make them play, like Blackburn and Everton did. I can't stand games where poorer teams make it worse for themselves by giving good teams space and defending badly because that makes sure that they will get beaten. I don't want to see games dictated by one team being shit. I want games to be won by teams being too good for their opposition, cos that's earning a result. I don't see how anyone can watch these kind of games and take any satisfaction from them. |
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Mikel was ****ed up in his head when he came to Norway (to play for Lyn). But it seems Mourinho have manged to get his ego down to a more normal level.
Chelsea already had a good team when Mourinho got it. Not only Lampard and Terry, but also Makelele, Duff etc. Most mangers would have been very pleased to inherit such a squad. The purchase of that squad was also a reason why Chelsea was nearly bankrupt before Abramovich came inn. |
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Likewise, had Scholes been bought away from Manchester United before the prime of his career, he wouldn't have been at 20m£ tag, not by a longshot. On the other hand, if you'd buy him to make your club succeed at his prime, he'd definately have costed as much as Drogba or any other Abrahamovic-bought. Quote:
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Another point is that despite all their supposed defensive 'problems', Chelsea kept 6 more clean sheets than Man Utd this year.
Thus their problem was not primarily in defence. |
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Having a goal scored against you when you're 3-0 up isn't that much of a problem. Having a goal scored against you when you're 1-0 up is a problem. |
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Hang on All Systems Go, why do you support Chelsea?
Don't you come from Wales or something bizarre? I thought the welsh hate the english? Or am I wrong? |
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Chelsea though seems to be a weird choice of a team to support for someone living in Wales. Manchester United, Liverpool, Arsenal I can understand as these were successful teams pre 2003. But Chelsea, thats just weird. |
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Well at least we agree that he didn't answer my question.
I however won't stoop so low as to insult another posters post in public. |
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I've supported Chelsea all my life. I suppose it's because my father did.
I do come from Wales and there is no loca team to support (Cardiff and Swansea are 20+ miles away and may as well be in Japan. I really couldn't give a shit about hating the Enlgish or any of that nationalistic, artificially concieved bollocks which people call 'patriotism'. Any other aspects of my life you would like to question? Maybe my desire to see the overthrow ofcapitalism? Or what about my new found like of Southern Comfort, perhaps you would like to insinuate that's because of the 'SoCo' effect, which would make me eligable for execution? |
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I just wanted to know why you supported Chelsea that is all.
Only other questions I have in regard to that are: Have you been supporting them all your life? Or has your love for Chelsea been reignited once a certain Russian bought the club. Have you ever been to Stamford Bridge? Do you go regurlarly if you have? Do you feel genuine fans are being priced out from watching Chelsea? Quote:
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I'm not sure why being a lifelong fan of Chelsea is commendable when you take into account that before Abrahamovich the club pretty much stood for BNP-style nationalism.
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'Supporting' teams when they win is shit but you don't really support them, so what does it mean to anyone? |
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that some Chelsea supporters were rascists doesn't mean anything to me. If I wanted to suppot racism I'd support the BNP directly, rather than supporting a team who has some supporters who have racist tendancies. In what way have Chelsea Football Club supported 'BNP-style nationalism'? |
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