[Football] Who would you rather see win the league?
Chelsea or Man Utd.
It has to be man utd simply because they play better football, and even with their prawn sandwich brigade and American owners are a much more palatable lot than Chelski. They have also got to where they are by actually growing as a club rather than just receiving huge artificial investment. Both teams have divers, but chelsea have usurped even arsenal 04 for this. Man utd in their pomp scored a lot of late goals, but not this many, and they usually (unfortunately) deserved to win. I think this is all exemplified by the fact i have man utd and arsenal supporting friends who i go out and support their teams with, and they come out and support liverpool. I dont recall any team being as unpopular as chelsea are just now. |
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I do.
Chelsea ftw! |
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Anyone else than Chelski.
Watching Drogba dive when coming in close contact with a lightly-built teenage r, Fabregas, just takes the piss. |
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My best friend is a rabid Liverpool supporter who although he HATES Chelsea he despises Man U far more. As such he would rather anybody win rather than Man U. So although i like neither i'm gonna have to side with my bezzie mate and say "of the two i would prefer chelsea to win".
(on a personal level i prefer Man U to Chelsea but life's easier if i just side with my friend on something i'm not too fussed about) |
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This is a hard call to make. I've zero affinity to either team. I don’t particularly like either manager or the attitude of the players but most importantly I don’t have much respect for fans.
In retrospect it's impossible to call, so sorry but I’m going to have to dodge the question. |
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Lesser of two evils. Tbh id have to say Chelsea just because i know so many unbearable people who cheer for united. And UNited has spent just as much money on their squad as Chelsea just over a longer period of time.
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the idea of a club having 'two top goalkeepers' is sort of a mini encapsulation of why chelsea are so frustrating.
moron-yo went to a 2-3-3-2 today and they somehow scaffed a goal from that stoner kirkland |
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poor chelsea having to spend 21m of limitless money :(
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As an Arsenal fan who passionately hated Man U for a long time, I still want to see them win it. Anyone but Chelsea, so to speak. I might have hated Man U but I still respected them. I can't say the same for Chelsea.
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I've supported Chelsea for most of my life, and I hope we win the premiership again this season, although watching Drogba and Robben dive just make me feel ashamed of supporting the club, but then again, I like Ronaldo's football but hate him for his diving, I think that Drogba and Robben are way more bearable than Ronaldo.
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Portsmouth.
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We gooners think alike, furball :)
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Yeah, I support Arsenal too and although I've long hated Man Utd, I'd prefer them to win it over Chelsea. It's still difficult to be ecstatic when they score, though.
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Chelsea have no soul, no history, no joy. More so than other premier clubs, their players are only there for the money. I quite like Mourinho though, he's an entertainer even if his team isn't.
It would be good for the game if Chelsea won nothing this year, so Man U are temporarily forgiven :) |
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United are playing with something close to the verve they used to have, although they need a driving force in midfield to really fight chelsea to the finish. They are undoubtedly playing the better football - the goal difference says a lot. Yesterday was their most impressive result, I thought to make Villa look ragged was a pretty good show. At the minute, no side deserves to win the league more than United, and that's nothing to do with how Chelsea are playing. What's to hate about Chelsea? Here to me are the real reasons: They have fans who don't realise that a lot of their history is very similar to a lot of shit south london clubs, although okay, they've won the league once before. United have always attracted bandwagoners, as to be fair, they are one of the biggest clubs in the world, so idiots are bound to congregate but Chelsea, lets face it are a medium size club. They are giving it the big one at how they are such a massive club, but they are not a massive club. Maybe they are as big as Tottenham, purely because of their recent success. But Arsenal, United, Liverpool? Do me a favour. They pay excessive transfer fees - this has caused football to suffer in two senses: the transfer market staying silly (£18M for Carrick, Benfica wanting £12M for Fernandes, Real have just paid over £10M for some young Argie) and Chelsea buying players just to stop other clubs from having them or treating players like trophies. The demise of players like Shevchenko (who does not belong in English football, he is different since he went to Milan), Wright Phillips and players that don't quite make the first team out of lack of football is a big miss for football. At the same time, they are encouraged to stay, because the wages are probably unreal. There's nothing wrong with spending big if the player is worth it but they just aren't. Ticket Prices. I don't care if you are in Chelsea. £50 for a football ticket. It's stunts like this that make other clubs think it's okay to charge too much because they want to 'compete' and joe ordinary fan gets priced out. This is ****ing stupid. Mourinho. Now there's a lot to love about him, but a lot to hate. His barracking of referees, this season especially has been shocking. It's as bad as United were when they started losing their dominance and resorted to hounding down the referee. Maybe like them he will learn and reign it in a bit. He seems to want to provoke people all the time. All this bollocks about hating Chelsea/United is a load of rubbish, people hate them because they are winning and that's just jealousy. There are teams like Liverpool, Newcastle, Tottenham and West Ham who have vast swathes of fans who are so drunk on delusions of grandeur that when you think about it, they are far easier to hate. You know what I mean; fans who want to sack the manager one week then come out of the woodwork and call their team world class the next. It's these kind of spineless wankers we need to eliminate from football; just watch the scousers, when they win they are all out in uniform, when they lose there isn't one to be seen. The same can be said of the geordies or the yids who put fantastic amounts of pressure on their side if they aren't 1-0 up in 20 minutes. No one really mentions any of them enough, probably because they aren't winning. |
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Right... time for a rant. 2 Goalkeepers? Okay fair enough and its shocking the injuries that happened to both of them in that game. But the thing that pissed me off about it was the press instantly saying you were going to buy buffon, or barthez or some shit because its expected that your prick of a manager can go suck off his chairman to get more money to buy the best players. And i dont know how you can talk about Shaun Wright-Phillips as thats another player youve literally ****ed up by not having any chance to play. When he comes on he's one of the players with flair and energy and normally creates a chance for himself and one for someone else in a very short space of time. Now if he was playing for Arsenal (Heaven Forbid) or even somewhere like Bolton/Villa/Newcastle he'd be an instant regular, be 1st team for England and who knows what he could achieve. Now on to being ripped off... Andriy Shevchenko. Doesnt start off very well so he's cut from the side, relegated to the bench and soon he'l be out of the club. Now i wouldnt be surprised to see Luca Toni or Torres come in for Chelsea in January. Just because you simply have a ridiculous amount of money that no team can match. Man Utd spent everything that had for Wayne Rooney who only now is coming really good, Chelsea spent that much on Sheva and will do it again in January/Next summer probably twice. Ruud Van Nistelrooy came to Man Utd and didnt score for like 11 games or something, Sheva has had 9 starts or something similar i believe and has scored and now he's cut? Shows how much of a prick Mourinho truly is. Man Utd to win the league and Chelsea to go and die. Oh on a side note, i laughed my head off when Heskey head butted Carvalho yesterday. Made my xmas weekend. Carvalho is a cheating twat. Every corner/Free kick he has his arms wrapped around players without fail. |
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i have to say i would rather manutd won the league, as it would prove that money isnt everything
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I dislike Chelsea. They play a rubbish and uninteresting brand of football I don't like to see succeed. Utd or Arsenal play the best football in the premiership generally.
Also money is everything in football. It's just that it's more apparent with some teams. |
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Man U over chelsea easily.
It will also piss off those ex-man u fans who went off to start their own club up. |
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On the topic of those two, Luca Toni is Italian, and italians rarely leave the Italian leagues, especially when they're at one of the better clubs or in the national team. People tend to be forgotten when they leave Italy, although how the former Juventus players do in Spain may change that. As for Fernando Torres, he is not worth the hype. He scored fewer goals than Frank Lampard last season, in more games, and he's not having the best of seasons in Madrid at the moment. He'd be much worse than Sheva. Quote:
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On the plus side, at least you show a consistent disregard for the facts of football. Back to Sheva, he does need more time to settle in the English game. Drogba certainly needed it. However, I don't think that Sheva was dropped in order to drop Sheva. It's no hidden secret that Chelsea have played better when operating out of the narrow 4-4-2 that having Drogba, Sheva, Lampard and Ballack in the same team necessitated. They're behind in the title race, so Mourinho didn't have the luxury of being able to wait for people to bed in correctly, and one of the four had to go. Shevchenko was playing the worst, so Shevchenko is the one that went. |
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For a large part of this season we have had Robben on the bench because the midfield is that good and he vastly superior to SWP in every way. So you can moan about how this effects Englands (illusionary) chances of doing anything romotely sucessful but at the end of the day it's all down to SWP. If you're good enough you'll play and he just isn't good enough. Quote:
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"oh no some american has taken over our club" big deal If they were pissed off with the club being a big business primarily aiming to make money in global markets they should have left years ago when every glory fan in the country was supporting them. I seriously doubt that they would have been up in arms about it had Man Utd won the league for the last couple of seasons. |
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I thought this post was typical United fan not from Manchester bollocks.
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If United fans got behind United instead of worrying about opposition that is so obviously inferior (even Chelsea) they'd waltz home with the title moosh. |
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Hmm okay hands up over Ruud Van Nistelrooy. Im sure he didnt score for like 9 games on the bounce when he came, but apparently ive been proven wrong so my apologies.
As for the rest of it im going out in 25mins, been busy all day, and will be busy all tommorow so will reply boxing day. Keep your knives in other peoples backs for now ;) |
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Oh and in regards to the Man Utd fan not from Manc, yeah im not from Manchester, but ive been up to Old Trafford everytime i can, have watched every game on TV this season except the Saturday 3pm kick-offs obviously, and regularly post and read the man utd forums.
And yes you can put your medal on my chest later. |
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So far this season i've been to the moscow game and the blackburn game.
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anyone care to find me man utd and chelsea's wage bills and transfer bills for the last 2/3/4 years? i would put man utd on a par with arsenal and liverpool in terms of spending, although man utd have a far greater ability to make the occational stupid purchase tbh. No one in the entire world is on a par with chelsea though, no one. |
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saying "man united arent about money" is just wrong. Not even Chelsea relativity somehow makes man united anything but a soulless money-grubbing corporate empire. |
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this would be the man utd who at the best period since the premiership started won trophies with players brought up through their own ranks rather than throwing money at the league until they win?
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most of them are companies now - they have to publish their accounts EDIT, also http://www.footballeconomy.com/stats2/eng_arsenal.htm http://www.footballeconomy.com/stats2/eng_chelsea.htm http://www.footballeconomy.com/stats2/eng_liverpool.htm http://www.footballeconomy.com/stats2/eng_manutd.htm for a bit more detail |
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no, but i think that scholes, both nevilles, beckham, butt (?) etc were when they won the treble
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I think trying to characterise man utd as a 'small homebred team against the odds' is impossible, especially given their recent transfer fees. Rooney + Ferdinand + Carrick = £70m+. Even if we think about supposed man utd through and through players, the likes of Giggs were poached from other clubs at youth level (he was a man city boy, as was i think, nicky butt). They hold monopolys at other levels than just transfer fees, not all of which are good for the game.
However, (1) Man utd still 'play by the rules of the game', in that there are obvious deficiencies in their team and their squad that wont neccesarily be papered over as soon as the transfer window is open again. You cant say the same for chelsea - the best chelsea's detractors can hope for is that the players they have flop and they have to put up with them for max, half a season. I doubt someone like Heinze would have lasted as long at chelsea with his mistakes - and i doubt a player like fletcher would even get the CHANCE to develop as a player despite pressure of being at a high profile club. (2) Youth and youth systems. As hinted at before - although they havent had much real success - at least in the last 3 years (which we all hopefully agree is a start of a new era in the premiership, since abramovich took over chelsea) - ferguson has at least tried to bleed in fletcher, richardson, and to a lesser extent bardsley (before being shipped to rangers) rossi (newcastle), and wes brown. Chelsea? No one. For sure, no one. John terry i think is the only one that comes to mind thats been with chelsea his entire career. Both Arsenal and Man Utd use the lesser cup competitions to bleed youth players and such - for chelsea its a chance for swp, cudicini, wayne bridge and other international quality players to actually get a game. (3) The Manager. Oh sure, Fergie is an arrogant mother ****er, and a prick to boot, not talking to the bbc all these years. But he has also assembled pretty much 3 completely seperate teams in his time in charge of Man Utd. He has played attacking football, bled youth, and shown acute transfer and tactical awareness - solskjaer fits in both categories, both in his fee, and his cameos (99?). Mourinho has came in - with a uc and a cl trophy under his belt - but with a fantastic history of leading a bunch of divers to success. Hes had to demonstrate NO transfer awareness given that he's been allowed a blank chequebook - and has wasted a shit load of money. Tactics wise, chelsea have been found lacking on several occasions and sheer brute force has won them games because of the quality of player they have, rather than the way he has them playing. He has been with chelsea only while the going is good - whereas ferguson has been close to the sack and earned his position as untouchable. these are three of the biggest reasons off the top of my head. |
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im very glad you quoted my whole post and split it up into sections to reply to not a single part of it.
With Terry out indefinitely Chelsea will undoubtably buy a center half. And if we're talking about stealing players, you might want to consider the Jon Obi Mikel case. I am basing these statements on what we know about chelsea and how much time and patience they have given to players. I dont expect brilliant talent all the time but i havent seen a single player from chelseas youth system. By 'brute force' i mean, if you have players of unbelievable calibre as chelsea do, formations and tactics are very much secondary. |
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--- by 'dealing with four points' you basically put a one sentence reply. you are actually probably pretty lucky i even bother to reply to you again given your argument position can be summed up as 'no why?'. 'no evidence to suggest' chelsea will sign a replacement center half for their injured captain? oh please. they had an entire summer to find a 4th center half, given that robert huth leaving in the summer wasnt exactly 'unexpected'. my point is that the weaknesses in man utd's team will remain until the end of the season at least, you cant say the same for definite about chelseas. As much as i love larsson, youd have to say that a 2 month loan signing from the mighty helsingborgs is what you might call 'patchwork'. Swp, Crespo, Kezman, Duff, Johnson. To a lesser extent look at the amount of players who havent been as successful as maybe would have been thought and have been usurped by more expensive signings - such as Bridge. Last week when chelsea stole the 3-2 win away at wigan they went to basically a 3-2-3-2 formation with no shape or direction, and it worked, due to nothing more than the sheer quality of their players. Its not exactly chess when you have that attacking bench to play with - "o shit im a goal down lets put on kalou/sheva/swp/robben/jcole" or whoever. Man utd and arsenal's options are very much more limited, forcing them to be more tactical with their subsitutions. If rooney/ronaldo/saha/giggs are all on the field, solskjaer is pretty much their only real dangerous player they can throw on. Class act that he is, hes reasonably old, and stays about through legend status. Its not like chelsea still have zola waiting in the wings. The best thing moronyo has done for chelski is install a siege mentality, usually without warrant. A few final notes. The reason so many neutral fans or arsenal/liverpool/whoever fans are supporting their traditional rivals man utd rather than chelsea is reasonably simple. a/ Chelsea dont have a lot of class about how they act on or off the field. The cole, gallas, mikel sagas spring to mind - abramovich is a dislikeable human being far away from the triviality of football, and mourinho, of course. Gallas summed it up best after chelsea talked trash about him by saying simply 'all that money, and still, no class'. b/ Man Utd (and Arsenal) still play immeasurably better football. Look at the goal differences. |
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