Christmas round: heated debate
 

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the emo of being attacked in a xmas round :O

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The glory of having an alliance of 50+ in an xmas round.

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It's clearly important enough to rally together an 'unofficial' alliance of over 7 galaxies because apparently playing solo is just too much like hard work for some people.

Besides, I've been attacked a few times this Christmas round, and you of all people should know that I really don't ever care about my planet - not even in a "real" round. As I've said, it's more about having gone out of your way to help somebody, and then having them throw it back at you by doing something shitty and very unfestivelike!!!!

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seems pretty much like having an alliance of 50+ in a normal round?

People playing together should hardly come as a shock.

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I wish it were otherwise, but... I agree with Wish.

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Well, if there are 100 people playing somewhat actively in the winter round then 50 of the most active ones joining up is just stupid. Wonder what will happen once their targetpool runs out in about 2-3 days tho.

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Wait, are you people talking about the cluster alliance? :D

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The idea was to have galaxies fighting each other. With clusters trying to organise themselves for defense (possibly attacks).
I was sure there would be people unable to play as intended. Just too difficult for them, they need babysitting and the ability to bash/bully others. Can't launch without 3 teamups on 4 waves... PA players at their lamest.

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qft.

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**** "playing as intended". If you cannot innovate, you lose.

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To quote some famous general who's name a I forget "No battle plan survives contact with the enemy." Or in the case of PA no PA Team game plan survives contact with the player base, and long may it be so!

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Von Moltke Senior afaik.

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The idea of "no alliance" was to try without alliances... if the innovation is to still create alliances... I'm lost.

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The classic mistake of confusing "tags" with "alliances". What you thought you were getting was a round for a competition of teams of 8 players. What you actually got was a round without alliance defence.

The reason people play together this round is no different from why people started playing together in round 1: it works. I would almost go as far as to say "it's the natural order of things".

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im not even playing, free time ftw!

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This round (xmas) has been great Ive mingled with folk in my cluster ... that I wouldn't have spoken to in a normal round.

-edit on topic

good to see folk in CT wanting to raise their game

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Does everyone share the feeling that clusters are good? Because, you know, I do, and if we all think so...

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Not if we see those "support planets" on mass with eta advantages
Lets be crystal on that matter.

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Can we also be clear that it wasn't a "cluster alliance that hit 5:4", there were galaxies represented from 3 different clusters. Just sayin'!

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can we also be clear kenny, cluster alliance has fck all to do with ct, go cry somewhere else!!

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Who's crying? gm you really are shit at posting, could you like... stop? I was simply clearing up a discrepancy in the thread. And besides, what you posted was misleading. You're right, CT aren't involved in a cluster alliance - but as I'd literally just said - it wasn't a cluster alliance and members of CT were very much involved.

That there isn't a complaint, that's just stating the facts. Facts with which you cannot (or at least should not) try arguing with, or you'll make yourself look pretty stupid. Which would be a real shame Gavin in a thread I designed to make CT look better!

If you can't discuss anything without basing your entire post around passive aggressive quips, kindly gtfo the internets.

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lol

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Oooh, solid comeback!

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so tell us then, how did you design this thread when your first post was after your emo at joopster?

you blame ct because members of ct were involved in attacking you, now ct isnt playing so does that mean we should blame nd apprime asc too. i know you have to distance yourself from ct to be the new asc boy but surly you could do it with some dignity.

cut out the emo, abuse and insults and just get on with it!

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haha. kenny got owned by gm.

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Clusters are good in a 'no alliance' environment.
Next round without alliances but with clusters, I sign up.

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You'll maybe want to speak to aNgRyDuCk as, whilst not entirely unlike you not to know all the facts before talking, I told him he needed to put something on Alliance Discussions (mostly because your recruitment thread was utter bollocks) and also wrote the OP for him. We then discussed for half an hour or so tweaking it to sounds more 'duckish'.

I don't blame CT as a group; I blame the ones involved (which included regular CT members, and an HC too). Which, by the way, you were not one of. So why you feel the need to post I don't know.

My point remains the same as it ever was. I went out of my way to help CT (even after being accepted into Asc) as I wanted you guys to do well this round. I wrote the OP to this thread, I was doing recruitment for you. Hmm, maybe 'campaigning' is a better word, but still. I also spent an afternoon pissing about with an old pc that had your original R29 recruitment video on it, editing it and re-releasing it for R40. After all of which, a contingent from CT (irrespective of how big or 'officially involved' they were) partook in what was a fairly lame attack. It just wasn't a very nice 'thank you', tis all.

Can you please stop using the word 'crying' when this is clearly nothing more than 'discussion'. I know you have a limited vocabulary/IQ, but there really is no excuse for posting quite THAT poor.

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Kenny, our gal has 8 people of CT in it, the rest are random cluster peeps. Dont know about other gals out of cluster. That had to be just a bad day for your gal...

Our gal had incs of 4 different clusters... shit happens, also in normal game, when 2 alliances could raid your gal :S

Stop with your crying pls...

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Is 'crying' the only word they teach you guys at the Conspiracy School for the Mentally Afflicted?

Also how is it even possible that you're failing to actually understand what my point is? It's not that I got attacked, it's the fact that certain individuals (yourself included) happen to hit the gal after I'd gone out of my way to help you out.

How many different ways do I need to say it before you people actually get it?!

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Your gal was just a random gal, we are hitting different gals every night...
This had nothing to do with you OR any other people in that gal...

Just to let you know.

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Oh

and btw have a nice X-mas :)

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uh la la la

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Epic.

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Apparently some of us were stupid enough to think that the fact there was no tags meant that alliances would be quite limited. It was a fun prospect to consider going all in with 7 other mates and competing against other groups of 8. In a round of this size, when 50+ fleets (as, per Draki, in 8:3's case) or even more (as in 5:4's case) it kind of ruins the round. I don't have a huge problem with alliances forming but I had 7 waves land on me. That's f*cking ridiculous.

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again off topic, why not start a thread

Re: Christmas round: heated debate
 

Well here it is, merry Christmas, everybody's having fun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A8KT365wlA

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Just to clarify it was 70+ fleets that hit 8:3, Which is Pretty frustrating in a "NO" alliance round.... I know becasue I was one of them :confused:

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Excellent point man, every well thought out plan by PA team is usually nerfed when its hits the playerbase!

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The no alliance system, which is basically 8man tags shows what happends if you were to reduce the alliance limit to 20-30 people. It takes the skill out of the game, as you can easily overwelm a target with pure numbers in one attack where there is pretty much no defence or strategy to stop it (other than nap'ing the universe).

The inherent problem with it is that its the optimum strategy to setup a big BG even though you cant defend each other, so you can pwn the rest of the universe with ease. However, if the other side is organised.. they can start to pwn them back.

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there is no such thing as a 'no alliance rounds'. People play together for other reasons than 'alliance' wins, like comradery and 'combined power'. Just because there are no ingame defence advantages or actual tags doesn't mean there are no other advantages to playing together. The reason the game supports alliances ingame was a result of people forming up in alliances, not the other way around.

The only thing that was achieved in this mini round was to give back a planet or galaxy win the respect it deserves. Over the course of the past 30 rounds the focus gradually slided towards alliance wins, with certain major alliances not even caring for top planet or top galaxy anymore.

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Even alliance limits of 80 can take skill out of the game. In the end it is a numbers game, if you can get an overwhelming number of players to play together in a solidly organised manner you take the win. The delicate art of the PATeam is to set the alliance limit on a number that 'is balanced with the quantity of players'. Imho they have done so rather well over the past few rounds. However if anyone can get a solid 'block' of 3 full tags setup(1 'elite' tag and 2 support tags) for a roudn they'll still take win most probably.

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Er whats a cluster alliance? :D
What I love about this round is that you had to mingle with other players who are in the same cluster as you that wouldn't normally speak to / didnt know.

btw Kennys gal when yous get big inc .... xxxxing 3 fleet def each other like the last time my gal got heavy incs. you'll be surprised how many waves you stop. (also looks good on your sandmans gal page)

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Hi Kenny.

You got one of those days, m8?

Chill out my man.. It is the Christmas round! And appreciation is teh best if it is distributed selectively in my opinion. Do you agree?

I think AD will appreciate your effort :) And Joopster.. be kind to him please. If I know someone in PA who is teh superb example of innocence it is him!

Finally, this is PA: people tend to clutter and overwhelm the strongest party... nothing new there. I don't think those CT people purposefully attacked you. They just saw a yummy target! ;)

Have a great Christmas and relax!

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People like to split hairs to justify themselves. Bottomline is the spirit of this round was to try to fight 8 vs 8 in priv gals with no allies.
I'm sure some of us signed up in this perspective , with the idea of testing that setup and basically have fun with somwthing different.
Those who can't compete that way have to mass their numbers, i'm more sad for them and for this special round. It could have been a nice change, in the end it's the same shit.
There was 2 ways to enter this round:
The Nobles way, respecting the spirit
The No balls way, resorting to alliances

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lol...

if someone form together and pwn you, form something and go back at them.

Seriously, did ANYONE think it would be 8people playing solo? no one working together, everyone randomly hitting something?

Great fun lategame guys. Sure would be easy to roid a big gal if no one were allowed to work together to take out a big gal. Should everyone keep farming the shitgals / randoms all round? That sounds like great fun to me.


Also, afaik ( I dont really know too much whats going on ) there are more than 1 "group" of people attacking together this round? So it can actually get a bit interesting?

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I think there was an inkling it might happen Wishy i think ppl just hoped that for once ppl might try and play in the spirit it was intended and not be eternal ruiners!!

This is sadly the reason why the game is dying and wont recover cos too many ppl are out to ruin the overall experience for the masses

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Yeah, people trying to win is really ruining the game.

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Your smart ass remarks continue to really improve the thread. How you're a moderator continues to dumbfound me.

Obviously, the point that many people are making is that the zerg groups taking out everyone kind of ruins the round for some people. Is it illegal? Absolutely not. Does it happen EVERY ROUND to some extent? Absolutely. Does that mean people aren't going to get frustrated? No. Sorry, I didn't plan on playing in a huge group with 50+ people because I figured cluster alliances would be the extent of the cooperation in the round. I guess that was a total lack of foresight by myself (and perhaps my gal) but I WOULD, at some point, enjoy seeing a round where skill played some sort of aspect in determining a winner.

A boy can dream I guess.

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nolezy is right. It would be nice to see a round where actual skill and not ability to gather huge numbers and swamp ppl was the order of the day. Mz you are right to say that ppl want to win but its having honour in how you do it taht should mean something