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I'd have given him one if he were on this forum, he most probably didnt write that speach but he certainly read it like he meant it !

And the way he jumped in with emphatic NO NO's when the crowd booed Obama's name looked like it came from the heart.

Hes certainly gained a bit of respect in my eyes, to be that magnamous in defeat, he probably knew like most of us that he had lost a while back, but the strength of support in that speach for his opponent was truly impressive.

I havent checked on you tube if its there yet, but do listen to the whole thing and look at his eyes while hes doing it, that man believed what he was saying !

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I laughed a bit at the "[Americans] never hide from history" thing.

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I think McCain would have done a lot better if he never hired that Karl Rove apprentice and made that horrible choice for that Sarah Palin woman. Choices choices...

McCain himself is a charming, polite, and good man imo. But he didn't stand a chance this time.

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I just laughed at Obama's constant references to Bob the Builder in his victory speech.

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Excellent opinion. I completely agree. I wish McCain would have asked Mike Huckabee. Or Rudy Guiliani. Sarah Palin was so awful I couldn't stand it.

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palin was a good choice for him. they just shouldn't have let her talk as much. the only serious mistake mccain made was in not opposing the bailout.

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yes.

you are definitely right there.

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yeah i know man

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meh, IMO the better man won.

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A green blob for not acting like a totally rubbish human being?

Only in America!

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To add insult to injury, I doubt she will go gracefully back to Alaska and stfu. :(

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I very much doubt any Republican candidate would have won this election, as the results fairly well proved.

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I'm not sure that's true. A McCain/Lieberman ticket would have been much more attractive to the centrists that Palin's simplistic, Christian dogmatology repulsed. In my view the Republicans lost the centre to secure the far right, votes they really should have been able to count on anyway.

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It's exactly that kind of populist bullshit that disgusts me. If you have an ideology, profile yourself based on that ideology. If people vote for you, that's good. If not, tough luck. More people would have faith in their government if it primarily consisted of people who actually believed in what they did, rather than people who would do anything in order to gain power.

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The only Republican who conceivably had a chance was Ron Paul, who was actually the only real Republican. You can't get any better than Obama to awaken a party that's been long off-base. And despite his emotional pimping, and his skin color, Obama will be realized no differently than Bush or McCain would be toward a one-world establishment.

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maybe the electorate should stop voting those kinds of people in then. the fact they so consistently do, and in such overwhelming numbers, means that any politician seriously hoping to become president can't infact profile themselves based on anything other than populist rubbish.

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Well that is the inherent problem of political parties. IF you have a party system, and that invariably means a two party system, then the parties must position themselves or simply not get elected.

IF one party does not and hence becomes unelectable then you have a one party state (which we have seen is not good - see South Africa).

There is no easy answer. There is not a country that I can think of which is actually ready to abandon a party system. Now I am not a negative person - perhaps one day... Perhaps that is the next step of our development towards perfect government.

But for now I'm afraid I must support Winnie's view that what we have is the best of a bad lot. Thomas Jefferson saw how party politics was wrong but even he acceded to it in the end.

The best comfort is that change is inevitable (provided civilisation remains stable)

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The two party system is not the only party system. Many countries in continental Europe have a multi-party system in which multiple parties work together to form coalition governments. I admit that much of the diversity of these parties is lost in the process of forming a government, but at least the opportunity exists for new parties to build up popular support.

It could be argued that a third party president in the USA would even be a bad thing, due to the lack of experience outside the two major parties.

Ah, to laugh at Nader; such good times.

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McCain was effectively doomed from the start. He was a man who most Republicans didn't really like very much, as he wasn't in favour of executing gays and all the rest. There was no enthusiasm for McCain from anyone on his side.

That meant that McCain had to spend an inordinate amount of time and moral prostitution in trying to take them with him, as in the meanwhile the rest of the population became increasingly spectical of the 'Obama is a Muslim terrorist Communist ******' line which McCain ran to stir up base support, along with him chosing Palin for the same reason. Somehow McCain never really found any argument or language to appeal to the centre ground.

To top it all off, Obama spent the entirety of the campaign pandering to whatever he felt he had to do with respect to the centre ground in order to be elected.

Add to that the fact that Obama had a brilliant campaign team, get out the vote operation, and the fact that McCain couldn't run a campaign to save his life and it was not a good year to be John McCain.

It was a sloppily-run, crappy, directionless campaign and from an electoral darwinist point of view it certainly deserved to lose.

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btw - McCain looked absolutely awful when he was making the concession speech. He was literally white. Chalk/flour-white. Pre-cancer white.

I don't know if that is just usual campaign fatique or whether he might actually have cancer again, but frankly I wonder what his chances of living to contest his seat in 2010 are at this stage. I would say 'not good'.