Worst Alliance EVA!!
Ok, so let me explain firstly. I was going to play in Osiris this round, as last round i played with them and it was fun etc. However pre round dimentus kicked me. So fair enough etc, I really didn't know where to go. I knew Kenny and co were starting a new/decent alliance so I thought what the heck, spoke to Kenny and I was in. On arrival I kind of liked it apart from the fact loads of subh naabs were allowed in and Ali was hcing but meh, they all did okish as expected.
What were the completely awful/shocking things about NFI which I didn't like? Kenny sent rediculous mails out daily boring the hell out of me. I eventually got these changed to bullet points which served a much more useful purpose. Letting people in just for the sake of having there big fleets. These people i cannot stand and will never play with again. Being the utterly most boring alliance EVER!! seriously napping napping napping, not the way I play. Finally showing so much disrespect in breaking the NAP with ND. Shows they're the same breed of Asc and APP, horrible cu*ts. On the plus!!! Sun_Tzu and Lordn +1 nolez +1 csillag +1 (will pm for pics later) to NFI members- drop tag so ND can win!!!! :salute: |
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You left tag moments before I was going to kick you (and two hours before I declared I was going to kick you at the final tick anyway).
You're a twat. That's all there is to it. Why you think I'd take any of your criticisms seriously I don't know. |
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Leaving tag just when you can't be destroyed anymore = classy :D
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Another thing AD is not: a place where you can mindlessly flame the living daylight out of everyone.
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What a wonderful thread that in no way makes me wish I'd never heard of the internet.
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Are you insane? :o |
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Also, napping 3 alliances (of which only two simultaneously at any given point) isn't a lot compared to some/most other rounds, the only shame in it was that we napped the one alliance that could have been a competitor for #1. But yea I can see why you like wartime more, since you were never online when the actual incs came. edit: 17 ticks of having 3 naps due to cooldown period! |
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Sure, Apprime had a few controversial NAPs like the one with Asc r37, the one with ND round 37, and with Vision r36. - Apprime had no cooldown period with Asc r37 because it was assumed that it would last through the round. They surprisingly refused to work with us while we were getting it up the bum from a block, and all our members wanted to break the nap and attack Asc for this. - Apprime somehow got the blame for breaking the NAP with ND in round 37, purely because of a large block spilling propaganda all over. The cooldown period was 48 hours, but ND broke the nap and attacked us the following night because 1 Apprime member attacked a ND planet who wasnt in our intel. The fleet was recalled but ND cried out that the NAP was broken, so they conveniently launched on us. - in r36, Apprime was hunting top galaxies and alliances in an attempt to prevent stagnation. Lacking numbers to play for alliance win, but thats no excuse to roid random galaxies (hello universe). We went openly to war against pretty much anyone who wanted to, and we stayed friendly to Vision. We hit top galaxies every night and our agreement with vision was that we would not target them, but if they had planets in our raids on top gals, they would get incs. The agreement was mutual so we recieved incs from Vision aswell. However one weekend we did not set up a raid because people wanted a morning raid instead, so we scanned a fat gal in the morning and launched around 0800 gametime. The gal was holding 1 vision member who happened to be their second largest planet, with a horrible horrible fleetcomposition which made it stupidly easy to hit him with most of our fleets. He was 5-waved and recieved close to no def so we roided him. He also happened to be a "prominent" member and it resulted in Vision dropping our agreement and hitting us with a block. Apprime had no intentions to break the agreement but because of this particular member it was hyped up and used as an excuse to hit us. Thats the only 3 episodes i can remember created a lot of attention and discussions and in none of those we could have acted any different. Whenever they are being referred to though, its examples of how dirty Apprime plays. Jealousy because we acheived something? The same goes for Ascendancy as far as i know, i cant remember any broken agreements for as long as i played with and against them. |
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There was the Dimentus thing, which was a blatant and intentional breach of the NAP. Beyond that, I can't think of anything either, though I must admit that I'm very bad at remembering PA history.
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It also put Dedin wide open for incs himself, with all his available allydef outside his tag. If they had exploited that instead of deffing, now that would be hilarious! |
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Didn't we launch fi/co, so they couldn't retal? I'm not sure. :(
Well this got off-topic fast! |
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-We grounded because we had multiple alliances hitting us and thats the sensible thing to do. You refusing to hit the opposition was a clear intention that you didnt want to work with us so we broke it and attacked you. wtf did you expect!?! -About today it was clearly just for fun, you are just "butthurt" because it was your gal. Remember round 36 attack on dimentus anyone? well this is our version! :D |
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Most Asc members dropped tag at xx:58, and launched at xx:59 There was no 'window of opportunity' it was completely out of the blue. :down: |
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We were terrible that round due to the fact our activity was so bad but to describe us as a useless ally when your contribution consisted of screwing up the block and then backstabbing us because we weren't helping you enough is ****ing hilarious. |
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Agreed then. We were both useless. The rational thing to do when being outnumbered is ofc to take care of ones allies, but we dont like that boring way of thinking so the reasonable thing to do for the average Apprime member was to charge heads first into the only friendly alliance. The luls!
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Personally i think NFI did nice job and i loved the morning raids. Those were awesome in many ways. But it seems that all the nice things are vanished behind all this crap some people were able to create around the alliance. |
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Okay any discussion of Ascendancy and Apprime's NAP without reference to why it's relevant to NFI is offtopic. Anything excessively personal without a planetarion-based point attached to it will be removed. I don't mind you all hating each other, but you could at least be civil within the rules of engagement we've handily provided for you over the ages. Thanks.
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Planetarion is serious business.
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Even though I am extremely affectionate toward ND, I really don't understand all the hate for NFI this round. With the exception of some unnecessary and utterly dickish forum posts, they seem to have played the perfect round.
The whole vacation mode thing at the end (from a non players perspective) was hilarious and very cool indeed. The bottom line for me is: NFI won. There doesn't seem any evidence there was cheating. What they did "in game" is FULLY JUSTIFIED by the win. The only possible black marks on their round were a couple of cheesy posts on the forums (and that was really just sadly misplaced egomania) and what alliance lacks at least one person with a hilariously overinflated opinion of themself? I think what NFI should learn from this round, is that if you are going to win anyway, there is absolutely no need to justify your actions on the forums if you suspect they might piss off some other players. The chances are that doing so will just make you look bad. |
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If I was NFI I'd have defended my alliance on the forum by simply stating there was nothing to justify and if I wanted to win on every possible scale, then it was my decision to make and no-one elses. It would have caused quite a bit of uproar but I can't see an outcome where the other side don't start looking a bit bitter because they lost. Kenny's attempted justification a bit of an error but ultimately, not a very costly one beyond the embarassment he drew upon NFI. If you're winning and everything in your public relations goes to shit, be shameless! |
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Anyone who thinks NFI would have won without my input clearly has their head shoved so far up their own ass they're walking around like a self-perpetuating glove puppet.
Kafir, you really do enjoy being above your own station, don't you? :rolleyes: edit: Reese ftw. |
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(I could've been so inactive I never noticed he left in the round) But pre-round leaving Asc to play in a different tag and being open about it has never been really 'bad'. |
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Maybe everyone else aren't the ones with their head in up their butt. |
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Was something about not calcing an attack before recalling and him saying "I would finish t10? if I were NFI or App" Something over nothing really. |
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proposition 767 (31 days old): kick draki. mz commented '<@draki> iam pretty sure i could be top 3 if i would be in app or nfi <@draki> so dont push me.. i dont give a shit <@mz> is that a threat? <@draki> yes'. This prop expired 31 days ago. You are not currently voting on this proposition.
He newdaddied himself seconds after I started the kick prop. This was what, tick 500 or so? |
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It's a lot easier to criticise somebody for saying the things you want them to, rather than what was actually said. I am suggesting that my input in both creating the alliance (which wouldn't have happened had I not been involved) and recruiting for the alliance (which put us in a strong position to take the roundwin) and then doing man-management for the duration of the round was crucial in the final outcome. I'm not being so arrogant as to say that it was exclusively because of this input that we won, but suggesting that without it we wouldn't have. It's like NFI was a big ol' machine with several cogs. All I'm saying is that I was an important cog!! |
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if he was NFI or APP?!. Its insulting to Apprimes standards that a player like Draki thinks he would do well in Apprime. He can only do well in a round like this, in an alliance like NFI and this prop vote speaks for itself! Even if he was top3 in App somehow, someone with their heads on the right place would kick him out and put him up on allyraid, without a prop vote!
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In fairness to draki I don't really blame him at all. He wanted to play with an active ally and we weren't. So he left. We didn't really have any pecular affiiliation and my only gripe would be that I've always thought leaving tag to join another midround makes you a ****ing faggot.
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As opposed to thinking I was absolutely unique and nobody else ever would have the ability to what I did? No, that's not where my mind's at, Linkie. NFI won because I contributed. I did this over one round, and my alliance won. Given that alliances have been winning rounds prior to R38 in which I wasn't involved I'd assume I'm not the only person capable of doing my job.
I would say though that a lot of people joined NFI specifically because was leading it. I'd also then say that some people specifically didn't join for the same reason! HC'ing "ability" comes down to experience and time available to invest in managing the people you've recruited. I invested a lot of time in managing the people in the alliance and I'm proud of the response. I couldn't have done Patrikc or LordN's job, but then LordN couldn't have done my job and Patrikc lacked the time to invest in the latter stages of the round. |
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To generalize to the extent of "because I think this, it must mean everyone else thinks this" makes you a bit of a ****. |
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I'm glad you didn't think it was a solo effort on your part.
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