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Kurashima 22 Sep 2005 20:50

It Has to be said, its youre a muslim, youre praising allah like never before
 
Following the confirmed deaths of 1,036 americans after the disaster that was Hurricane Katrina, the latest hurricane has now formed up to category 5 (though may be dropped to 4 shortly, reports vary) and is heading , well, straight for the heart of Bush country. (predicted towns include Corpus Christi and Galveston, Texas, and theres a real possibilty of a hit in Houston).

If youre Muslim , when you manage to stop laughing, you must be thinking "Hang on, This guy stayed in power because those in the bible belt voted for his religious leanings, and **** me, their god has forsaken them and given them the single worst hurricanes to hit their country in 200 years".

You gotta ask, will he bring the troops home if this thing scores a direct hit on a major city? I mean, the cost of rebuilding new orleans is huge, but imagine the cost of rebuilding Houston. And i have serious doubts as to whether he can find the cash needed to do that and fund an overseas war. And you can bet your ass that if the devastation to Texas is on a remotely similar scale, he cannot be seen to do anything except act immediately and decisively on this one. Else his Presidency, and his parties chances at the next election, will be deader than disco!

Kurashima 22 Sep 2005 20:50

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4269994.stm

for those wanting to know what its predicted path is.

Reidy 22 Sep 2005 20:53

Re: It Has to be said, its youre a muslim, youre praising allah like never before
 
its a shame they cant figure out some way of turning the wind/tide energy into useful power

All Systems Go 22 Sep 2005 21:06

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Instead of rebuilding the cities just build two giant wind turbines.

Kurashima 22 Sep 2005 21:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by All Systems Go
Instead of rebuilding the cities just build two giant wind turbines.

BRILLIANCE!

Find me an engineering team that can build a wind turbine capable of harnessing 150mph winds in the space of 48 hours. And while theyre at it, can they rebuild the twin towers before a week on Thursday, I have a friend whos going to New York, and he always wanted to see them, but thinks hes never going to have that chance now.

Texan 22 Sep 2005 21:19

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Bush still has three years to decide the answer is ICBMs at strategic locations in the Middle East. Let's hope the money does not run out to continue fighting terrorists. I think Bush is not willing to lose. If that means he has to use ICMBs, he probably will and damn the consequences. It's not like he is expecting to be re-elected.

Kurashima 22 Sep 2005 21:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Texan
Bush still has three years to decide the answer is ICBMs at strategic locations in the Middle East. Let's hope the money does not run out to continue fighting terrorists. I think Bush is not willing to lose. If that means he has to use ICMBs, he probably will and damn the consequences. It's not like he is expecting to be re-elected.

Im pretty sure your constitution says he cant be re-elected, although hes developing a nasty god complex to the point where hes even having a go at that.

Someone in his party is surely going to take him to one side eventually and say "Look , we have to get someone else elected after you go back to hunting and fishing Dubbya, so its maybe time to bring the boys back to a heroes welcome and start saying "We Won, its all over" etc etc"

Expect a shitload of flagwaving in 12 months time as he starts looking for a successor.

s|k 22 Sep 2005 21:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Texan
damn the consequences.

Yes, which would be you and everyone else here losing their lives from the imminent Russian, Chinese, and French nuclear retaliation.

All Systems Go 22 Sep 2005 21:26

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I predict Hilary Clinton then Jeb, let's see how long the pattern can keep going.

Texan 22 Sep 2005 21:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by s|k
Yes, which would be you and everyone else here losing their lives from the imminent Russian, Chinese, and French nuclear retaliation.

Do you think the Russians, Chinese and French would retaliate against the United States if it meant everyone in the world would die from the resulting nuclear winter?

All Systems Go 22 Sep 2005 21:34

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the Russians would go to lanuch their missiles and find them stripped for scrap iron.
the Chinese are filthly Godless Communists , of couse they would kill everyone.
the French; Freedom Fries, enough said.

Vaio 22 Sep 2005 21:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurashima
BRILLIANCE!

Find me an engineering team that can build a wind turbine capable of harnessing 150mph winds in the space of 48 hours. And while theyre at it, can they rebuild the twin towers before a week on Thursday, I have a friend whos going to New York, and he always wanted to see them, but thinks hes never going to have that chance now.

Bob The Builder could.

Texan 22 Sep 2005 21:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurashima
Im pretty sure your constitution says he cant be re-elected, although hes developing a nasty god complex to the point where hes even having a go at that.

Someone in his party is surely going to take him to one side eventually and say "Look , we have to get someone else elected after you go back to hunting and fishing Dubbya, so its maybe time to bring the boys back to a heroes welcome and start saying "We Won, its all over" etc etc"

Expect a shitload of flagwaving in 12 months time as he starts looking for a successor.

I think that is probably not the exact plan, but I'm sure Bush does not want to keep keep troop levels in Iraq at 130k for decades as the United States did in Germany and Japan under previous leaders.

Arachnidman 22 Sep 2005 21:40

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Maybe Islam Is the one true religion?...


shit.

Kurashima 22 Sep 2005 21:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Vaio
Bob The Builder could.

He cant fix this anymore than he could fix the floods in Carlisle.

PS : If youre living in Carlisle now, youre still ****ed after the floods two years ago, but you must be pissing yourself at the yanks.

Kurashima 22 Sep 2005 21:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Arachnidman
Maybe Islam Is the one true religion?...


shit.

Im ok , im a lapsed catholic / atheist.

Texan 22 Sep 2005 22:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by s|k
Yes, which would be you and everyone else here losing their lives from the imminent Russian, Chinese, and French nuclear retaliation.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Anonymous
The idea of a nuclear winter is slightly over your head, it would seem. A retaliation on the scale we are talking would cause one to last about 4 years perhaps. Not enough to kill off the human population, im afraid.

I'm not sure how everyone on this forum would die from the initial attack and from retaliation by Russia, China and France if it was not from nuclear winter.

JonnyBGood 22 Sep 2005 22:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Texan
Bush still has three years to decide the answer is ICBMs at strategic locations in the Middle East. Let's hope the money does not run out to continue fighting terrorists. I think Bush is not willing to lose. If that means he has to use ICMBs, he probably will and damn the consequences. It's not like he is expecting to be re-elected.

What?


Also we're going to be pretty ****ed if we can't grow crops for four years dude. Well about 5 billion will be anyways.

Vaio 22 Sep 2005 22:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurashima
He cant fix this anymore than he could fix the floods in Carlisle.

PS : If youre living in Carlisle now, youre still ****ed after the floods two years ago, but you must be pissing yourself at the yanks.

We are now living pretty much as far away from the rivers as possible on a big hill. 65% of Carlisle would have to flood before we got even our driveway damp.

We got a nicer house as well \o/

jupp 22 Sep 2005 22:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Vaio
We are now living pretty much as far away from the rivers as possible on a big hill. 65% of Carlisle would have to flood before we got even our driveway damp.

We got a nicer house as well \o/

smart move :up:

Vaio 22 Sep 2005 22:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Texan
I'm not sure how everyone on this forum would die from the initial attack and from retaliation by Russia, China and France if it was not from nuclear winter.

The only damage anyone would get from French retaliation is a paper cut from opening the letter containing the surrender details.

Yahwe 22 Sep 2005 22:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by s|k
Yes, which would be you and everyone else here losing their lives from the imminent Russian, Chinese, and French nuclear retaliation.

I do appreciate that you left Britain out of this list.

We of course are far too sensible to over react in such a way. I'm not at all surprised that you mentioned the French ...

Texan 22 Sep 2005 22:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood
What?


Also we're going to be pretty ****ed if we can't grow crops for four years dude. Well about 5 billion will be anyways.

I'm guessing the sender of the anonymous message has some valid reason for assuming that some people could live without crops for four years. Cannabalism maybe?

JonnyBGood 22 Sep 2005 22:56

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Texan
I'm guessing the sender of the anonymous message has some valid reason for assuming that some people could live without crops for four years. Cannabalism maybe?

There's a fair amount of food stockpiled, some food could be grown artificially but it'd be ridiculously expensive. Cannibalism wouldn't last for that long really. Also "sender of the anonymous message"?

HAL-9000 22 Sep 2005 23:01

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Bah now I have to watch Dr. Strangelove again. Class.

Texan 22 Sep 2005 23:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood
Also "sender of the anonymous message"?

On the page:
Latest Reputation Received

It's the only way I know to send a message anonymously.

Nusselt 22 Sep 2005 23:09

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Maybe George Bush IS Bob the Builder, hes rebuilding Afghanistan, Iraq, New Orleans, Houstan (probably), Asia (well a bit). Hes going to build on teh moon and mars.

Go bob Go!*



* just remember that british builders **** off after doing only half the job and leave you with a massive bill

Dante Hicks 22 Sep 2005 23:10

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It's difficult to guess what the response would be to the United States nuking the Middle East (mainly because it's so unlikely to occur).

Even so, I'm fairly sure the Chinese, Russians, etc wouldn't want to destroy the world in retaliation.

HAL-9000 22 Sep 2005 23:15

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To be honest the idea of any developed country using nukes seems fairly absurd. Perhaps the only countries that would are those that would be governed by religious zeal, attempting to bring about some sort of pre-ordained apocalypse. I wonder how worrying it would be were a country governed by extremists or just particularly pious religious leaders to have nuclear ICBMs.

I think, were america to use nukes, europe would deliberate for a few months before making threats to america that, unless they say sorry, they might tell the security council.

G.K Zhukov 22 Sep 2005 23:16

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Couse Im sure the rest of the world would be happy if Dubaya nuked the middle east.
Im sure the Saudis would be happy to continue to sell USA oil, if they're country was contaminated with shit fx.

JonnyBGood 22 Sep 2005 23:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HAL-9000
To be honest the idea of any developed country using nukes seems fairly absurd. Perhaps the only countries that would are those that would be governed by religious zeal, attempting to bring about some sort of pre-ordained apocalypse. I wonder how worrying it would be were a country governed by extremists or just particularly pious religious leaders to have nuclear ICBMs.

In general sane people are unlikely to use nuclear weapons. This includes the people intelligent enough to have been elected as leaders of such politically violently darwinian states.

Texan 22 Sep 2005 23:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by G.K Zhukov
Couse Im sure the rest of the world would be happy if Dubaya nuked the middle east.
Im sure the Saudis would be happy to continue to sell USA oil, if they're country was contaminated with shit fx.

I think the Saudis would not be able to sell oil to anyone under the circumstances.

Dante Hicks 22 Sep 2005 23:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HAL-9000
To be honest the idea of any developed country using nukes seems fairly absurd.

Well, now it does sure. But during the Cold War we apparently came close over complete non-issues (e.g. Cuban Missile Crisis).

JonnyBGood 22 Sep 2005 23:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks
Well, now it does sure. But during the Cold War we apparently came close over complete non-issues (e.g. Cuban Missile Crisis).

I'm not sure about that. Maybe there was a reason we came so "close" but they were never used. Obviously major-power tensions disappeared but I think an awareness of how extreme the consequences could be evolved with the appearance of ICBMs.

HAL-9000 22 Sep 2005 23:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks
Well, now it does sure. But during the Cold War we apparently came close over complete non-issues (e.g. Cuban Missile Crisis).

I really have no idea whether anybody would have fired. Scary, scary time and it is unbelievable that it got that far. I think we can only guess what would have happened were concessions not made by both sides. Here's a question:

Imagine that the soviets had attacked america with nuclear missiles and you, being commander and cheif, had sole responsibility for the retaliation. Or vise versa, if you are so inclined. The missiles are half an hour from making the USA the worlds largest crater. Nothing will be left of america. Do you order a retalitory nuclear strike? The birds passing each other in the air. Enough nuclear weapons to destroy the world several times over some people have stated, though I'm not sure as to the validity of this statement. Or do you accept that it might be better to let the world carry on living, considering that you're all going to die whether you retaliate or not. I actually find this a tough call. The notion that the world would be left pretty much under the control of a super power that is willing to use nuclear weapons on any country it does not like is clearly disturbing, but would you rather there were no human populated world left? Answers on a postcard.

Dante Hicks 22 Sep 2005 23:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood
I'm not sure about that. Maybe there was a reason we came so "close" but they were never used.

Sure, but it's fairly easy to say with the benefit of hindsight that we were never in any real danger. But the Vasily Arkhipov incident springs to mind :
Quote:

On October 27, 1962, during the Cuban Missile Crisis, destroyers of the United States Navy near Cuba dropped a set of depth charges near a nuclear-armed Soviet submarine. Allegedly, the captain of the submarine, Valentin Grigorievitch Savitsky, believing that a war might already have started, prepared to launch a retaliatory nuclear-tipped torpedo.

Three officers on board the submarine - Savitsky, Deputy Political Officer Ivan Semonovich Maslennikov, and Second Captain Vasili Alexandrovich Arkhipov - were entitled to launch the torpedo if they agreed unanimously in favour of doing so. An argument broke out between the three, in which only Arkhipov was against making the attack, eventually persauding Savitsky to surface the submarine and await orders from Moscow. The nuclear war which presumably would have ensued was thus averted.
(from Wiki).

I'm sure that's a simplification, but you get the idea.

Texan 22 Sep 2005 23:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HAL-9000
To be honest the idea of any developed country using nukes seems fairly absurd. Perhaps the only countries that would are those that would be governed by religious zeal, attempting to bring about some sort of pre-ordained apocalypse. I wonder how worrying it would be were a country governed by extremists or just particularly pious religious leaders to have nuclear ICBMs..

Quote:

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood
In general sane people are unlikely to use nuclear weapons. This includes the people intelligent enough to have been elected as leaders of such politically violently darwinian states.

Since many people on this forum seem to think Bush is a religious fanatic with an 80 IQ, now would be the time for them to worry.

JonnyBGood 22 Sep 2005 23:32

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I'm not particularly adverse to the end of civilisation and a new start. No doubt the same terrible ideologies would emerge again though :(

G.K Zhukov 22 Sep 2005 23:34

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Nice to see how clever the americans were at that time too. Im starting to wonder how they manage to invent microprocessors and so on. Or do they single out the total retards to take the most life-threathning descions?
Help us out here Texan.

xtrasyn 22 Sep 2005 23:35

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It's simply that there's so ****ing many of them. The sheer numbers beat all other odds.

Dante Hicks 22 Sep 2005 23:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HAL-9000
Do you order a retalitory nuclear strike?.

I wouldn't, no. But I'm a "humanist". I think the President of the United States (or any "nationalist" leader) would though.

Let's change the question slightly. Let's imagine we developed Intergalactic weapons ( :rolleyes: ) and encounter an alien race with whom we have immediate hosilities with. They're the same level of tech as us, and we are in a MAD scenario. They launch an all-out-attack on Earth, and you have ten minutes before the end of humanity. Do you strike back to eliminate them? Or do you prefer to think that intelligent life should continue somewhere in the Universe?

Because I wouldn't hesitate in attacking this hypothetical enemy. And I'm pretty sure that's how any PUSA I can think of would think about the Russians.

JonnyBGood 22 Sep 2005 23:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks
Sure, but it's fairly easy to say with the benefit of hindsight that we were never in any real danger. But the Vasily Arkhipov incident springs to mind :

(from Wiki).

I'm sure that's a simplification, but you get the idea.

Hay crimson tide :ninja:

My point was that leaders are severely unlikely to authorise the release of nuclear weapons. I forgot about submarine commanders, do they still have authority to launch their missiles without prior confirmation under certain circumstances (obviously excluding "war").


PS Bush is massively unlikely to use nuclear weapons for a plethora of other reasons, which probably accumulate to a far greater total weight than my other point about leaders in dangerously competitive countries.

Texan 22 Sep 2005 23:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by G.K Zhukov
Nice to see how clever the americans were at that time too. Im starting to wonder how they manage to invent microprocessors and so on. Or do they single out the total retards to take the most life-threathning descions?
Help us out here Texan.

You don't need to be modest, G.K. Everyone knows the president has a hotline to your cell phone for all his toughest decisions.

JonnyBGood 22 Sep 2005 23:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks
I wouldn't, no. But I'm a "humanist". I think the President of the United States (or any "nationalist" leader) would though.

Let's change the question slightly. Let's imagine we developed Intergalactic weapons ( :rolleyes: ) and encounter an alien race with whom we have immediate hosilities with. They're the same level of tech as us, and we are in a MAD scenario. They launch an all-out-attack on Earth, and you have ten minutes before the end of humanity. Do you strike back to eliminate them? Or do you prefer to think that intelligent life should continue somewhere in the Universe?

Because I wouldn't hesitate in attacking this hypothetical enemy. And I'm pretty sure that's how any PUSA I can think of would think about the Russians.

I would. I'm an "intelligentist".

Texan 22 Sep 2005 23:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood
Hay crimson tide :ninja:

My point was that leaders are severely unlikely to authorise the release of nuclear weapons. I forgot about submarine commanders, do they still have authority to launch their missiles without prior confirmation under certain circumstances (obviously excluding "war").

As far as I know, submarine commanders never had authorization to launch without orders from the chain of command.

The plan was you waited until the order came or you died first. Commanders were authorized, short of firing nuclear missiles, to do what they needed to survive.

xtrasyn 22 Sep 2005 23:45

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I'm a greedy warmongerer. I'll say '**** all you clowns', and start a war. It's the only way to get rid of all this human garbage we see floating about our streets. And it's great for science, too.

JonnyBGood 22 Sep 2005 23:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Texan
As far as I know, submarine commanders never had authorization to launch without orders from the chain of command.

The plan was you waited until the order came or you died first. Commanders were authorized, short of firing nuclear missiles, to do what they needed to survive.

I have been seriously misled by crimson tide. I have tried interneting for information on this but to no avail :(

xtrasyn 22 Sep 2005 23:58

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McGuyver could launch any shit if he wanted to.

Now THAT is a resourceful fellow.

Ephor 23 Sep 2005 03:39

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I'm not too concerned about Bush waging war against the Middle East as long as I can stay out of the collateral, but I'm not sure that would be possible if he did so against God. :rolleyes:

dda 23 Sep 2005 04:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood
I have been seriously misled by crimson tide. I have tried interneting for information on this but to no avail :(

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