Paedophile policy 'not media-led'
 

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5097102.stm

So apparantly 'top cop' has slammed the home office for allowing the tabloids to make policy regarding paedophilia. In the article there are a few references to announcements which co-incide with tabloid calls for certain rule-changes.

Now, is this just coincidence? I don't think so. Yet, I am not sure which way aound the cycle is running.

Is the Home Office being led around by the daily taoiletpapers and being harassed into making changes.

OR

Do the papers have 'inside men' which means the papers release stories at a time to make it seem as if they have more influence than they actually do?

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By this do they mean whatever shitty tabloid or an actual government paper?

Lolling.

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as yahwe said in ste's thread, you know theres something seriously ****ing wrong when the police say that perhaps your policies are too much.

T&F is in more of a position to answer who leads whom, but id guess its a bit of both, ultimately murdoch is in charge.

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I doubt anyone believes the media have no influence, but as T&F is fond of noting, the government can also "push" stories, manipulate the timing of events, etc. More generally it seems to be some horrifically incestuous dialectic of evil.

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I don't believe people should know where paedophiles are in their community as it would only lead to violence.

I think they should be kept as far away from vulnerable groups as possible though. I'm not saying i know the answer, just that the solution isn't letting everyone know where all the paedo's in the land are.

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The homophobia in such countries kind of sickens me, especially when you take into account how often these sorts of people are regularly ****ing 11 year olds and goats and stuff up the ass. Indians are bad but Muslims are the ****ing worst of them.

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Yes but that is only to cure the aids. It wasn´t for personal pleasure.

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the asians have nothing on us.

we put a child molester in charge of our program to fight child predators.

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That's predominately (entirely?) a southern african held belief.


PS I demand verification acro!

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I believe that the report refers to an electronic register that can be accessed by parents online that tells them of paedophiles living in the close proximity of their address (i thought that they had one like it in us or somewhere close)

personally as a father of 3 i would love to see a facility like this in the uk

Paedophiles are the worst kind of scum, and yet seem to be treated most fairly, they have lovely self-contained cells all safe and secure and away from harm in prison, they therefore behave whilst in prison and are then let out early for good behaviour.
There was one guy in uk who was released after 5 years in uk a few weeks back and immediately went out and raped a 3 year old child, he was then re-saentenced to 'life' and will be out again in 5 years :(

Smear donkey feromone on their arseholes and put them in a room with a horse on heat imo!!!

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hysteria.

Paedophilia is here to stay. Control it, dont demonise it, because you have no idea how widespread it is. A paedophile is as bad as any sexual predator acting on their instincts.

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Believe me, once you have the aids you will try everything, even if it means performing funny foreign rituals.

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I think the issue is : How would that be of any benefit?

So you search on this database and find out there are 3 paedos in your neighbourhood. Now what? Do you just not let your kids play outside for the rest of their lives? Buy a gun from Dodgy Mick down the local pub? Get a posse together?

As a clearly incensed individual, what exactly are you going to do with this information?

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It's a wonderful proposal, isn't it? 'Let's make a law which will encourage people to break the law'. Genius.

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Maye we can ostracise them from society and turn them into loners!

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Yeah we could even set up an intenet message board which would keep them occupied the whole day chatting to each other thus keeping them off the streets and away from the children oh wai

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1. Cut of their penis or in the case of women hysterectomy. Get their genes out of the paddling pool.
2. Cut of their fingers so in the meantime they can not fiddle.
3. Deploy the people who make the lists into Mobile Bodily Parts Disposal Units.

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first, make sure all their neighbors are aware of 'what' they are. then, discuss what 'should be done.' phase one generally including being rude and unfriendly, and without truly saying it outright, make it clear that it would be appreciated if they would leave. it's perhaps not neighborly, but you have kids to think about.

if that doesn't work, the next step should. dropping hints with the local delinquent teenagers is a good plan at this point; vandalism is a good direction to go. perhaps a little spray paint message to make things clear, and this time you will be saying it outright: "leave", "I think it would be best if you left town", "You don't belong here." What you don't say outright is what happens if they stay. But it should be pretty clear.

Phase three obviously involves Dodgy Mick. In the good old days you could get a posse together and some rope, but that isn't really an option any more.

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We rather left that sort of eugenics-driven policy back in the 1940s I'm afraid to say.

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In my community, the information in the database seems to be mostly used to force child predators to relocate after they're discovered living next to a daycare center or some such. Some of it might be NIMBY paranoia, but on the other hand I think there are some places where child predators shouldn't be living.

Of course, there's no reason the police couldn't be doing this but for some reason they lack the authority/resources/incentive to do so.

I don't know what I would do if a child predator moved into my neighborhood. I live a half block from an elementary school so it's hopefully a moot point but at least I could inform the authorities that someone may have slipped through the cracks. If I didn't live next to a school/daycare center/park/etc I might not do anything, but I'd still want to know. Knowledge is power, etc.

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Look at what the government is willing to do to test for sex offenders: penile plethysmograph test. Honestly, who here would pass with this thing wrapped around their penis and shown some pictures of a scantily clad, busty 17/16 year old early bloomer.

Thank god, the appeals court ruled as it did, but look the damage is already done because it already has 'been used as part of sex offender treatment programs.'

I can't believe people are willing to do this shit to people, they're destroying their own rights with this shit.

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I take it 'force' is the process acropolis set out? does the local sheriff shoot dem there varmint and claim self defence ala 'in the heat of the night'?

Im confused about this whole 'they should live in area x' since i assume they're still allowed to drive and travel around your state. They're either going to kiddy fiddle or not, i fail to see why being 1.5 miles further away from a school matters, if anything they're less likely to pounce from the dead bushes they continually hide in when theres loads of people in the vicinity.

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you forgot to say cut off their tongues, lest their slippery lickety appendages find their way into the smooth mounds of perfection, oh and don't forget their eyes, see no evil do no evil.

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Isn't this just a feel safe thing. Its not like every sex offender has already committed a offence. It might make you feel better but its not going to stop a random relative taking advantage of your kids(the most common of this type of attack) and in many of these cases if it wasn't such an emotional subject some blame would lie with the parents.

I think it must be hard for a child growing up trying to reconcile that raping kids and growing pot are the same thing, judging by sentence. I realise that drugs are a different issue, but its hard to argue even "class A's" have an effect on society close to that from the fallout from serious sex offence. Expecting sense of these issues is setting yourself up for disappointment.

I would also say that if once you have "done your time" you aren't as free as the rest of us(ie. on the register) it could make people resign themselves to a life on the lowest rung of (western) society. Branded for life. Its hardly rehabilitation anyway.

edit: to make it perfect!

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I'm sorry but that's one of the worst structured posts I've ever read :(

I really have no clue what you're saying. I mean, I get the first line but then it just gets bizzare.

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how many rep points do i need to post drunk? :(

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simple, lets go beyond the 40's and....'off with their heads'. this totally eliminates them giving or getting any heed if the first 3 steps are actioned. of course neophiliacs options are now seriously depleting. its a dead issue.

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None, but you need to be cool!

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and then mince up their meatyness and feed it to those about to have their heads cutoff, thereby ensuring their vile soul is consumed by those about to die and not released into the wider population.

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People can make informed decisions better if they have information.

If I live in a neighborhood infested with paedos maybe I might like to consider relocating and doing so to a neighborhood that I can at least hope is not so infested.

I might choose to be more vigilant about my child associating with such individuals.

Why do so many find themselves tortured by worries about the poor paedophiles?

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As Jonny has already quoted :

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I would be willing to bet, though I have no absolute statistics, that there were several times that many children killed by repeat paedophiles during that same year. It is possible that the law would not have stopped any of those murders but maybe it would. Just as it is possible that those set on killing paedophiles may well have found some to kill any way. Convictions are public records and with the internet finding someone isn't that difficult.

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And you don't have to be a pedophile to be a 'registered sex offender' do you?

Some parts of the US have a legal consent age of 18 or something ridicilous doesn't it? Meaning if the f.x. the parents want to press suit on a 19 year old sleeping with a 17 year old, the 19-year old can end up with a misdemenour and being registered? (atleast, I read this is in a slashdot comment not long ago, seemed true enough)

Either way, I'm sure it's possible to get registered after having had sex with someone who already hit puberty.. and although I wouldn't **** a 15 year old, I really don't see the problem if someone else wants to.

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1) A human being always deserves human rights. Always.
2) If you start inventing categories of people who have less rights then others, it might not be so long before you find yourself in one.
3) As it is your profession to take the rights away of others, in fact you fight for it, I don't expect you understand. I'm sure you have divided all of humanity into two groups 'good' and 'bad' and you clearly see yourself fighting on the side of good.

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Force in those cases where it would be a violation of the terms of their parole for them to be living in certain areas so they'd be sent back to jail (and if there aren't such restrictions then there probably ought to be). There may be other legal restrictions on where they can live/work/loiter as well. Beyond that one would have to resort to legal means of persuasion (picketing, letters to the editor, etc).
I don't think it's as simple as 'they're either going to kiddy fiddle or not' since stimulus and opportunity play roles as well. Keeping child predators away from children and places where children congregate just seems like common sense to me, your reassurances about where they're likely to pounce notwithstanding.

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1. People who commit crimes forfit SOME of their rights.
2. The law establishes the rights of individuals. It is not up to me to invent catagories for them.
3. Children have rights too which need to be protected.
4. People having a right to obtain information which may bear on the well being of their children doesn't seem unreasonable. That some few may misuse the information not withstanding.
5. You obviously have a very distorted view of the role of a prosecutor.

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You know there are police helicopters that fly over our apartment complex weekly, there are police officers everywhere, on every corner practically. Everywhere I look it seems like I see a squad car, they even come slowly rolling into the apartment complex and just to look around. They are building new prisons all over the place, and they are still running out of beds. Despite all this I don't feel any safer. I lock my door at night, and I, a 6 foot 2 in 240 lbs (17 st) former Marine no longer goes outside after midnight because my wife is scared. My friends car's window was broken on the university campus, twice while walking my dog a police car stopped (once they did a incredibly fast u-turn when they saw me and skidded to a halt next to me) to ask me if I've heard gun shots or seen a man running my way.

People like you keep prosecuting, people like you keep building the jails cells, hiring more police, but I am not feeling any ****ing safer. Your system doesn't work. It never has, it never will. There are root causes for all this misery, that everyone turns a blind eye to. The US is changing, and not for the better. Your attitude about 'paedophiles,' your unwillingness to see the humanity in others, is one of these root causes, in my opinion.

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And here's another thing. All this sick obsessivness about males and children interaction is awful and if anything is unnatural, it's how males stay away from kids. It is like we've deified childhood, but we don't really care about the children. We make sure to protect them from 'evil' but then we don't ensure that they have enough food to eat, that they get a decent education, that their parents have jobs, have financial security.

It's religious mumbojumbo. And we're murdering people and destroying their lives because of these phony and illbegotten judeo-christian values.

I've said this before to Madi, and she started crying, but it's true. The appropriateness of having sex with children is a culturally defined phenomenon. In Africa older men are expected to have oral sex performed on them by young, pre teen boys. It seen as way of imparting wisdom. They see their semen as a life force. In the Pacific women will rub their child's gentials when they are upset and crying, and in one reading, a little boy was crying and the mother put his penis in her mouth. I like you am shocked by paedophilia, but I realise it's a cultural thing. I can't understand it, and my immediate reaction is horror when read about it in the news. But I know it is a cultural thing, a brainwashed thing. I know that cum isn't poisenous, and the harm that is done to children is psychological, we tell them something terrible has happened to them, and so that's how they end up structuring their perception of it. The real crime is that something was done against their will, but when is something happening to children that isn't against their will. You and I, we see the desire to have sex with children as sick and depraved. We share this view, but what we don't share is the understanding that it's just one of many ****ed up things humans do to each other, no worse than any other, and in no way shape or form an excuse to forever destroy a person's life above and beyond the protections of civil liberty granted to every citizen in the United States constitution.

I'm done ranting now.

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afaik your laws allow for all 'sex offender' information to be released, so it was possible to move from the dirty queers who were caught rather than the kiddyfiddlers (this may have changed), most abuse in our country (like 80%) is comitted within families so the offenders name would not be released in anycase to protect the victim having to answer the questions of strangers.

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Then id assume no go zones would be more appropriate (with tagging if needed). Id doesn't seem entirely common sense to me since i don't think someone looks at a child and gets a massive hardon, but i suppose its a personal pov, the law looks very unlikely in the uk now, the government is backpeddling.

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It's the kind of law made to appease angry parents more that to actually do anything for or against the pedoephile. As long as the parents of a child has that has been killed or molested feel that the laws are doing something about this problem then exposing the convicted seems to fit the bill.

Here in the USA many states publish online list of sexual predators and where they can be found. If they consent then there is a slim chance they will be accepted in a community with much skeptisism. If they try to hide then when found out the result are much worse for the pedo. Not the best solution but its one that lawmakers and constituants seem to agree on for now.

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Not this constituent.

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Things may be natural in other societies. However, this is this society. Children in this society are irreperably harmed by paedophelia. We can say that they should not be but it won't change the fact that they are. Children need to be protected as they are not in a very good position to protect themselves.

As to the protection of the Constitution of the United States, perhaps you could point out to me which provision of the Constitution is being destroyed and/or which legal case has set out this right. I am sure that you would not have made such a declarative statement without some particular right or set of rights in mind.

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Absolutely, the sex offender registry was upheld by the Supreme Court No. 01-729 and by State Courts and appeals courts because it is seen as non-punitive, and not a deprivation of liberty. Seriously. But I disagree.

If they do constitute a deprivation of liberty, then they are a violation of the ex post facto law, and they violate the Due Process Clause


My heart is with the dissenting opinion that states IT IS a deprivation of liberty:
So the argument is that forcing sex offenders to register is not punitive and therefore not a violation of their rights. That is the dumbest ****ing thing I have ever ****ing heard in my goddamned life. Of course it is a deprivation of rights. Even you've been talking about it as if it were punitive and if IT IS then it does violate the constitution. amirite

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I realise this, but you asked why people were so "tortured" about this issue, as if it's trivial. The point is it's not. People have been killed. Now perhaps they deserved to die. Perhaps their deaths need to be offset against deaths this law has prevented. But that doesn't mean the issue is a simple one, or that anyone who is worried about the possible consequences is somehow being ridiculous.

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So what if they don't have rights. They BROKE THE LAW. They killed or molested innocent children. They became PROPERTY OF THE STATE until they were released and if on probation they are still property of the state to some extent and SHOULD be Require to register as a condition of their parole. Of course they don't have rights. When they broke the law and were convicted of felony offenses they lost the right to vote. Since they can no longer choose nothing more required of them is going to deprive them of any more rights than they willing gave up by commiting these horendous crimes.

What's next? Not allowing murderers to buy guns is a violation of their rights too? The only freedom these criminals are ever going to find is though salvation. Most of an extreamly well known religous book was writtin by a notorious murder by the name of Paul while he was imprisoned.

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You don't have to go outside the history of western society to find instances of what we could call paedophilia being considered a social norm, see Sparta.

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I don't like the assumption that all the children who were molested were innocent.

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dda do you agree with this sentiment? ^^^

Traveler:
Ignoring the completely illogical and emotional nature of your response, I have a couple of questions for you. Is this the example that Jesus set for you? I believe Jesus was about tolerance and acceptance. I believe he went to the 'sick' people and spent time with them and talked with them, even though everyone else was aghast by these actions. Do you honestly think that Jesus cares any more about you than he does child molestors? How would Jesus want you to treat these child molestors? Are you ready to pick up the stones and start throwing?