Celebrity Mercy Killing
itt we discuss which celebrities would have been better off dying young rather than living on and ruining whaat would have been a masterful legacy. the nominees can be any age but cannnot be any member of U2 as they have always been shit and their death at any stage could only be seen as a slight redemption for all the pain they have inflicted.
I would like to start this thread by denouncing Morrissey. Having missed the Smiths (way before my time) up until recently all I knew of Morrissey (apart from this Charming Man) was his recent solo work and his comments in the press. I hated him. I really hated him and I hated everyone who had ever been associated and anthing he had ever done, because (and this is undeniable) he is a santimonious, self-reightious, arrogent prick who lyrics were so pathetic they literally made me want to vomit into the air and catch it on my face. then one day, I saw a 15 second clip of an interview with Morrissey from 15-20 years ago and I was rather taken aback by both his apperance and his demenour, whilst he didn't speak there was something that struck me as odd, he in no way resembled the Morrissey I had come to loathe. So I took a chance and listened 'to the queen is dead' and I was blown away. It was brilliant, lyrically I thought it was the freshest use of the English language that I'd seen for a long time. Somewhere along the line, Morrissey became a bitter, twisted individual (probably when he lost all his talent) and just says things for shock value to sell his overwhelmingly bollocks records. It would have been better for him and the world if he had been shot after his debut solo record (which by all accounts is pretty good) so we could have a lost icon whose perished works we could lament for generations. Instead, we have this burnt out old bastard who should put in a nursing home and smothered in his sleep. |
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hmmm I can see where your coming from.
My vote would be Bono..who now comes across as some self proclaimed Messiah of anything he thinks is a good cause.Whereas after the joshua tree U2 lost it. IMHO |
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I had very little opinion at all about Morrissey until very recently. He can't sing, but neither can a lot of the people I like and while The Smiths always struck me as deathly dull they seem to have influenced a bunch of cool people and were probably more intelligent than most of their contemporaries in the music biz.
And yeah, he's an animal rights nut but it's not like anyone really listened to him so I didn't really care. On top of this, I don't read dross like NME so he rarely entered my mental landscape. However, my girlfriend seems to have some obsession with Morrissey and I've now heard more of his droaning crap (accompanied with praise for him) than any man deserves to hear. As a result I now hate him with a fiery passion. :( I think I might even be seeing him in concert at some point soon so look out for a "Morrissey stabbed by badly dressed gothy looking tramp" news story. Not sure if it's been mentioned here before, but speaking of Morrissey does anyone else find the list of "Top Living Icons" the BBC were voting on kind of shit : http://www.bbc.co.uk/arts/livingicons/vote/ ? Although 4 of the 12 come from South London. \o/ |
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(splitting post into two for coherence) As for your actual topic, while there's undoubtedly plenty of cultural products that have gone downhill (The Simpsons anybody?) I'm not sure about individuals. There are a bunch of people who were (allegedly) right-on back in the day but are now shills for the man (Christopher Hitchens being the obvious example, but you could include the likes of Peter Mandleson here too) but generally if you examine the historical record closely you see these people were always tossers, albeit for a different "team". As Chomsky is fond of pointing out (slightly unfairly) the journey from being a Maoist/Stalinist to being a Neo-Con isn't so great. More generally though, whole swathes of the Anglo-American liberal-left intellegensia acted utterly shamefully after 9/11 (and even before). Again though, I had zero faith in those people to start with. Their celebrity equivalents like Ben Elton and Alexi Sayle have also got shitter as time has gone on but who was holding these people up as icons of integrity to start with? Ditto "serious" actors who appear in adverts for companies like Barclays... Politics aside, I like plenty of people who aren't as good as they used to be (Woody Allen, Kevin Smith as two examples) but I'm still glad they're making movies. Yeah, if you watch Allen's latest (Scoop) back to back with Manhattan or Annie Hall it does look kind of rubbish, but so what? (OK, I'm not glad George Lucas is still making movies, but he was never any sort of hero anyway). I suppose I hold so few people in high regard it's difficult to think how anyone could fall from grace to be honest. :( I guess I was mildly disappointed that Fat Mike (NOFX) got so heavily involved in that Punk Voter nonsense in the last election, but his heart was in the right place he was just slightly naive (and I can't think of a better idea anyway). He is just a singer anyway (that doesn't mean you require qualifications to speak on these matters, but he was never a political "leader" or even spokersperson to start with). In summary, there are a bunch of people who probably should be shot, but I can't think of anyone where it would be to protect their legacy, rather than the general goal of making the universe a better place. The Simpsons however should have probably died a few seasons ago though. |
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PAGD, hahahahhahahahahah :salute: :crymeariver:
Obviously politicians especially heads of executive are a standard here (assuming we're talking about democracies), aside from them. Tom Cruise seems to be heading towards lunacy. Bob Geldoff annoys the **** out of me with every passing second - he was never 'great' to begin with but of late its gotten worse. What is it with the irish and trying to save the entire planet? It would have been nicer to only be left with pictures of a young brigitte bardot. If Ali had died in the late 70s his standing would be greater. Paul Mccartney should have been standing next to lennon shouting 'me next'. Though to be fair the karma of the universe got him back by marrying heather mills. |
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I would maybe say Roger Waters. I'm not very fond of his work (solo or with Pink Floyd) after The Wall, and a lot of their work before it was great. And he made a bit of a dick of himself in the trials regarding whether the rest of the band would be allowed to use the name Pink Floyd after he left the band.
Obviously a few directors here and there, and I agree on Francis Ford Coppola. |
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I can't believe no one mentioned Pete Doherty yet, so I will! He'd be better off if he weren't born at all to be honest.
edit for ASG: That's about his person, not his band or its music. |
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People who have a great creative past but somewhere along the line they lost it and started produced manure. Saying 'I don't like <insert generic celebrity> so they should die' kinda falls outside of this remit and therrefore should be kept for a more appropriate thread i.e. GD's Enemies List. to say you think Pete Doherty should have never been born implies that you think he never produced anything of worth, which would instantly disqualify him from the topic at hand. Have a nice day. :) |
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Once again, this isn't 'Celebs From Hell!' :D |
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Tom Cruise gets my vote. Some where between the movie Rain Man (1988) and Jerry Maguire (1996) Tom degraded as a person and an actor. Personally I blame the influence of Nicole Kidman in his life from the movie Days of Thunder (1990).
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http://music.donyell.net/britney_spe...ney-spears.jpg
http://www.briscoebarnyard.com/pictures/britney.jpg o britney i hate it when a b*t*h lets herself go |
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shes pregnant in that picture ;p
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pregnant in her cheeks?
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despite what the stick insects and supermodels do to look good while pregnant.. most normal people put on weight .. all over :P
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The body builds fat stores for later use I think. There's some sort of factoid that a woman should gain 20 - 30 pounds during pregnancy. Obviously that's not all going to be concentrated in one place and considering a new born baby is unlikely to be much more than 10lbs it's obviously not just their weight.
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Britney is testemony to the mantra 'Sex Sells'.
I said from the very day she released her first album she was an untalented hoe, set to one day fizzle into obscurity. Now that she's lost her one asset her popularity is plummeting, all I can say is don't say I didn't tell you so. That aside it pains me to put forward Liam Howlett from The Prodigy. I am a literal Prodigy fanboy, going so far as to collect every rare or hard to find snippet from his long standing carrier that I can get my hands on. Still a very talented mixer and composer but he seems to have lost focus on the direction he wants his music to head in. I gave leeway to the fact that almost every artist at some point in their carrier choose to experiment or change with the times to allow their music to take on new boundries. He never really recovered though, and his musical style is all over shop. |
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Roger Daltrey and the rest of The Who.
They once sang 'I hope I die before I get old' and then didn't. Now the clean living ex-rockers are inflicting their middle-aged mediocrity upon our ears. Just die already. |
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Yeah, sorry to Keith's shade. Keep rocking.
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Also, in response to that bigot milo, not all Irish people want to save the world. That is a shocking accusation. I sincerely hope a muslim blows up next to you in the near future. |
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I still love him though! |
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I suppose if Paul Gascoigne had died at the start of 1991 he might have been remembered with similar regard as Duncan Edwards. At 23 he was one of the best players in the world and had been named in the world cup team of the tournament, he'd also just won the BBC Sports Personality of the Year. And he'd got to #2 in the charts!
We'd never have had the spate of injuries which cost him his form, his drink and drug problems and of course the good old wife beating. All he'd be remembered for is being a fantastic footballer and scoring ridiculous numbers of goals from midfield. That would be nice. |
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There is a sense of irony in you trying to correct something that is deliberately broken. It was meant to satire the way blind enthusiasm can turn a persons brain to mush. |
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but then we wouldn't have Bianca!! http://eur.i1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/i/uk/tv/l/li7.jpg ftw |
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I never liked Morrissey. But then I always assumed you had to have long black greesy hair partly covering your face whilst you write poetry about your imminent suicide on a rainy Saturday evening whilst all your friend have gone out drinking leaving you alone to wallow in your own pool of self-pitty at the age of sixteen to really appreciate Morrissey, and I was more a listen to OK Computer until you start doubting reality actually exists kind of teenager.
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Michael Jackson comes to mind. If he had died in 1995 or a bit before, he would still be remembered as king of pop.
Also, Axl Rose. |
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Dwight Schultz. Mad murdoch and barclay were actually portrayed by a ranting lunatic
Ill throw in face and deanna troi since i think they share his views edit these probably come under 'general dissapointment' rather than fall from grace |
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But Sirtis does seem to hate the French. but it's not clear whether that's because she's a born again Republican or just because she's British. Dirk Benedict certainly seems to be with Schultz though (they're on the show together). Although it's difficult to tell how much of America's rightism is confused: Quote:
But he also seems to be rather embittered generally; witness his diatribe against the new BSG here. He could be jealous that the new show is considerably better than his incarnation though or that a girl's tougher than his character ever was. Mostly it just seems some sort of anti-feminist rant. He did beat cancer by the power of yoghurt though, so maybe that affected him. I'm not sure what to make of this, it's anti-system upto a point, slightly anti-rationalist but with a strong admiration for Voltaire. Oh well. |
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Paul Francis Gadd.
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I already had a vague memory of sirtis being a 'conservative' and tbh i just lumped her in with benedict and schultz because he lists her as 'friend' on his website. Admitedly she could be completely right on and just happen to share his views on the vast government ufo conspiracy.
Schultz and Benedict don't seem to be 'conservatives/republicans' in the contempory sense. If anything they seem to be attacking bush for being too soft in some areas. Listening and reading to them rant makes me think they have more in common with gunned up mountain men. One thing i don't understand is this constant 'liberals are suppressing freedom of speech/they control hollywood' etc. I don't think hollywood supports a particularly 'liberal' or righton view, its corporatist, not that im suggesting theres anything wrong with that. Hollywood won't allow interracial relationships and keeps the gays in the closet because it doesn't want to lose money. Whats liberal about it? Regarding BSG i hated it to begin with, but i have to say its very good. I prefer it to sg-sg1. |
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You get the related cultural issues too (single-parents aren't demonised enough, you don't see abortion doctors being shot enough, too many characters are from or live in Jew York, etc). |
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Regarding more 'relgious moviess' isn't that set to change? Mel Gibson pretty much showed there was a massive market for 'conservative output'. |
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As I say though I think a cultural thing. You're saying you don't think Hollywood is very liberal because (presumably) compared to your views, they're not very (in their output). But if you're someone who is quite conservative, obviously Hollywood's output is very liberal. I'd certainly judge that on cultural issues Hollywood is probably more liberal than much (most of?) of America. As I said earlier, no-one (in TV sitcom-land) seems to go to church or even strongly believe in God, very few (non-police/criminals) seem to own guns and very few seem to have a problem with homosexuals. A disproportionate number are set in the North-East or the West Coast. And so on. Now, there may be valid marketing reasons behind some of these things (i.e. any show which starts ranting about abortion or scripture is going to get far, it's presumed) but that still doesn't stop the final outcome being very liberal by comparison to the real America. |
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