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JammyJim 5 Nov 2005 02:26

Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
What is going on exactly?

Ive only heard rumours and speculation :(

Yahwe 5 Nov 2005 02:31

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
if you weren't admin you'd be banned for this thread.

frankly even though you are. I personally think that you should be.

EDIT: Britain once executed a king. Several Earls, Dukes and Barons have been executed for crimes. The Rule of Law it's called

s|k 5 Nov 2005 02:33

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Yahwe
EDIT: Britain once executed a king.

Wasn't a post driven through his body or something nasty? A Charles right?

JammyJim 5 Nov 2005 02:33

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Good thing im the admin then isnt it?


This is internet geek wars. In the same way the BBC covers Iraq i demand GD reports from the frontline of the goon wars.

Plus i dont have an SA account so cant even look to see whats happening. :confused:





p.s. Stop being shit yahwe. Im interested because i cant find anything about it around on the net atm and i know that most GD users also have an SA account.

Demon Dave 5 Nov 2005 02:37

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by s|k
Wasn't a post driven through his body or something nasty? A Charles right?

nah, we just lopped his head off. I think it was Charles I, but it could've been Charles II

Dante Hicks 5 Nov 2005 02:40

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
I know nothing of anything recent, but based on other things I've read about similar incidents I'd bet heavily on it being a bunch of idiotic wankers thinking they are being terribly clever/hilarious while in actuality they stoop to now lows of puerile stupidity.

Their "shenanigans" will be funny to no-one except the moronic cheerleaders that occupy respective forums who have nothing better to do but maturbate (both literally and figuratively) over the idea of such hilarious japes as sending pictures of someone's house to them, or something like that. Ocassionally it might turn into something more serious but that does not but escalate the patheticness and banality of the whole affair.

If there was any justice at all they'll all die slow and agonising deaths.

But like I say, I have no real idea.

JonnyBGood 5 Nov 2005 02:41

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Maybe we should get in on the act and offer our collective internet-related experience at not being staggeringly shit?

JammyJim 5 Nov 2005 02:47

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
the reason i ask is that i cant get on said forums and heard this was the reason. hence the curiosity.

SilverSmoke 5 Nov 2005 02:51

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
1) Lowtax complains about eBaum taking images off of SA, adding their own watermark and using them on their site.
2) eBaum ignores emails asking them to remove this stolen content.
3) Lowtax posts a thread in SA forums explaining the situation and telling users to complain to eBaum about it.
4) SA users post threads on eBaum forums asking the stolen content to be removed.
5) eBaum ignores these threads and still does not remove the stolen content.
6) eBaum contacts our ISP claiming we are instructing our users to attack their site.
7) We specifically tell our users NOT to attack their site, even though our content is still not removed.
8) eBaum puts malicious javascript on their site to attack us.
9) Content still not removed.

JonnyBGood 5 Nov 2005 03:00

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Hahaha intellectual property. Now dante will actively work towards your collective deaths as opposed to just wishing it :(

djbass 5 Nov 2005 03:12

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
SA sucks balls anyway, go eBaum :up:

Duncan 5 Nov 2005 05:19

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
ebaum steals shit from everywhere

Phil^ 5 Nov 2005 05:31

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverSmoke
1) Lowtax complains about eBaum taking images off of SA, adding their own watermark and using them on their site.
2) eBaum ignores emails asking them to remove this stolen content.
3) Lowtax posts a thread in SA forums explaining the situation and telling users to complain to eBaum about it.
4) SA users post threads on eBaum forums asking the stolen content to be removed.
5) eBaum ignores these threads and still does not remove the stolen content.
6) eBaum contacts our ISP claiming we are instructing our users to attack their site.
7) We specifically tell our users NOT to attack their site, even though our content is still not removed.
8) eBaum puts malicious javascript on their site to attack us.
9) Content still not removed.

10) lawsuits fly towards ebaum??

Weeks 5 Nov 2005 06:06

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
I can't even login now. It seems to accept my password then say "actually, no, not today." I looked at that other site and it seemed pretty shoddy.

Nusselt 5 Nov 2005 08:14

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
i have no idea what ebaum or who low tax is. I don't care.

But jesus ****ing christ can you sense the hatred in dante's post!

I am Idler 5 Nov 2005 09:04

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
the ebaum users really do deserve to get shot in the head

Phang 5 Nov 2005 09:52

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
ebaum is shite run by ****s, for ****s. SA has a rougly equal ****:non-**** ratio amongst the users and is run by fairly agreeable if melodramatic types.

JonnyBGood 5 Nov 2005 09:59

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
The best bit was when some faggot got his internet corps of faggots on a shit site to rally behind him in his quest for recognition for his shitty images on an even shitter site. Although the fact silversmoke now appears to run SA ran it a close second.

Cannon_Fodder 5 Nov 2005 10:03

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Why do you need to go to either?

Surely GD fulfils all your needs?

SilverSmoke 5 Nov 2005 10:14

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood
Although the fact silversmoke now appears to run SA ran it a close second.


i just happen to have an account on sa dude :(

SilverSmoke 5 Nov 2005 10:15

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sniborp
Why do you need to go to either?

Surely GD fulfils all your needs?


The SA gaming forum is the best bunch of gaming posters I've seen ever, but maybe that's because I didn't go to many gaming sites to begin with. Also GBS is a nice timefiller when you've got a slow day at work, GD is,unfortunately, too quite for that.

JonnyBGood 5 Nov 2005 10:26

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SilverSmoke
i just happen to have an account on sa dude :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silversmoke
6) eBaum contacts our ISP claiming we are instructing our users to attack their site.
7) We specifically tell our users NOT to attack their site, even though our content is still not removed.
8) eBaum puts malicious javascript on their site to attack us.

How misleading :(




PS Gaming sites makes me think of greasy fifteen year old CS players who can't type properly.

Leshy 5 Nov 2005 11:05

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood
The best bit was when some faggot got his internet corps of faggots on a shit site to rally behind him in his quest for recognition for his shitty images on an even shitter site.

The issue isn't about that.

The issue is that the images are created by people in their spare time, they get the SA logo and are then posted on SA. Then Eric Baumann comes, takes the images, removes the watermark, posts them on their own site, where people find them, laugh about them and spread them to their friends, resulting in Eric Baumann being a millionaire now due to all the advertising income. The reason SA doesn't like it, is because he's basically been stealing other people's work and became filthy rich with it.

Granted, he won't be the only one or the first to get rich by stealing stuff and taking credit for it, but it's still awesomely shit. Especially when he is faced with a lot of complaints on the forums he responds with putting a JavaScript on his site which does several page requests to SomethingAwful, essentially meaning everyone visiting his site generates multiple requests to SomethingAwful, thereby forcing his users to participate in what is essentially a DDoS attack.

Ramihyn 5 Nov 2005 11:28

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Leshy
Especially when he is faced with a lot of complaints on the forums he responds with putting a JavaScript on his site which does several page requests to SomethingAwful, essentially meaning everyone visiting his site generates multiple requests to SomethingAwful, thereby forcing his users to participate in what is essentially a DDoS attack.

Hehe what a lovely fellow ;)

However instead of moaning, i would just filter "referred" requests from his site and that would make the whole "attack" pretty useless. The SA admins should just take a look at the HTTP headers of those requests. A mean thing to do would be to counter it by a HTTP "temporary redirection" to a big resource on the ebaum site, but that would be nasty wouldnt it ;)

SilverSmoke 5 Nov 2005 11:30

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood



PS Gaming sites makes me think of greasy fifteen year old CS players who can't type properly.


That's why I like SA's amongst other reasons. You'll get slapped around and eventually banned for such behaviour.

Leshy 5 Nov 2005 11:33

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Ramihyn
However instead of moaning, i would just filter "referred" requests from his site and that would make the whole "attack" pretty useless.

It's what SA did.

But as I said, this occurred after Lowtax had asked people to go to eBaumsworld and leave a complaint on the forum about stolen material, so the SA forums were down for a short while until the admins figured out that it was EBW basically DDoS'ing them. Which is what the whole "situation" is about.

Androme 5 Nov 2005 11:43

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
I've tried phising around on eBaums but I can't find this malicious code anywhere - guess it's been taken down.

djbass 5 Nov 2005 12:05

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nusselt
i have no idea what ebaum or who low tax is.!

ebaum's just yet another post other peoples amusing shit type site that manages to pull a decent amount of trafic anyways, and as stated relatively well known for stealing other people's shit.

Lowtax is a has-been newsboy from early PlanetQuake days (shit Quake player btw I beat his arse many times), now with his own egocentric site.

Ste 5 Nov 2005 13:19

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
i quite like the somethingawful site...
I don't use the forums or anything but I have a chuckle at the "comedy goldmine" and the "photoshop phriday" every now and again.
There's an interesting video on there of Lowtax giving a lecture about somethingawful which i watched yesterday.

acropolis 5 Nov 2005 13:53

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
lowtax can be funny and some of their photoshop is good. given that everything else is utterly shit, you can see why it would get their panties in a dunder to have the photoshop swiped.

Black Dog 5 Nov 2005 13:54

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
A lot of people who have posted negatively clearly don't read somethingawful. The forums are so much more than GBS and the slightly puerile sense of humour. The photoshops alone far surpass anything this forum has come up even with in the halcyon days of 2000.

The Games, Sports Argument and Film forums have far more informed and mature discussions than you'll find on any similar forum, with a very active user base. Ebaumsworld is, on the contrary, a horrible mess of kids laughing at other people's jokes.

I'm highly amused to see people suggesting legal action over such a silly complaint as this though.

MrL_JaKiri 5 Nov 2005 14:10

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood
Hahaha intellectual property. Now dante will actively work towards your collective deaths as opposed to just wishing it :(

Dante actually explicitly supports the position of SA in all of this. He said that he opposed the selling of other peoples IP - he was fine with it when there was no personal gain involved, but not when it was for the purpose of making money.
Lowtax himself didn't create any of the content, it's all done by the forum goons - who aren't particularly pleased about their hard work going unrecognised, even when they put in a request.
Noone would particularly care, but Ebaum has literally made millions of dollars from this website, and is held up in the print media in america (when this kind of thing is mentioned at all) as a genius who's the best business man in the world, or somesuch.

The reason that noone's been sued yet is twofold.
1. Ebaum's rich (due to his site), the goons are not.
2. It's difficult to prove that you created the image, even with watermarks.

Maybe a class action suit will come along, but for the moment there's not really much anyone can do.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks
I know nothing of anything recent, but based on other things I've read about similar incidents I'd bet heavily on it being a bunch of idiotic wankers thinking they are being terribly clever/hilarious while in actuality they stoop to now lows of puerile stupidity.

Their "shenanigans" will be funny to no-one except the moronic cheerleaders that occupy respective forums who have nothing better to do but maturbate (both literally and figuratively) over the idea of such hilarious japes as sending pictures of someone's house to them, or something like that. Ocassionally it might turn into something more serious but that does not but escalate the patheticness and banality of the whole affair.

If there was any justice at all they'll all die slow and agonising deaths.

But like I say, I have no real idea.

I thought you were better than jumping to stupid conclusions.

Dante Hicks 5 Nov 2005 14:18

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri
Dante actually explicitly supports the position of SA in all of this. He said that he opposed the selling of other peoples IP - he was fine with it when there was no personal gain involved, but not when it was for the purpose of making money.

It depends what you mean here.

I'd like ALL copyright law to be completely 100% revoked. So if I've written a novel and you want to take copies of it, scrub off my name and write your own and sell those copies as your own work on the street you should be able to do so legally. That is freedom, in my opinion.

Morally of course taking credit for other people's work is disgusting, but that's another matter - insulting someone whose mum has just died is pretty shit too, but I don't think it should be illegal to do so, and you shouldn't be able to respond with violence (of the online or physical variety).

If it is a DDOS type attack in response then it confirms my previous comments (although as I said, they were regarding previous incidents). Personally if someone was making money off my work then I'd be pleased that my meme had spread, rather than throwing my toys out of the cot about it, but hey that's just me.

p.s. I've never seen a good photoshop "gag", ever.

MrL_JaKiri 5 Nov 2005 14:22

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks
If it is a DDOS type attack in response then it confirms my previous comments (although as I said, they were regarding previous incidents). Personally if someone was making money off my work then I'd be pleased that my meme had spread, rather than throwing my toys out of the cot about it, but hey that's just me.

The DDOS attack was by the person who had taken the images, not by the people who had made them.

I seem to remember saying you found it distasteful to use the IP of other people to make money, but that could have been T&F or another one of this forum's merry band.

Nusselt 5 Nov 2005 17:25

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Do these people that are upset on SA use the SA forums as a means to distribute or talk about distributing copyrighted media (mp3s etc) either in the music or porn form?

The core of the complaint seems to be 'daddeh he gottaa rich offa meee' well the internet is indeed a bitch that eats its own children.

Dace 5 Nov 2005 17:42

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JonnyBGood
How misleading :(



Quote:

Originally Posted by radium on SA's GBS
I ran to the grocery store and when I came back, the forums were down. Apparently eBaumsworld was using their own visitors to attack us using a couple lines of javascript.

So to review:
1) Lowtax complains about eBaum taking images off of SA, adding their own watermark and using them on their site.
2) eBaum ignores emails asking them to remove this stolen content.
3) Lowtax posts a thread in SA forums explaining the situation and telling users to complain to eBaum about it.
4) SA users post threads on eBaum forums asking the stolen content to be removed.
5) eBaum ignores these threads and still does not remove the stolen content.
6) eBaum contacts our ISP claiming we are instructing our users to attack their site.
7) We specifically tell our users NOT to attack their site, even though our content is still not removed.
8) eBaum puts malicious javascript on their site to attack us.
9) Content still not removed.

So what was this "attack"? Nothing interesting. It's pretty obvious what's happening when you see tons of referer headers flying around like this:

Code:

0070  2a 2f 2a 0d 0a 52 65 66 65 72 65 72 3a 20 68 74  */*..Referer: ht
0080  74 70 3a 2f 2f 65 62 61 75 6d 73 77 6f 72 6c 64  tp://ebaumsworld
0090  2e 63 6f 6d 2f 76 69 64 65 6f 73 2f 6d 61 79 6f  .com/videos/mayo
00a0  6d 75 6e 63 68 65 72 2e 68 74 6d 6c 0d 0a 41 63  muncher.html..Ac
00b0  63 65 70 74 2d 4c 61 6e 67 75 61 67 65 3a 20 65  cept-Language: e
00c0  6e 2d 75 73 0d 0a 55 73 65 72 2d 41 67 65 6e 74  n-us..User-Agent
00d0  3a 20 4d 6f 7a 69 6c 6c 61 2f 34 2e 30 20 28 63  : Mozilla/4.0 (c
00e0  6f 6d 70 61 74 69 62 6c 65 3b 20 4d 53 49 45 20  ompatible; MSIE

This is nothing new, and we've had it happen here before. ebaumsworld put this javascript in their pages, which causes your browser to make requests to our server when loading their page:

Code:

<script>
a=new Image();a.src="http://archives.somethingawful.com/index.php";
a=new Image();a.src="http://archives.somethingawful.com/search.php";
a=new Image();a.src="http://archives.somethingawful.com/member.php?action=loginform";
</script>

Luckily, everyone knows that's easy to fix with a mod_rewrite rule. It's such a cheap attack, it's really sad that a site that large would actually use it. Then again, I'm surprised a site this large runs on stolen content, so why not?

Using your visitors to DDOS another site after ripping off said site's content is pretty much the lowest of the low. I could never see myself posting malicious code on my employer's website exploiting our own visitors and still have the balls to cash my paycheck.


etc

MrL_JaKiri 5 Nov 2005 17:59

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nusselt
Do these people that are upset on SA use the SA forums as a means to distribute or talk about distributing copyrighted media (mp3s etc) either in the music or porn form?

SA has no filesharing forums, and even should they exist they wouldn't be used for direct profiteering.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nusselt
The core of the complaint seems to be 'daddeh he gottaa rich offa meee' well the internet is indeed a bitch that eats its own children.

The complaint tends to be "He claims my work as his own, and refuses to give credit when it's requested". The fact he's made millions of dollars is more of an aside.

Nusselt 5 Nov 2005 18:15

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri
SA has no filesharing forums, and even should they exist they wouldn't be used for direct profiteering.

Im willing to assume the people who created those pictures/files have on their computer harddrives copyrighted material which they did not purchase. They may not have profited from it, but they did steal it.


Quote:

The complaint tends to be "He claims my work as his own, and refuses to give credit when it's requested". The fact he's made millions of dollars is more of an aside.
If the money isn't the issue, i don't see why they're so upset. They have recognition amongst their peers, they know and their friends know who created those images, they already have credit and epenis+1000000 for it.


To me it just looks like a childish spat whereby the members of an internet cult get upset that their work hasn't been recognised and that they haven't profited from it* whilst at the same time they and the internet at large is more than willing to deprive hardworking hollywood studios of their hard earned revenue.

* I think this is all to do with money, the residents of SA are upset that someone became wealthy. Now i don't support his methods, they may well be risque. BUT neither do i accept the cap in hand puppy dog stare that seems to be eminating from SA.

Once something exists on the internet, in a free and un-crypted form it is copied, passed on and multiplied a million times over. That is why we love the internet. If someone finds fools willing to pay for content, well so be it.

Phang 5 Nov 2005 19:31

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
I'm not overly favourable in my view towards SA, but there reaally are no positions one can take and be on baumann's side here.

SilverSmoke 5 Nov 2005 19:40

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
You used to be such a SA fanboy. what happened, your FYAD account never got accepted?

acropolis 5 Nov 2005 20:49

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
while it is perhaps fair to say that he is getting rich by being an asshole, on the other hand it's also then true that he is getting rich by being an asshole. i know plenty of people who do it for free, and it's hard to look more favorable on them then on someone who has a real reason.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Black Dog
A lot of people who have posted negatively clearly don't read somethingawful. The forums are so much more than GBS and the slightly puerile sense of humour. The photoshops alone far surpass anything this forum has come up even with in the halcyon days of 2000.

The Games, Sports Argument and Film forums have far more informed and mature discussions than you'll find on any similar forum, with a very active user base. .

kind of an odd comparison. alternatively comparing the sites purely in terms of the quality of the local browser based space warfare game, this site is infinitely superior (so i hear).

sa has a much larger user base, so obviously they pump out much more content; secondly 'that's what they do there.' this being a discussion forum, we pump out discussion*.

ps and, despite how some remember it, this forum was pretty crap in 2000. PLD YUO TEH BOMB!

*and i would argue that we do a good job of it

JammyJim 5 Nov 2005 20:51

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
To combat this hatred we (the gd users) should setup our own site. nick all of his content. put 'GD FORUMS' in the bottom right corner. and then get lots of advertising dudes to pay us money by undercutting ebaum.


then we can laugh at him.

Weeks 5 Nov 2005 20:58

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
dante will stab you in your face though.

MrL_JaKiri 5 Nov 2005 21:00

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nusselt
Im willing to assume the people who created those pictures/files have on their computer harddrives copyrighted material which they did not purchase. They may not have profited from it, but they did steal it.

No they didn't.

Yahwe 5 Nov 2005 21:40

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks
Morally of course taking credit for other people's work is disgusting, but that's another matter - insulting someone whose mum has just died is pretty shit too, but I don't think it should be illegal to do so, and you shouldn't be able to respond with violence (of the online or physical variety).

I believe discriminating against someone when recruiting for a job on the basis of skin colour is morally repugnant. I still realise that it is necessary to bolster this moral wrongness with a corresponding illegal act.

acropolis 5 Nov 2005 21:44

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MrL_JaKiri
No they didn't.

are you seriously claiming that none of the people who created any of the photoshops have any downloaded mp3s on their computers?

JonnyBGood 5 Nov 2005 21:44

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Firstly it's always about money. Second of all it's always about money.

I'm rather amused by your stance on this mark. Seeing as you don't view having copyrighted material on your hard drive as stealing I can only assume the perceived wrong here is the lack of credit given/profit made. Considering due to the way our legal system works, which I'm assuming you're opposed to given your expressed opposition to intellectual property, you cannot sell on copyrighted material without paying royalties to whoever credit is due for the creation of the work in question surely it would make more sense for ebaum not to give credit as then the wrong you are confronted with is some random sa users not getting credit from one particular guy as opposed to the wrong of intellectual property rights being enforced?

Anyways I'd like to see both website dissolve into the fabric of the internet because hay kids destruction rules okay :cool:

JonnyBGood 5 Nov 2005 21:46

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by acropolis
are you seriously claiming that none of the people who created any of the photoshops have any downloaded mp3s on their computers?

I assumed that meant he didn't consider having downloaded mp3s stealing as otherwise he would have said "no they haven't" as opposed to "no they didn't" and the only other alternative is that mark made an error in the construction of his sentence which might well cause the universe to implode so let's hope it's not that.

Kurashima 5 Nov 2005 21:50

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
Ebaumsworld is the most staggeringly shit site on the internet.

End of discussion.

SilverSmoke 5 Nov 2005 21:53

Re: Somethingawful vs ebaumsworld?
 
It's pretty simple. Imagine GD having some kind of creative graphical weekly contest, just for fun. Imagine some wanker with a rich dad steals all our content, put it on his site and makes an assload of money from it. Aside legal issues, we would be pretty pissed off.


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