Hey DDA where do you get your "gas" from?
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Doesn't say what the price of gas is.
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Here in Minnesota most of our oil comes from Canada. Other than the fact that our local tv stations are apparently required to air episodes of The Red Green Show in exchange, it's been otherwise terror-free.
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its freedom fries all over again. :rolleyes:
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damn terrorists why wont they just give us their oil and fuk off
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A teacher of mine in college who was a former navy man told us in business management class one day "We should just nuke Iran, pave it over, and turn it into the world's biggest self-serve for oil tankers. Just pull up, fill up, and get going."
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Presumably these people realise that if America were to boycott "Middle-Eastern" oil they would be violation of their agreements with OPEC. Meaning an oil shortage where the only thing moving faster than the rising price of gas would be the economy flowing down the drain.
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Oh god.
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We can't judge whether it is good or bad marketting until it succeeds or fails. Indeed one would imagine that provided the cost is not ridiculously prohibitive that it has at least some chance of success. |
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In one sense this is a good thing (in that it's a nice idea to avoid supporting regimes like those in the Middle East), however it remains fundamentally naive since there obviously isnt enough oil in the US and Canada to run the economy hence the only reason this scheme can work is because others are prepared to use Middle East oil instead. If every petrol station tried to adopt similar measures then petrol would cost about $1000000 for a gallon.
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I purchase my gasoline, on most occasions, from ARCO stations, a subsidiary of British Petroleum.
[God Bless the Queen!] Where you chappies get your oil from, the North Sea, or where ever, is all the same to me. I will, however, not go to a Citgo station (not a difficult decision as there are none in Stockton anyway) as it is Venezuelan oil. |
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Bloody Venezualans and their terrorist campaigns around the globe.
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As much as I respect your principled stance dda why on earth have you singled out venezuela from the myriad of human rights violating countries we have out there?
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Nice bit of making a profit from the current political situation IMO
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Yes i did .. but even so .. a few fruit loops who cant see that they are being played using what they think is a concience will use it and the owners will make a large profit
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You're all liberal trolls.
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trolls who let their children stay out late? or trolls who sit around all day dreaming of Gladstone? |
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For someone with an indian/french name I find this highly amusing ...
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I hope it explodes and kills everyone in a five mile radius to ensure anyone who might have contracted nationalistic retardation from proplonged exposure to such pollutants are exterminated.
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But I'm too lazy to actually do anything about it.
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Not when it comes to violence.
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And thats what you can do with petrodollars.... think of a wealthy Castro.... |
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Or are you talking about the one which took place 15 years ago and was a failure? Quote:
As for the Venezualan flag, where does it have his name on it? The changes which took place recently put the eighth star on and the coat of arms which does not have Chavez's name in it. Yes, the horse now points left instead of right....so what? Defence spending is a waste and I would prefer it if governments did not spend their resources on such things, but I would point out that Venezuala spends less of their GDP on it's military than Brazil and far less than the United States. To be honest your three "nasty things" are pretty feeble tbh, especially when viewed against the considerable gains in Venezuala which have been made in the provision of healthcare, literary programs, etc. Quote:
And besides what influence Venezuala does exert is a healthy counter-balance to the influence of the United States and Europe who traditionally have (at least tacitly) supported the old elites who have governed a region which despite considerable natural resources has grinding poverty for a good proportion of it's citizens. It's hilarious to hear people like Condoleezza Rice speak of Venezuala's interference with other countries affairs when the United States has thousands of occupying troops in other countries and has a long and shameful history in Latin America in particular of supporting which ever unsavoury regime is perceived to support their interests. As for the comparison with Castro, I agree upto a point (although one cannot over-simplify) but I would need see this as much of a criticism of Chavez. You speak of nazi's but to be honest your reaction sounds like it fits Leon Trotsky's definition of fascism as "the petty-bourgeois run amok". |
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Is it true? |
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When the Chinese became rambunctious about the notion of us selling heroin to millions of their people, we invaded their country, massacred the shit out of them, sank their painted barges, de-bollocked the imperial government's tax collectors, and forcibly annexed Hong Kong, together with it's many and various types of nubile and subtle ladyboys. *hohobuusuduu*
I implore the Saudi government to follow our example and consider a similar course of action in this instance. The continuity of global trade must be maintained. |
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I'm surprised that they're even buying it from a Franco-homosexual country like Canada, tbh. Although Canada is a white country lead by a right-winger so perhaps they're borderline 'okay.' |
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What seems generally true to say is : - There are serious restrictions on freedom of the press in Venezuala (even when going by the standards of the developing world). It would not be an exaggeration to say such restrictions are basically criminal. - Restrictions on the freedom of the press (aside from the violence, etc) include in particular new laws on "social responsibility" in the media and other restrictions on defaming the government or somesuch. Chavez has said publicly he would not use such powers, but one hardly takes a potential tyrant at his word. - Such restrictions have got worse over the last five years or so. In the Reporters sans frontiers ranking Venezuala dropped from 77th (already pretty poor) to 115th (almost in the bottom 25% of all countries on earth). This by any standards is shockingly bad, and represents one of the worst in the region. In fact, of mainland South America there are only two countries scoring worse in 2005. - Restrictions on the press are probably part of a much wider problem with human rights abuses - in particular persecution on political grounds. These have been documented by Amnesty International, the Organisation of America's and Human Rights Watch among others. Some of this violence can be blamed on the "usual" Latin American problems - the local bosses, heavy handed and often corupt policing, corruption in the government and so on. Venezualan police have been linked to at least a hundred murders in the last couple of years from the little I've read. To put this in context, the Brazilian police are alleged to have killed (not murdered I hasten to add so not a direct comparison) approximately 1,100 people in 2003 in the state of Rio alone (which has about 50-60% of the population of Venezuela). - However, other instances of violence can be squarely attributed to Chavez and his supporters. The US State department say that Chavez's supporters were involved in threats, assaults, vandalism, arson, intimidation of journalists and other forms of violence(although I can find no allegation of murder). Since a large proportion of these political murders do not seem to get properly investigated, it is fair to say that the central government certainly can be considered responsible for much for this violence (against journalists and other activists). - The media is overwhelmingly in the hands of a wealthy elite, both native and foriegn. On the whole, they still operate - albeit with interference and restriction as mentioned above. They are generally hostile to both Chavez and his politics. Overall it's worth noting that the largest television stations and newspapers are in the hands of "the opposition". - In the 2002 anti-Chavez coup the Venezuelan media (TV in particular) were generally supportive of the coup and of the strike which preceeded it - with it being alleged they went as far as censoring later demonstrations which were held to restore Chavez to power. I am not aware of any prosecutions for these actions. - Foriegn journalists still operate in Venezuela and foriegn media companies are still based in Venezuela. These include employees of Reuters, the BBC, CNN and others. Overall, I'd say no - there is not a media blackout. There are (for now) a host of sources of news on the country, both from NGOs, independent journalists, the opposition press, CNN and it's local offshoots, etc. A great many of these are critical of Chavez. However there are certainly serious restrictions of the freedom of the press which form part of a wider pattern of human rights abuses inside Venezuela (many related to Chavez). Are thay unacceptable? Absolutley. Could these get worse? Sadly yes. Are nations which are allies of the United States guilty of worse? Yes. Does this excuse Chavez? No, of course not. |
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Human rights be damned, I'm a Republican! |
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Chavez is raising a million man army to defend Venezuela from an imminent American invasion, according to him. He has militia marching around with wooden guns. When no American invasion materializes, what will he do with a million man army, I wonder. Watch out oil workers, copper miners, etc.
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Do we need a new Godwin's Law for the new millenium?
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Chaves still lives in that world. He thinks the US and the world gives a crap about his political views and he also thinks that there is another pole to go to (mother russia?) You seem to comprehend under developed countries as somewhat of a anoxic and static state of affairs where the riches **** up the poor, and they havent got a chance of turning the tides. I wish it was like that The problem is that every 30-40 years or so, someone thinks the current government is full of shit, and then he makes a military coup, or he wins the elections, or buy his way up the top, whatever, and when he reaches the top, he goes like 'everything done up to this day is shit and worthless, we will start from scratch' And off this person goes, destroyng the previous matrix of development before it sputters any significant growth. On and on. Like here in brazil. we got the indepedence, then the king ran away with all our money to Portugal. His son proceeds to destroy the jesuits, which cared a lot about building schools and taming the wilds, and then he gets kicked out in 1889, and in the 1930s the previous democratic government is overthrown, only to be obliteraded in 1946 due to its links with the nazi-fascist regime, proceeding to 1962, when we got a parlamentarist government with leftist intents, and then we got the infamous 1964 military right coup, only to be overthrown with the 1988 constitution. Every single of these changes involved fundamental changes in the way the state ran, the political axis was set, the scholar doutrination was prepared, the way our roads where paved and which position people made love. Thus, no measure that takes more than 4 years or so to be completed is done. Our capital city, Brasilia, had to be made in only 4 years. This translated to rampant corruption, absolute abuses in relation to budget laws, elemetal problems with infraestructure, and, of course, an insidious defict which, amongst other things, lead to our colapse and subsequential dictatorship. Note that brasilia was built by a democratic government. Hence, you gotta realise that politics, in developing countries, is 80% a tool to materialize one´s ambitions, and 20% measures to ensure the continuation of the government (good things). Britain had its share of revolutions. 1 in the last millenium, am I right? 1069 put aside we got the change of rulers, not the change of goverments. What if britain had something like five 1069´s each century? Welcome to developing nations! In conclusion, It does not matter if it is left, right, up, left down whatever. If our governments last more than one generation, we could stand a chance. Quote:
Its a political abomination, its an embarassement to the flag and to the country it represents, and a disgrace to the sense that government should attend to the concerns of the people, instead of a place for self promotion. Quote:
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May i add that these literary/educational programs are based on banning capitalist books and teaching the biased comunist doctrine? Quote:
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I didn't realise Hugh Chavez could rule by decree now actually. Because that has had such a storied and successful history in human affairs!
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I'd also add that this 30-40 year shift that you describe does not happen everywhere - in Mexico the PRI held power for seventy years. And conversely (continental) Europe has until recently suffered fairly calamtious politics too - the number of interstate wars alone from 1800 to 1945 being fairly impressive in number, and with it the number of collapses of the French government. But I'm not sure what all this has to do with Chavez. Quote:
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I was trying to say that he thinks he is 1961´s Cuba, and he tries to feel all too important about that, despite the fact that the US was willing to have a nuclear showdown about it, and today its hard to find a shred of evidence on the Us alleged support of the coup.
Im sorry but the putting name was a mistranslation of a portuguese term. I interpreted the 'lasting powers of the elites' as a statement that rich people would squander the resources on themselves, and not having a care in the world about the poor. To me it sounds like the ill fated term I used to describe the situation. I proceeded to explain that in south america it is not the case. Mexico is a different scenario. Collapses of the french government? I thought there was a hiatus in the napoleonic wars and then on WWII :S. Am i wrong? The reason for the unbalaced wealth generation has to do with us being catholic, and having pleasure in poorness and lack of interest in mundane things. This is slowly changing. It is vastly discussed and a lot better explained on Die protestantische Ethik und der 'Geist' des Kapitalismus. Blaming the élites for uneven income is as stale and unhelpfull as blaming rich countries for the existence of poor countries. When i said Quote:
I never lived with the Saudis, but i expect it to be a lot better than its counterparts, despite these nuisances, considering things like women walking around in normal clothing, having rights and etc. |
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to be honest, the only bit I think I've interpreted correctly is that you think Saudi Arabia the is least abhorrent Muslim country in the Middle East. Is that what you believe? |
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No, but its better than Iran..
I apologize, my english is very rusty. Any help on that would come in handy. I also have little time to write, which prevents me to order ideas in a more pleasant way. I also ask for your forgiveness |
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Not every government (or system of government) is worth keeping, some (e.g. apartheid South Africa) need to be abolished or overthrown. Change shouldn't happen for change's sake but when governments stand in the way of human progress then they should be dispensed with. Besides, your military dictatorship lasted twenty years. Wasn't that enough? Quote:
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Brazil is not a nation. Its a state. We got every kind of ethnic and political group of the world. We have no commom culture, we dont have any identity, folklore, whatever. We are not the US. All we got is our state. As I said earlier, A change of ruler meant a change of culture, identity, and the rebirth of the nation. We got a president that banned bikinis, public displays of affection and what not. And it was 1961! Many today think these are the very heart of our culture :confused: Think of our central government as Tito and the civils as a peaceful Yoguslavia. Still our differences are staggering. Most of our latin american counterparts still suffer from this issue. Can you single out a Cost rican from a Belizan? With that issue settled, I think now you can understand that if a change of government is able to change the face its subordinates, what to say about long term projects? They never happen. They never flourish. Real growth and distribution of wealth can only occur in a stable nation. Of course nothing is explained as simply as that, but it is one of the prerequisites. Quote:
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heres a nice pic of my country.
The impression that it is not the same country its true. Many nations in one State :( |
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