OiNK closed down...
...and a man from Middlesborough arrested!
BBC Story: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/e...es/7057812.stm IFPI's Statement: http://www.ifpi.org/content/section_news/20071023.html British and Dutch police have shut down a "widely-used" source of illegally-downloaded music. A flat on Teesside and several properties in Amsterdam were raided as part of an Interpol investigation into the members-only website OiNK. If you go to the offending website, http://oink.cd/, it says simply that it is closed and you should go to any news site to find out why. With 180k members (all criminals!), how many of you are naughty illegal downloaders from that site? On the upside, I guess you don't have to worry about your ratios any more! |
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Sucks, but life goes on. I'm sure I'll find another place to get my fix.
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That's quite interesting because tvlinks was shut down a few days ago too.
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Yeah, basically for linking to sites which in turn provide links which then enable you to get video files. From my limited knowledge of copyright law, linking to content is always allowed, let alone linking to links to content, so this would be a very shaky case.
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This is a large victory for the average musician. While we all know that the "big stars" can cope and probably don't notice the loss on earnings that illegal downloads brings them. How do you think the average musician feels when he / she relies on those royalty payments from sales to pay his / her mortgage or put food on their family's table? If you want an album - go out and buy it or download it from somewhere like iTunes. If you don't want an entire album, buy the bits that you do, again, from somewhere like iTunes & stop ****ing over the average Joe (like me) trying to make a living in the industry to put food on the table. While the large stars get paid an awful lot, those of us that record their music / set up their microphones / mix their sound so it's actually listenable get paid sod all. You're absolutely right when you download music that you're not skewing over the star on the front of the album, but you are the countless people who actually get that album recorded / produced and out for you to listen too. |
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Luckily, I don't manufacture grand explanations or theories about why I download music, just so I can feel good about myself. The fact that OiNK went down means I'll need to spend more time searching for the music that I want to listen to. So yeah, that sucks. I don't care about musicians, nor about producers, nor about record salesmen and I especially don't care about multinational record labels. I care about me. And I'm perfectly comfortable with that.
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Of course, this presumes that the obscure band in question are actually good (I can name more artists for whom I listened to the album once and then promptly deleted) but I doubt anyone's in the entertainment industry because they think they're crap at it. That's even assuming that downloading causes any sort of economic damage to the music industry at all, last I checked the drop in sales was consistent with the fall in revenue in other entertainment media. I have to say that I'm not a musician, but I am a writer - and if one of my scripts gets transmitted then the first thing I'd do would be to send copies to everyone, host it on torrent trackers and the like. Anything that gets more people to hear or see it is a good thing. [edit] Last time we had one of these threads I found some research that showed that proportionally more money was going to small artists than large artists since the rise of file sharing. |
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one of the last flailing grasps of a content industry that has lost its way.
The middlemen are no longer required, the artist can go direct ( like radiohead has done, and well played to them ) - yet they persist in clawing away at the walls in order to maintain their stranglehold position Its like what leia said to tarkin - the tighter you close your grasp - the more systems will slip through your fingers |
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The "once you have downloaded something you're not allowed to buy it by internet law" thing is an assumption which is really bizarre to me. |
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Oh and horn, Jakiri is in the process of co-writing a radio show (for Radio 4, I think?) and is being deliberately vague to annoy you (probly!). |
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free stuff is good; end of discussion
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Also, Jakiri's arguments are sound. If I was relying on what I could buy directly as the basis for my musical knowledge and taste then I would be utterly ****ed, as would, I imagine, the majority of the bands in question. I am sure that most of the bands I listen to regularly would not be where they are today were it not through a combination of word of mouth and downloads, leading onto more intensive fandom.
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The funny thing is, it's usually the people with the biggest wallets that complain the most, in this case the "big four" and their lackeys.
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While I'm guilty of having downloaded music (as I'm sure most of you are), it isn't simply a question of whether it's right or wrong. Places like Oink being removed mean that people are probably going to look elsewhere for their music. If other similar sites also get closed, then eventually people will look to itunes (etc) to buy music. While yes, CDs are pretty overpriced, buying them online is cheap - even for "poor" people, mz.
Ideally there should be a compromise - if people want to find out about bands to expand their music collection, there must be easier (and more legal!) ways to do it than downloading it using torrents. If that is your main argument for it, then I'm sure you're not alone and hopefully something will be done about it. |
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If so, why would you risk buying something crap when you can watch if for free first? Doesn't this then lead to money going to 'better' films/music/whatever rather than bands that put one good song with 11 'filler' tracks on a CD? |
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The generally mass-market stuff that is most easily found on iTunes is the stuff that can be most easily pirated, so all it does is punish the people who want things that can't be found elsewhere. Quote:
It got cut from TTD, which we stopped writing years ago because it was getting far too complicated. |
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Google for "define: writer". Which one are you? You didn't tell us :rolleyes: This is beside the point though. Let's not go off-topic...! |
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What was/is TTD? |
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writ·er (rī'tər) pronunciation n. One who writes, especially as an occupation. Seriously though, the only way you could get "coder" out of what I said was if you ignored everything apart from the word "script" and even then chose the wrong option. |
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Also we could never really settle on a plot which got all the ludicrous stuff in that we wanted. |
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horn, empty your PM box please but don't reply to the last one I sent you as I am sending you an additional clarification.
edit: (this is the clarification) I am talking of anal penetration in the previous context from a purely hypothetical perspective, for purposes of moral elaboration. So please, reply away, do. |
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Given that I've considered the issue many times and I still haven't come up with a compelling reason why I should stop violating intellectual property laws I just really don't see why I'd care.
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The argument is that artists can generate sales through exposure, which can be taken to be true (as the record companies assume it). Obscure artists, who don't get exposure otherwise, are benefitted by a file sharing community where they have music downloadable, whereas popular artists, who have huge amounts of exposure anyway, don't benefit as much. The question then is how many sales are then generated by this increase in exposure. The popular artists will have decreased sales figures, because some people who download their album will not buy it, and they don't get any better known. The obscure bands will, assuming the increased revenoo from exposure is not horribly low, be better off. Whether this is a zero sum game or not is open to debate. It may well be. Either way, it's a state of play that favours the small artist. |
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And no, it isn't - but right now it's not really likely. You'll also not find things like live performances of major bands distributed if they're not otherwise put on a CD or DVD. Quote:
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Sites like OiNK were/are making money (through donations on Paypal). If you're going to pay for music, then you should pay the artist (directly or indirectly). It's a real pity Radiohead aren't going to publish the figures they make for that "free" album - it's essentially a the OiNK style of music (free, but you can donate) but it goes to the artist rather than the guy running the website. |
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[quote]I didn't say we should stop free music :confused: Sites like OiNK were/are making money (through donations on Paypal). If you're going to pay for music, then you should pay the artist (directly or indirectly).[/qoute] Most of the money goes on upkeep of the site and I'd imagine the rest is going to go on lawyers fees. Quote:
Off-topic but I would like to see in major record stores 'listening stations' again. This is an aold idea but let's give it a 21st Century spin shall we? Most people nowadays have their own headphones with them most of the time. Have a digital jukebox (like they have in some pubs) so the shopper can listen to whatever album they like for free. This allows shoppers to know what they're getting before hand and if they like it they can go and get it straight away. Alternatively, they could be given the option of downloading a copy straight onto their MP3 player (unprotected versions, obviously) in whatever format they choose. |
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I've seen an average price of £4/download mentioned, with 1/3 of people paying nothing.
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wish i knew that guy :(
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