A request to angels HC
 

Needed:

One recruitment log for a 'elviz'.

Payment:

One beer ono.

Re: A request to angels HC
 

ill make that 2 beer + 10 roids

Re: A request to angels HC
 

1 beer and 15 roids?

Re: A request to angels HC
 

I'll make it better;

One recruitment log for a 'elviz'.

One recruitment log for a '1up BG'.

Payment:

Two beers whatever it is in the language you were on about.

Re: A request to angels HC
 

?

Re: A request to angels HC
 

Did i miss something :|

Re: A request to angels HC
 

What, I thought it was reasonably public already.

Re: A request to angels HC
 

whats a group of 1up players have to do with anything?

Re: A request to angels HC
 

Huh?

Didndt 1up leave?

Re: A request to angels HC
 

What does an ex-1up, ex-SubH, twice round winner, once closed off first place, have to do with anything?

Re: A request to angels HC
 

nothing to do with a group of ex 1up members, thats the point Im trying to make.

Re: A request to angels HC
 

Translation for the retards:


elviz tried to join Angels.
A 1up BG of unknown (to me) membership tried to join Angels.



It wasn't difficult to work out either :(

Re: A request to angels HC
 

one has nothing to do with the other.

Re: A request to angels HC
 

I'd hope Angels didn't accept him - given that his sole (pathetic) excuse for fence-sitting last round was that it was his last round playing. But I suspect tehy're so desperate to win this round that they'd recruir anyone (or anything) which could use the same IP most of the time on it's planet.

Re: A request to angels HC
 

Just in case anyone hasn't figured it out I think he's useless scum. Wouldn't want anyone to misunderstand my stance.

Re: A request to angels HC
 

is your stance based purely on last round?

Re: A request to angels HC
 

Largely, but not purely. The round before he'd napped Omen when we fought them - so I already had my suspicions.

Re: A request to angels HC
 

thats what your punk ass gets

Re: A request to angels HC
 

The 1up bg got in if I recall correctly, dunno bout elviz tho.
What I find weird though is how Sid keeps badmouthing elviz about his fencing and cheating, while all the rounds elviz played with 1up before elviz surely couldn't have been much different?

Re: A request to angels HC
 

The Elviz got in too, that's why all the fuzz.

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He is reacting this way because he feels like he has been used. Everyone knew about Elviz except sid it seems. I mean, look at Elvis round 12. He displayed his character throughout the round. No honor, attacking the same people all the time, he got a planet nap and never helped his alliance. He quit like a baby after we fleet caught him and cocteau. Then he cheated with his pal cypher.
Then Sid turned around and let him soak up all of 1up defence for multiple rounds.
Then Elviz just shitted on him.
I would be pissed too.

Re: A request to angels HC
 

Apparently not then.

Re: A request to angels HC
 

I was aware of that, my point is more like, wasn't Sid just looking the other way? Maybe because elviz was of a greater benefit to 1up, untill he really went too far and was in the way of alliance politics (where him cheating wasn't.)? Looks quite hypocritical to me...

Re: A request to angels HC
 

The problem that while what Chika says is all well and good (and I think it's true too), no one could prove anything.

Re: A request to angels HC
 

Personally I wonder what anyone could think a man who, if you're going to get into a fight for #1, is probably going to NAP your number one enemy could add to your alliance. Such players are a luxury at best and a liability at worst. The whole point of alliance military strength is fleet power times activity, if you're going to have someone who doesn't use his fleet to support you you're not only decreasing your military strength, you're increasing the amount of potential incoming towards your other planets. This is why some wars, which seem evenly matched by just looking at scores, end up ridiculously one-sided. You have an alliance of 60 planets fighting an alliance with effectively 30 planets.

Maybe he's a reformed man willing to dedicate two months of his life to the greater glory of angels and sacrifice any possible personal success along the way to further the common goal. And maybe Ascendancy have DCs this round!

Re: A request to angels HC
 

elviz NAPed omen to indicate a general unwillingness to alter widely condemned methods of playing I guess! And all this was ofcourse getting in the way of the hidden cabal manipulating PA (pateam, sid and the 1up hc, elviz/cypher/whoever else was in that circle.)

Besides that, zzhou actually set up a command team for this round, didn't you hear yet? I kindly refused to HC alongside with him though, so he's on his own on that one.

Re: A request to angels HC
 

Theres only one thing i cant understand, this game in my opinion and everyone elses including all the superstars of PA :), play this game for one reason The community.

I know im not the best player in the world but i play becasue fo the people, how can elviz enjoy this game as much as we do when all he does is look after himself and crap on other people even if you win your on your own as theres no one to congratulate you. Pretty Shallow Victory

I know people have accused other alliances Like 1up, Exil and the likes in the past of being selfish but they have a community and care for "their" fello players

Whatever happens with Eliv no one really cares that much when all he has done is use and abuse people. Hell run out of friends soon

Re: A request to angels HC
 

He Pretty much ran out of friends a good while ago, but that is beside the point.

It seems a little hypoctritical of Sid to be complaining about him planet napping Omen, when in effect Sid implemented a policy long ago of planet napping the top planets to avoid incoming from them and thus weaken the potential threat to the 1up planets at or near the top.

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This is a nice incentive to play, for the community.

I'm just sobering up, and I have a feeling this will be a long post, and off topic at that. PLease bear with me...

I remember when i first started playing these games, how my motivations to keep going were back then. I tell you, they were very different from now. Everything was shiny and new, and (oh my!) you got to know new people every day, both friends and foes alike. The game in itself was such a large motivation to play, that I got myself tangled into it so far that I started (Or stopped) sleeping less. I am shamed to admit that at one point, when I was younger, it seemed to me that PA/clones was one of the most important things for me, ever. Back then I had no idea how much it would detoriate, that people would quit and leave us each and every round, and there would be more disasters and scandasl than successes. Partly this was because I found myself unable to see small things such as succesfull landings and losing rounds fun, as successes anymore, my goals grew as I kept playing, and also narrowed. Due to the time I spent, "having fun", became less important than "winning", and making new friends became less important than keeping the old ones.

I always managed to keep the goals a little less selfish than many other people here did though, and played for galaxy, or buddypack and I gave everything I had as an officer several rounds, and I have even gone as far as to HC. The motivation had moved away from the new shiny game with all the people in it, to the small alliance / galaxy groups that wanted to win. That is a shame, really, as I believe I could have had far more fun playing casual and going random, meeting new people all the time, than I have playing hardcore for several rounds. But at the same time, the alliance and small groups of friends I gained, have beeen keeping me here, while I am sure I would have grown bored of casual play, and moved on to other games soon. As a consequense, I no longer consider myself much of a part of the PA community, rather a part of the small groups of friends that I have here. If I was to be given a survey about communities online, I would have placed both NiNEONE, OuZo, Angels and excessum before PA. Now, you can say that these groups are a part of the greater community that is the planetarion community, but that's not really so. Not to me, not anymore.

Now, this means I am not playing for the greater community, or any great good, not for morales and for fun. I play for friends, and only the closest friends. It is pretty selfish to take the rest of the greater community entirely out of my equations (though, I haven't removed myself totally from it), but it is the only thing that works for me now. I am sure that a lot of other people feel the same way. The difference between me, and some of those people you call "superstars", is that many of them have even more narrow goals, and not the same motivation to play. As I understand it, elviz is one such case where planetrank and galaxyrank has got precedence over alliance rank, and friendship outside his close circle of friends has not been prioritized. Therefore, he might not feel very bad if he betrays those who are not in his closest circle. People who remove themselves so totally from the community, will go much farther to reach their goals than others.

Some of those means can be betrayal, backstabbing, cheating, dishonorable, and other things that are generally frowned upon by the community that consider the people to be a part of it. Some will accept cheating, but not betrayal, some will accept betrayal but not cheating, some will not accept things they see as dishonorable. They have every right not to accept them. The EULA states that cheating is not allowed in the game, and most people consider a dagger in their back to be quite shit. However the community has been, as long as I remember, closing itself in many ways, there are small groups you become a part of, and you alienate yourself from the rest of the community. Your loyalty lies with your alliance, or with your friends. If you are to do something that does not hurt either of those two groups, or if you don't consider your alliancematers to be friends, you would not hesitate as much as if you were truly a part of them.

I'm trailing far off now, but I will try to close in a little again... Now, some people will instantly go mad and will never forget a shipjump or otherwise something they consider a backstab. They will hate these actions a lot, and they will not trust unknown people much at all, for fear of experiencing the same again. I consider myself one of those people, I have experienced far too many stabs in my back to see lightly upon it, and I hesitate to give my trust to people I don't truly know. Others might have more issues with cheating, typically someone who got ****ed over because of cheating will hate all cheaters and refuse to work with them. Having issues with this is well acceptable, right? Noone should be forced to work with someone they do not trust, or someone they dislike because of their past actions. Unfortunately, there are always someone who have to. There will always be a place in alliances for active players, even if some alliances will remain closed to them. Not everyone will like that they have to work with someone they don't trust, or someone they strongly dislike, and this might lead to internal rift in the alliance, or otherwise awkward situations. This makes the small groups where the trust is complete even more tightly knit together, and even harder to get into. Finally, I'll say that I have worked with people who have cheated, and with shipjumpers both, and very often I didn't like it. I hate shipjumpers more than cheaters though, because I have never been raped by cheating, but several times by shipjumping and spying... (Does obviously not mean that I think cheating is ok).

Tell me truly, considering all this - do you really think that everyone who play this game plays it for the community? Or for their own small community...

Because of the nature of these groups, I don't think we will see a great increase in the playerbase. People don't play because the game is shiny and new anymore, they play because their close friends play.

My head is feeling heavy and I have a feeling I just wrote a whole lot of nothing. I spent a good ten minutes trying to remove typos, but there are bound to be some still, please bear with me, I'm not feeling very well :(

Anyway, good luck with the round everyone.

Re: A request to angels HC
 

Well, yes, so what do Angels imagine they're getting?

I'm pretty sure he usually thanks the gutless wonders in the end of round ceremonies.

Re: A request to angels HC
 

I wouldnt know, I make it a policy never to be in the channel when he and his ilk are measuring their respective e-penises against each other. Also I hate gushing and to listen/read the purile rubbish that spews forth is beyond endurance.

Re: A request to angels HC
 

Well, that's just downright mean. Anyways hypocrisy in sid's case would have to be criticising alliances who accept planet-NAPs rather than merely criticising planets who accept planet-NAPs.

Re: A request to angels HC
 

erm...

If a planet naps (ie: elviz) naps with Omen then that is bad ?

But if 1up nap with a Planet (any other) then that is ok ?

I fail to see the difference?

Re: A request to angels HC
 

Planet NAPs are good for the alliance that hands them out, good for the planet that takes them and bad for the alliance whose planet accepts them. As such it may be a good idea to offer them and a bad idea to have members who take them. Much like it'd be nice to have planets in the opposing alliance who suicide their fleets all the time but not so good if you have planets in your own alliance who suicide their fleets all the time.

Re: A request to angels HC
 

Never spoken to the guy myself that i can remember, he plays from what i can tell within his own set of morals, rather than the set of rules his alliance plays by, his choice... his wins... his closures.. maybe he feels this is the only way to play and win.
If it is he has my pity.


But on a better note --- at least hes not TP :-)

Re: A request to angels HC
 

My point was it is hypocritical for an alliance to complain about planet naps of their own members, whilst quite happily seeking them from others.

Re: A request to angels HC
 

Sid has always made it quite clear in that he likes them when other top players nap his alliance, but dislikes them when his own players do them.

He has also always made it quite clear that players will be kicked when caught napping.

Thats not hypocritical, thats common sense. Its gonna be much better if your biggest enemies wont fight you.

He has also made it quite clear to anyone who wants to listen, of his feelings and reasoning, and that when other planets accept naps with Sid, it helps Sid.

And yes, he always thanks them in the end of round speeches.

Seems perfectly valid to me. Why shouldn't he have an easier ride when his enemies are gutless? And why should he expect his own players to give the enemy an easier ride?

Re: A request to angels HC
 

I still consider Elviz a friend.

;)

Re: A request to angels HC
 

no he didn't. he has plenty, as he really is a pretty decent internet personality aside some uselessness to his alliance!

OF COURSE sid would complain of it; he was fine with it as long as it benefits him ONLY.. like many hc i should hope.

Re: A request to angels HC
 

I had no clue about this

I blame not having internet at my new place for 2/3 weeks.

Re: A request to angels HC
 

Because as a result, the game is becoming turd.

Re: A request to angels HC
 

That's not the only reason though.

Re: A request to angels HC
 

I'd have thought Angels would accept him because at the end of the day he's pretty good at getting a high score (albeit through dubious methods...) and that's what an alliance needs - high scores - to get to a higher rank :confused:

Re: A request to angels HC
 

Elviz wasn't kicked when he got caught napping. He continued as a member of 1up to the next round. I see a flaw here.

Re: A request to angels HC
 

Says it all really, the biggest known cheat in the history of Planetarion is his friend.

Does elviz agree with this I wonder ?

Re: A request to angels HC
 

Which makes him exactly what I said, a hypocrite.

You either agree that planet/allie naps are acceptable for all or you take the view that they are not acceptable.

To take the view that it is ok as long as we (my allie and I) has the benefit makes a person nothing more than a self centred egotistical tw@t

Oh did I mention that Sid agrees it is good if it suits him and his alliance ?

Re: A request to angels HC
 

ehm please don't make such stupid assumptions

edit: and what is wrong with sid liking it to benefit him and only him?

Re: A request to angels HC
 

Elviz really never was much of a def drain, except in extreme situations later in rounds, but very rarely... when you got 120 mil in resources stockpiled ppl tend to stay away

Re: A request to angels HC
 

Sid never really look the other way towards any member (the Storebo thing for example) he was equally fair, and applied the same conditions to everyone

Re: A request to angels HC
 

one of the jokes I heard once had something to do with opening a channel called #spineless to sign up the planet naps LOL