The Big blackout and the consequences
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Sorry for messing your game for 1 day. It wasn't our intention to break the game nor are we responsible for it. So what happened? About 3 days ago 10:6's gal fund became bugged. We have no clue but suddenly we had a negative amount of metal shown in galaxy fund. The amount was something like -1.700.000.000. At first we thought it was a simple display error. I also mentioned this in alliance channel and in #planetarion but as this is my very first encounter with a bug I haven't done anything else because I thought it's a minor bug. 2 days ago ( 06/21 ) we found out that you can exchange crystal and eonium into metal without having any metal in galaxy fund. This was found by me because as a terran player I was in need of metal all the time so I tried this with the negative metal amount in fund - and it worked. We basically were like national states, which can make depts as they wish. As PA teams internal records will confirm, I only changed metal 1 time when galaxy fund was broken. I reported this immediately to Appocomaster via PM on netgamers. Check this LOG. Quote:
Again I pmd Appocomaster. Joseph, my dear galmate also pmed him. Check here and here. Quote:
At this point half the gal was asleep. Pdmaster, our GC was also asleep. We already had 1 emo inactive :p which left 3 of us in gal chan - Xoca, Joseph and me. Those planets we donated didnt knew we did this. About 4-5 ticks later our gal get the first incs, but ticks were still running. The people we donated got online, and because we knew ticks were going to stop we didn't send out a pa mail not to use the ressources. They did what 99% of all planetarion players would do - they spent the ressources. When my first incomming fleets was eta 3 an admin finally read our mails and stopped ticks. Until there we organised defense without putting the production stuff into calculation. We organised defense like always and even emoed about the lack of defense in alliance channels. We cross defended and used all our fleets. The production never was meant to defend us as we gambled on a tick stop much earlier and a cancel of production. Our galmates who put those ressources into production weren't able to cancel the production because the ticks were stopped. So now we are at the point where those planets are being closed by the head multihunter Ace which does an Ace job being not objective. When I read Spinner's thread about his experiences in PA I laughed and shake my head. Now the same thing happens to us. We were accused of abusing the bug. We were marked as cheater. Note that only those were accused that received the ressources, not those who donated them. It's like accusing somebody who bought a stolen cell phone over ebay not knowing it was stolen but letting the seller run away. As this happens the first time to me I am not sure about the procedure but I thought that incomming fleets to closed planets are recalled - they weren't. Even if we manage to keep those planet unclosed they were messed because the incs went on when they still was closed. pdmaster lost half his fleet to a zik when he was still banned. At this point our gal was dead. Our motivation and hopes are broken. Let me state my point of view on this: - we never intended to cheat - we never caused this bug on purpose - we never told our galmates that we donate metal to them - we never refused reporting this, we reported this as soon as we saw it - if we wanted to abuse and cheat we would have let those incomming hostiles pass and rebuild our stuff with this bug being unnoticed Now what happened really? We got closed for not abusing and cheating. We got closed for reporting a bug. We got closed for our decision not to hide this bug bug to help improving the game. We got closed for PA Teams ignorance to bug reports. As i heard in #planetarion this bug was known for 2 rounds. I wonder myself how many people abused this bug and never reported it. Be honest to yourselves, would you report this or use little neat donations every day? I think 90% would say they'd abuse - WE DIDN'T. I understand that people accuse us to cheat. I understand that not warning our planets not to use ressources was a mistake. But I fully can't understand the arguments brought to us by Ace, saying we get closed because we didn't use the in game report button which I never heard of. If we wanted to cheat we wouldn't have acted like this. We would have used small amounts which stay unnoticed by anyone to rebuild our stuff and get even bigger. We are not that dumb to sacrifice our hidden cheating skills on just 1 night of incommings. If we had malicious intentions we never would have acted like this. You know how a cheater acts and you know that a cheater would never report his cheats BEFORE doing them. I fully apologize from PA community for the long downtime. Again - we never intented to do so! This being said I have to announce my parting from planetarion unless our gal gets payed off for the losses caused by this wrong closing of planets. Ace's decisions destroyed our gal. Let me state this again: I am not closed. I could go on with my game and still finish t50. I just lost my roids today which can be easily regained. Nevertheless I will depart if PA team doesn't fix this. There is no way I will go on playing after messing my great galaxy. So I really hope PA team repays the ship losses so we can go on. This only applies ofc if all planets stay open. A single one getting closed will lead to losing 7 paying customers which you don't care about I'm sure as this game is already dying. |
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The main problem I have with it is this:
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Also, I think you're wrong when you say 90% would have abused it. I'm sure quite a few might have tried to get away with it at first, but with 7+ others able to see the galaxy fund (and therefore notice something is off) someone would've reported it, either from the galaxy itself or someone who heard about it via that galaxy (people can't keep such things secret for very long). edit1: Removed some irrelevant stuff edit2: Removed too much first time apparently! |
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You knew something was wrong, yet you still acted in a way that lead to the game being closed. Had you not donated a huge amount, there would have been no reason to close the game. Had you not used those resources after you (unnecessarily) tested the limits, there would have been no reason to close the game. But you did. Case closed. |
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it looks more of a case of the 'should-haves'
they should have mailed their galm8s and told them not to use the res. but they didn't. it's also a case of assuming makes an ass out of u and me :P because they assumed that ticks would be stopped before the res was used. and it wasnt. |
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To be fair, this bug still would have required the game to be closed to allow for the bug to be fixed.
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i'm ok with the ticks being stopped.. but the failure to freeze fleets i'll agree was unfair. i don't think it was done on purpose but a simple rollback and correction could fix it couldn't it?
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If I logged on and noticed the resources I needed to cover my incs had mysteriously appeared I'd be pretty sceptical. Or are your galmates actually complete idiots?
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I'm just going to lift out a few key phrases and comment on them.
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As for the MoD, he certainly knew he was abusing a bug and it would be quite just if he stayed closed. Quote:
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I assume that's the "support" tab in the in-game interface? Heck, even my ADHD ass found it when I was looking for where to report something last round. It's not as if it's behind a ton of menus and shit.
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Edit: Yes, I see the support tab, but somehow never really noticed it not tried to report bugs through it. |
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For the record I also find it really hard to understand why 10.6 donated tons of resources to 4 different planets and then spent it. |
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For the greater good.
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You paid for this game??? lulz! I'd probably pay if the money went to appoco or someone who gave a shit!
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You all accuse us of abusing gal funds by donating. This shows you still don't understand the case. Donatin 50 million to planets was NOT I repeat NOT the reason why some of our planets have been closed. So please stop labeling us as cheater with this argument as it is not right. We got closed for putting those ressources into production.
So please focus your attention on this argument when you try to label us as cheaters, don't use the wrong one again :) And tbh I don't care if you believe me that those planets were offline when they got donations. If you actually READ what I wrote you will see that we detected that bug 3 days ago but didnt know you can donate, we just thought it was a display error. Please think a little more before puttin your fingers on your keyboard. Also PA admins will confirm that there was no login from those planets at the time we donated stuff or hours before that. So please stop moaning about that too as it doesnt matter if you believe it or not - we have everything recorded and thus your personal opinion gets utterly crushed by real facts. The fact that there was no need for a thread like this and that our planets didn'T get closed for the matter you cry about proofs that your flaming about us is nothing more than a personal flame with absolutely no content. |
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I'm sorry, but spending the resources has bugger all to do with anything.
50m resources is still, what... 333k value? Going up to 500k after spend? You mean to tell me if you hadn't spent that res the MH would have been totally fine with a 333k score gain from a bug? |
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Thanks Korsan for the biggest load pish I have read on the forums in a long time. I totally agree with Pat, JBG and Mz... that you knew about the bug and still decided ... XXXX it. I still question your motives for "testing."
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So donating is not a justification for closing a planet, no matter how hard you guys try to make it look like it. |
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Why not present us with some more "real facts" that prove how you didn't cheat.... |
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Anyway I have said everything I wanted in my initial post. I don't want to quote myself all the time. I do understand that especially ASC is pretty angry about this because it was their attack that almost got canceled. But please do not leave out your frustration at me. You all know a cheater wouldn't act like this - yes, you know! |
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You can't delete somebody for receiving donations if they have no idea of wtf is going on, but the resources will certainly be taken away again. The fact that you spent the resources shows intent to abuse a bug, which is why you've been closed. If you HAVE resources, ofc they're "spendable". Receiving the resources there endeth the limits of your "testing", whilst staying true to your intentions. Your very actions have infact proved how full of shit that you are, and I can't believe you have the audacity to try and argue your case. If you'd just shut the **** up and taken it on the wrists then that would be one thing, but now by claiming your nonsensical innocense you're just pissing everybody off. Stop pissing everybody off. |
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I do find it hard to believe you actually intended to cheat using this bug due to the sheer obviousness of it. My most reasonable assumption is that you were almost 100% sure nobody would get closed for it and thought there was a small chance that you'd either be able to keep the res or the spending would force recalls/get the raid on your gal canceled somehow. Realistically nothing else makes sense. |
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i think what korsan is trying to say is... y not? game was screwed anyways. everything after the bug being this was just playing around. it couldn't and wouldn't have lasting effects on anyone. Just more work for the mh to clean up. Which is kinda funny ;-P they need something useful to do anyways.
Pdmaster shouldn't have lost his fleet tho. It was reported and no one should care tehy donated to gal members as about 3 ticks b4 that it was broken. it was a easy fix to return the planets back to normal size. People just need to stop bitching. Game had to be closed anyways as the code was ****ed. |
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i think asc members are most confused at why you actually reported it... just didn't abuse it until someone else found out ;-D Then they can get the shit stick and you can flame them on the boards.
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No, the game did not have to be closed. As I have repeatedly pointed out now.
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1. I don't understand why you had to make all the effort of posting that long 1st post to justify yours, and your galmates actions.
2. Why would those that recieved tons of metal by donations, actually bother to trade with universe tax (25%) to even out the resources? (no intentions of cheating?) 3. Claiming that point 2. was in good knowledge and belief that the game would be stopped and rolled back because of this bug, was the reason you guys chose to "test it" this far. Sounds utterly stupid. I could say a lot more, but seriously you lost all my respect when you chose to make this thread to justify your actions. |
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So why exactly are you complaining about this? Maybe you just noticed you never had the nuts to do the same when you know that all forum trolls will slap you? If you read again you will also realize that this was an apology from PA community for the caused downtime. So hard to understand? And please excuse me if I put a breeze of justification in it as it is my galaxy that got messed which we all spent weaks for. |
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Haha you keep making funny comments. The reason why i'm complaining is, like any other paying PA player, I play because i enjoy the game. Not because i'm waiting for oppertunities to exploid bugs. And if I could exploid one, I sure as hell wouldn't. 1. Pa - Team can see every click you've made ingame if they want. 2. Cheaters are bound to be busted, either because they tell someone that passes it on and so on, or because it will be noticed by others without that you tell anyone. 3. Untill you get humble enough to actually apologize without justifying things, then I will stop complaining. |
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1. Pa Team can see every click. They checked it. I HAVEN'T BEEN CLOSED! Do you get it now? I haven't been closed! Not for cheating, not for abusing not for anything! Do you know get it? If not, please tell me so I can draw a picture and send an email to you so you understand it at the end. 2. Yes exactly. But after reading my response to 1, can you then please explain why you lost respect for me when I never got closed for anything? Please explain. 3. I don't need to follow your guidelines. I am not your son, buddy. Go and tell others how to write on forums. You just came here and spent your very first forum post to troll about something you don't even fully understand, even after explaining it like 10 times (here and it channel). Do I need to say anything else? In case you didn't get it. Korsan (me) didn't get closed. Got it now? |
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lol lol lol :D
Why are you the only one in your gal then to complain? And why did you feel that you were obliged to make this thread in the first place? Yeh yeh, keep posting those excuses that you make, and thank "god" you are not my son. |
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Let me reply to this as well, as I am the one most affected.
the main grudge Ace used against me/us was spending the resources. As Korsan said, I was not actively involved in what happened the night before, and was asleep when they donated. So, I woke up, first thing I noticed was that I went up 70 spots in the rankings. Then I saw 50 mil resources. I ignored them at first and continued to try arrange defence for 1,5 hours. I realised these resources already wouldn't go unnoticed. so basically for fun I spent the resources. That's all. that's it.. that's why I got closed. I didn't plot with my galmates about abusing any bug. and I understand they reported it. Funny thing is, the MOD didn't get closed... LOL I feel very unfairly treated and will quit planetarion. This MH team is a disgrace. The process has been more or less 'you are closed, you can argue as much as you want, it won't help' power abuse. |
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Ok, that explains a bit. Well sad that the MoD didn't get closed then, looks like he deserved it imo. Scheme or no scheme, he shared out the "stolen" goods. Sucks that the PA - team or Ace did what he did. Hope you have already told him this ^ |
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However, since there is a run&hide option, closures should not only auto-recall fleets but also put them into base safely. Itīs not like people do a Wishmater (I think it was Wish who got himself closed to avoid being FCed, but could be mistaken) every day. That way planets in question would only lose roids but could still play on if reopened. |
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Additionally, someone mentioned this earlier, but if what you say is true about reporting the bug via IRC, why did it take so long for a response? This story/explanation leads me to believe that it was close to 12 hours between when the 50m was donated and the game was stopped. Why the delay? Mainly - Quote:
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also i think the 'it was reported' excuse is a tad lame too. you pm'd appoco. appoco is a busy man who doesn't sit on irc and babysit pa 24/7 when you didn't get a reply, you could have easily gone into #support to see who else was online. but when you got no response and decided to 'test the bug' by yourselves.. that was the lack of judgement. and when the res was donated a SIMPLE galaxy mail to the planets being donated saying 'hey we have a bug don't spend the res' would have prevented a lot of headaches your gal is currently having.
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This is what happens when you dont have your mom around, you know i would have said make sure no-one spends those resources !
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Regarding these closures. Laughable shit tbh. They reported it before they "abused" it. So they have done nothing wrong imo. Calling it cheating when there was no chance in hell that they could get away with it... ****ing retards all of you. |
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Tbh korsan i think im the only one who is gonna agree with u here the others will just spend all day flaming u last rnd me and another gal mate i wont name said person tried to see if we could get the gal fund to do that however it never worked so didnt happen therefore i guarantee you there are plenty others out there who would have used it in the small donation role u described. I cant see the issue here as to why a roll back was never just performed donations etc can just be reveresed whole issue solved. Fact!
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That said, if you do commit the crime, you certainly still get sentenced for it. The chances of getting away with something hardly determine whether something is allowed or not. Also, I donīt call it cheating. I call it "****ing things up for everyone without reason", which I find pretty shit. Quote:
Itīs not like causing 24h downtime and a rollback because one ASSUMES ticks would have to be stopped anyway can be justified. I feel like being roided to bits did the trick mostly though, still think fleets should have been placed on run and hide at base instead of trapping them in the slots. |
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I wonder if Korsan was acting on his own initiative.
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Utterly disgusted with you as well santa. |
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Maybe you think we have a common collective consciousness like the borg, but we havent. So there is no way you can make me responsible for the conversation between 2 ppl. But yeah if I was you I'd do the same because there is no other evidence against me or SIX of my galmates which also got punished for this. Btw I especially like line 53 and 54 of your fail evidence. Maybe you want to read up and tell me again I am lying? Or will you at the end just see that we never wanted to abuse it? I am sure you'll make the wrong conclusion again. |
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