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I could shit. That is all. :))))))))))))))))))
Omg, that's suddenly changed and I'm all nervous. :( |
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Come On Pomey!!!!!
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If dire chelski and their appallingly uninteresting brand of football wins another league title there is no justice in the world :(
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Tsk, you know Russia has always had the best style of justice.
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please send all messages of gratitude to Linvoy Primus, Portsmouth FC.
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Poor David James. So overlooked.
(but nice work Pompy, knew you had it in you!) |
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I'm also very happy. Leeds are out of the drop-zone for the first time since some-time-before-christmas. :)
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all i want is for chelsea not to win the ****ing premiership... is that so much to ****ing ask :(:(:(
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United have played the best football by far this season. Of this there is little doubt. Chelsea, love them or hate them have overcome injuries to two players who their whole gameplan revolves around (because they stop teams playing in midfield, get the opposition to kick it high then let Terry and Cech clean up). Their squad has been massively stretched and right now are winning on empty, which has to be admired because their determination to win is as great or perhaps even greater than the great United team of 1999 when Roy Keane was captain. They are perhaps the most methodical team there is in the league - they keep it tight, look at the oppositions weaknesses and then beat them. The fact is this season Chelsea are the team that know best how to fight for those inches and if they win the title, they will deserve it 100%. Never mind the quality of the players or the price they cost, United and Chelsea are pretty evenly matched but in recent weeks, despite struggling, they've won games. Sometimes in football, skill or playing 'the beautiful game' as some people would like to have it doesn't count for shit. Yesterday was one such example and regardless of the lack of quality, it was a thoroughly entertaining match, not only cos we won, but because we got stuck in, got our defensive tactics spot on and gave 110%. I am not saying that we should all be watching players get stuck in but simply that there are different and sometimes equally as effective and entertaining ways of playing football and either is still worthy of praise. I don't care who wins but all this ABU or ABC bollocks is just rubbish. If you can't even have a sneaking respect for the way Chelsea are playing, don't bother with the premiership. There is now the possibility that United might crumble - they have an awkward derby match at Eastlands and Chelsea will put everything into beating them at the bridge. This title race is going to be all about having the mental toughness to keep winning, the styles of football are going to be largely irrelevant. |
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Once the style of football becomes irrelevant the game might as well be dead. You're never going to get young kids out playing football in their droves when what they have to be inspired by is 4-4-2 with a solid defence, a tackling midfield and a big black man up front. This has been a huge mistake made at underage levels in the british isles. People focus on results far more than the quality of football played and kids get encouraged to keep it simple and the possible great creative midfielders find themselves stifled and kept off teams for the tall guy up front you can punt the ball towards.
Obviously if you win without cheating, ie within the stated rules of the competition, you deserve to win. My point was quite clearly exaggerated, I sincerely hope nobody would ever think the way a football campaign goes determines whether or not the world is a fair place. Chelsea are just uninteresting. They're not as good to watch as Utd or even Liverpool on their day (Arsenal, while playing decent football just being too shit for this). I do not have an ABC attitude or anything of the kind. If Bolton looked like winning the premiership I'd probably resort to murdering their players. Sometimes in football you have to accept your opponents can play better football than you and you have to grind out a result. Portsmouth did this well yesterday and the only thing I'd begrudge them is the way they cynically hacked down ronaldo at every opportunity, this isn't really part of football in my opinion. My point is that watching the same team win the title every year in the same grinding manner when they could easily have built a side that played great football is not what I want to see. Especially when there's a worthy contender out there. As you well know lokken watching the most efficient group grind out a marginal victory over the space of a few months isn't the most entertaining thing in the world :( |
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im happy that west ham look like staying up :)
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Yeah; i never thought i'd see the day i wanted Man utd to win the league either; but its much better than seeing Chelsea win it again.
I dont agree with everything JBG said (otherwise the internet might explode) but i do agree with his general sentiment. I would have to say that given how immense every aspect of Didier Drogba's game has been this year its more than harsh to write him off as a 'big black man playing upfront'. There are numerous legitimate reasons to dislike chelsea; of which these are just a few. Not a single player has come through the chelsea youth system in the time they've been Chelski. Sure, man utd arent exactly Crewe Alexander, but they still have to play also-rans like John O'Shea that theyd probably rather they sold to Middlesborough for 500k. If you dont make it at Chelsea, you dont even get to hang around as a squad player, out you go. Look at Scott Sinclair (on loan at Plymouth) and the goal he scored in the FA cup. He's the kind of player that in any normal team would be entertaining fans of Chelsea; and of other clubs (as a long time ago Chelsea used to do), and would be having a breakout premiership season ala Matt Derbyshire. Except; hes been farmed out to the Championship and unless he becomes a world class striker down there, he'll probably never be seen in a chelsea shirt. Another reason is that Chelsea get too much credit for 'tactics' and subsitutions, when its actually nothing more than the simple fact that they have the best players. Taking off a full back and chucking on a striker and winning a game isnt tactical genius; its all or nothing gambling, and the odds are shortened dramatically when you happen to have the most expensive and best players on the bench. Man Utd have been playing some terrible football recently, but they're generally good to watch - and what i like about them is that they are a team with such obvious flaws - with Evra and Neville out they have no width from their fullbacks - watching Scholes carry Carrick all season has been comedy gold - in fact, in recent weeks, watching Scholes single handedly drag Man Utd kicking and screaming has been awesome entertainment value. Man utd still try and abide by a formation - and at least attempt to have a midfield that reads right to left, rather than trying to cram as many highly rated players who happen to be center midfielders in one midfield. It doesnt make for fluid football, or good watching. Dont get the impression that Man Utd are incapable of angering me; two seasons in a row liverpool have lost to injury time goals to them from free kicks that were never free kicks; and there can hardly have been a bigger disgrace in football than the time Alex Ferguson complained to the 4th official about the amount of injury time; he added one minute on, and Utd scored a winner in it. Its just that Chelsea have no redeeming features and im not about to give credit to a conglomorate with unlimited resources 'grinding out results'. |
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To play for Chelsea you obviously have to have great technique and great levels of fitness and to deny that you need neither is naive when you consider players as capable as Essien and Robben. Not to mention you've got to be able to keep the ball. Technique, strength and fitness are what every footballer should aspire to have, the difference between teams is how these assets are applied. A lot of people find Serie A boring but before calciopoli it was the best league in terms of technique worldwide. The main problem with our youth system is nothing to do with the way we play football. In 1990 England produced a team that was shit hot, gave 110% and had good technique but the fact that they got stuck in too gave them an edge over a lot of teams. These were players who walked into not just the top clubs in England but in all of Europe. Then Howard Wilkinson (the most defensive coach ever) got hold of it and ****ed it all up. At the top level, of course the focus is on results, top clubs should always want to win. How we treat youths is an entirely different matter. The way kids are coached in Britain is pretty miserable, not to mention the fact we play rugby and cricket too and the fact that issues with class put a lot of people in England off football, which means we have a dearth of intelligent footballers. Only Arsenal have gone against the system and it's obvious they are reaping the rewards, but even then, a lot of their kids are imported, I don't think they've got any interest in developing English football whatsoever. Quote:
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I think Chelsea play the way they do because they have inherited a fantastically able defender who's only weakness is his pace, so they can't afford to play expansively. If they play to suit his strengths, they won't concede goals and as they play to Lampard's strengths too (although more to Drogba's these days), they score more too. They have a formula that works and they should stick to it. If they want to change, they need to fire Mourinho and probably spend another £200 million. You might find it disappointing that they have buckets of talent and don't play expansively but each manager picks his own way of playing and if he's effective with it, he's not going to give it up because his job is to ultimately get results in modern football. United's squad could play like Chelsea and lose a lot more games, because their squad is set up to play in a different style. Quote:
I'll be watching Chelsea v United as an impartial observer because they have contrasting styles which when brought together will create a riveting encounter so long as they don't bitch at each other for 90 minutes like when Chelsea met Arsenal. |
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This is a really unnecessarily long discussion. I'd like to re-emphasise that I won't declare that Chelsea don't deserve to win the premiership if they do. However I, and most of the rest of the footballing world, would rather see the side we'd prefer to watch play win the Premiership than a side that we'd only just prefer to watch ahead of paint drying. |
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Considering he's someone who plays the system himself by repeatedly diving and using his pace to deceive referees, I think it works both ways. He knows he might get booked but if he gets a penalty, it's worth it, not to mention that other defenders back off him fearing he might dive. He got a taste of his own medicine because if he even decided to get the ball he'd have a player coming into him double quick. There are players who take a booking for the team and they are widely appreciated by their own fans. Ronaldo just does it by diving or appealing when he trips over. Quote:
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The result is that English players have been frozen out to cut the wage bills, because the minute they get good, they cost a bomb. The result is that English footballers no longer make the grade, because instead of buying players like Kevin Keegan from S****horpe, the top clubs go and find the best talent from abroad. England used to have fantastic crop of players but after a lot of the good ones from the 1990 team got old, we've slowly become shite and the Premiership is largely to blame. Add on the fact that the top clubs are pillaging other clubs youth systems for their best players and can afford for these kids to fail and you wonder why England's youth is suffering? Only two teams outside the Premiership has what I'd call a proper youth setup, one is scum (who spent years up there to set it up) and the other is Crewe, who are struggling to keep it alive and only have it because they put ridiculous amounts of efforts in keeping it because they have a manager that does everything. Quote:
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I'd rest my case but I'm pretty sure it's crawled halfway down your throat to kick the crap out of you lok.
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I wasn't really blaming him for it. Especially in international football where you have to work with what you have. Mourinho didn't have to. It's not like greece are a decent footballing country now though, they just scraped past malta 1-0 and got trashed 4-1 by turkey at home.
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I've not slated the passing game once yet you claim I want rid of it simply by defending Chelsea's style of play, I've just said that different styles of play are what make football, even if some are extremely cynical. A 7-1 doesn't prove anything at all apart from that United play open football and when their opposition cave in, they could get hammered. If Milan did them 1-0 on aggregate in the next round for example, United wouldn't deserve a bean, because they would have been outdone by a superior level of Italian defending. Managers make up their own ingenious methods of winning and tailor their squad accordingly. Not everyone, unsurprisingly, ascribes to one style of football. Infact the best football team would probably be one that could play any style well, but I'm not sure that team should ever exist, as they'd win all the time. The style of play isn't just what creates a good style of football and entertainment. Football is about competing and winning too and all your vision does is reduce football to a bunch of exhibition matches, instead of a competition. The greatest threat to football isn't how teams play, because teams have always played different ways, it's money, because money threatens to remove the one thing that makes football more interesting than it should be: competition. |
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I'll conclude with this: I want football teams to play however they want to play and how they feel comfortable playing. If they play that particular way well, then it's of equal merit to anyone playing another why. Anything beyond that is just personal preference. |
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The result is that smaller clubs can't compete in any sense whatever way they decide to play football and as a result you have a lot of poorer matches because the players are less capable to carry out their manager's wishes. Teams have always wanted to win, it's just that the game these days is so financially skewed that it allows the bigger clubs to use their pots of money to actually harm football. Leeds and Chelsea tried to break the hegemony of Liverpool, Arsenal and Manchester United in the late 90's. Leeds, one of the biggest clubs in the land nearly went out of existence. Chelsea were going to make Leeds look financially awesome before Abramovich intervened. It's clubs like these that show exactly what the other clubs are up against to succeed because of disproportionate amounts of TV money. Football could be a better game and make the same amount of money with less revenue and less money swilling round the business, I genuinely believe that. Quote:
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interesting.
Claiming liverpool didnt deserve to beat barcelona is pretty silly though. They took their chances; and probably created the more clear cut chances over 2 legs as well. Watching them hang around like sitting ducks waiting for Barcelona to make it 0-2 was pretty bad but more than anything that was because the entire team was knackered. They effectively controlled the game for the majority of the tie and if Crouchinho could have finished his dinner then the game might have been over a long time before the nervous 80s. I think you're letting a little too much of your liverpool h8 creep into your analysis, i thought some of liverpools football was fantastic; i didnt see Barcelona fullbacks making the same impact that Riise did in the tie, for example. |
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If the game had ended at halftime in the second leg I would never have questioned anything. However the way they acted towards the end just wasn't football and it took a lot away from what preceded it. I still probably wouldn't quite say they didn't deserve to win. They played good football for a lot of the tie. It's just like watching a good film for 90 minutes and then getting nailed by the most dire last half an hour imaginable.
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Well executed football (in terms of technique and mentality), whatever style you play will near always be winning football. There is always pressure to do well and get results, whether you do it by passing it round, playing it long, keeping it tight etc. Quote:
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Luton is relegated, and Cambridge is still in the danger zone. luckily they won away against Aldershot though. Football is more fun down in the salami divisions.
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We would have been in such a good position had w beaten Newcastle :( |
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celtic finally eeked out the crappiest 2-1 win in the history of the season (and we've had about 12 crap two-one wins).
Nakamura last minute freekick to win the title. Bliss. After-party at castle greyskull next week! |
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Chelsea should beware, couse we are getting dangerous on set pieces now!!!!!!
(and thats the only thing Arsenal can do right atm) |
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you're not Irish, you're Dutch. :) |
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Indeed.
Arsenal have taken 6 points from Manchester United, and 0 from West Ham.... |
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