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I can understand to some extent why trolling and flame bating + lying due to politics is allowed on AD, but honestly isn't the above text "bit" over the limit.

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I have never understood why people consider this is a bad thing. It seems to be entirely rational to avoid fighting vsn when you have already lost one war in which you started with higher value why would you start another when you are starting at a disadvantage? unless you can get allies (which ND would have had difficulties with everyone else worried about app and happy enough to see a vsn win) then it is entirely sensible for ND to avoid war.

Also as an alliance that has won several times before they are probably happy with 2nd (just like asc seems to be happy not to bother bucking up and fighting for the win these days).

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Vacation mode?

No, it isn't. R33 apprime set up a much bigger block just to hit asc gals at the end of the round. The same people who led asc back then lead it now (they're the same guys who kicked your ass r33 fyi). I have no idea what happened after the first time we hit cardi's gal. I do know that apprime responded for one night and then nothing happened. I do know that the next time one of us his the other it was you guys bringing along DLR. I never said being in a block was unfair or talked about honour. We worked with loads of people at various points in r30. I don't think apprime/cardi have outright broken NAPs (although cardi telling santa he was roiding light regardless last round was pretty close). Nobody really does that sort of shit though. Everyone tells small lies or bends the truth about who they're hitting or what's going to happen etc though.

Just to respond to some of your """points"""" in random order.

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lol vacation mode!

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Having worked closely with apprime in rd 34 i have a lot of respect for some of their members but trying to justify vac mode is loltastic , going vac mode to avoid incs just means your a chicken or a rank whore ( hi reeskero )

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Come on though are u all missing the fact that 353 minimum thats from the 5 allys prob scanners etc can be taken out and u can prob add vgn and ct on top of that list vs 48 is so retarded it is untrue anyone who trys to sit there and waffle back to be me that oh app desevered it etc etc is talking out of there ass quite frankly 2 wrongs dont make a wright so when it comes to ure eorc dont sit there like u think u played the rnd well just remember u got there by numbers not by skill

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Try adding some ****ing commas.

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would, it, really, help, you, understand, tho?

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I always thought Apprime was a Planetarion alliance, not a travel agency.
I bet your whole alliance still thinks cruisers are to take a cruise on, not to cap roids with.

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Firebird: it is a well known fact that members of alliances whose HC use vacation mode tactically deserve to be not only roided but also sk'd into oblivion. Covert ops should also probably be deployed when they can cause distress to targets.

It has always been so since vacation mode was first implemented.

Most rounds people don't have the strong sense of morality that is required to enact this glorious justice.

Despite whatever shortcomings this round has had, this is one area where I think the community can pat themselves on the back and hold their heads high - they are doing the right thing.

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Lmfao are u smoking crack hold there heads high hahahhaa i really have heard it all now go stick ure head in the sand with the rest please and if ure gonna come back with crap like that dont bother

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gay times need gay measures i guess ;)

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On a sidenote, what exactly is the "sad change" in the topic?

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qft

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Getting more numbers on your side is a skill. To phrase it better in the context of this round not getting half the universe against you is a skill. Most appropriately getting half the universe against you is a sign of a lack of that particular skill. If you have HCs who play politics in the sense of "shut up or we'll kill you" then eventually you'll get blocked against because people are either afraid of you or pissed off at you or whatever way you'd prefer to phrase it. At that point you need to be able to defeat or divide the opposition. If you can't then you played your game poorly.

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It's the smartest decision to make.

Vision is bigger than ND, so if they triage attacks and cover vision, they make the difference between vision and apprime smaller.

If they instead cover ND, they make the difference bigger.

It's the only logic decision to make.

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If 350 vs 48 is so retarded, then don't piss off 350 people.

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:)

Indeed, mz. How, exactly, have the events of this round done anything to alter the documented history of previous rounds?

Would it be going too far to wonder if something had actioned to alter our spacetime continuum, would we even realise?!

:o

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I'm wondering, why do you lot post this crap on PA forums?

Or do you all just like to mock others on forums that are denying you the words that you actually want to use?
Because if that is the case, then I guess you are playing the wrong type of game. And you should go back to school where it's common to bully others with words. Untill some one slams his fist in your puny face and then you have learned that what you just did is not the way to talk to people or get their attention the way you want it. (except if you have a fetish of getting a fist stuffed up your nose ofc.)

Also, the ones you are trying to 'burn' at this moment, might be your alliance mates next round due to the ever shrinking player-base in the universe. And then you are mates, just like that? Seriously.. what is the point of most of these posts here?
Are you _that_ insecure of the size of your weener, that you have to pretend its bigger then some other blokes weener? In my opinion it would make more sense to show that in another way in the game itself where it matters, attack each other - battle for it. Its what planetarion was made for, a war game where you have to fight each other. Forums are not. Forums are a bunch of propaganda normally, but in PA's case its more a board where little frustrated kids battle over the size of their weener and in some cases they even 'stick it up' for their friends little weener. :D

right, Im done - have fun :D

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Androx you fail at the forums.

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Jbg u know the man in question better than i and no doubt will have heard other allies gripes etc i see what your saying its a 'skill' not pissing people off but i personally would see that more as pussy footing around, for more than 350 planets to take on 48 and feel that there the overall winners would just be insane its like tying someone down and repeatedly punching him and then claiming you're the hardest man in the world is just stupid this whole situation is retarded and for any alliance to claim there better than the one on the receiving end of this is plain simple and i am talking about this round only b4 someone goes and quotes round 33 or summit retarded like that

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Not only is it a skill but I would strongly argue that it is a much more impressive skill than those other very important planetarion skills, staying up late and remembering the list of ip addresses / vnc passwords...

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The point that you are missing is that nobody is claiming that they have defeated Apprime, nor are they claiming that defeating Apprime is the culmination of a whole round's strategic planning.

This is a group of people who Apprime have spent many rounds going around bullying spontaneously deciding to put the boot in together. It is, to quote someone's earlier post, 'glorious justice.'

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When I first read this I thought you were making some kind of analogy to the current situation Apprime find themselves in!

Planetarion is shit, the whole fun in this game is in the metagame, of which the forums make up a part.

With regard to the OP, your subject is lollable, there's no sad change here. With that said, given the situation Apprime are in, it's a fairly good move to make. Obviously though, when you're far outnumbered it isn't the best of tactics if you start reducing your own numbers further through vacation mode!

As JBG said, Apprime need to either defeat or divide their opponents. Given that defeating them is unlikely, dividing them is the best option. If Apprime do as they're announcing, they stand a chance of removing Vision from the block who may decide to look elsewhere for roids if they find themselves unable to cap off Apprime. Once that happens, the block will probably fall apart.

Of course, in order to dissuade Vision from continuing with the block, Apprime will need all their planets in action, both defending against and attacking Vision. They'll have to accept roid loss on their bigger planets, but as long as they maintain their value they will be fine; once hostilities are over Apprime are more than capable of regaining their roids. However, by deciding to not accept roid loss and instead use vacation mode, Apprime are greatly reducing their ability to hold on to their other roids, they're also losing potential value, and reducing their ability to retaliate.

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Is it just me, or does it sound kind of strange to have Apprime complain about someone gathering multiple alliances to take on 8:3 (which was where this started), where as they themselves have done so 2-3 times this round to LordN and my gal? Pot calling kettle black?

And whereas they are now making a big deal of how cowardly this type of action is, and how any gains made through these kinds of tactics are no real wins, I do seem to remember more or less the same people claiming great victory when they eventually got LordN down. So, make up your minds, it's a great victory to take out well-known recruitment alliance ND's top planet by using in the region of 300 planets(?), where as using the same amount to take on one of the most hardcore alliances most fenced gal is a shameful act where those who run into vacation mode are non the less the moral winners?

How full of your own propaganda do you have to be not to notice this rather obvious discrepancy?

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ND is a recruitment alliance?

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I think u got ur numbers SLIGHTLY wrong ;)
but yea in comparison I can understand why alot of ppl want to take Cardi down for threatening them, just like we took down LordN for playing a little too much with the muscles he doesnt have :D

but fact is someone decided to take it out on all of apprime, and therefore starting a regular war 6v1, which is no comparison to raping LordN for being a smartass on his own (And no Sun_Tzu we didnt use in the region of 300 ppl , unless that region starts from around 50) ;)
I remember we also discussed this with ND HC and had their full understanding.

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Before this happend, Vision was 30million ahead of Apprime with less than 2 weeks to go, Vision also were napped to the #2 alliance. Most people had already declared Vision the winners of this round, so to most people this is just end of round fun, bashing an alliance which has constantly threatend and pissed them off throughout the round.

It actually seems that ive gave too much credit to carDi in the past, such as when last round (i think it was last round) that carDi made apprime avoid all vision planets (even though we had no nap or avoidance) as he knew he may need Visions help later on in the round if a block forms. That was a very smart move and something alot of alliance HC's wouldnt of done. I presumed that behind the racist, immature and insulting demeanor that he was actually ok/good at politics but judging by this round, he's been lucky with his constant threats before and he just likes to threaten everyone only this time its backfired.

It is a shame, as if carDi had not pissed everyone off, this might of been a good last 2 weeks.. With apprime+afew others vs Vision and afew others, where apprime would of more than likely had the advantage but it would of been nice to see if that advantage could close the 30mil lead. Unfortunatly, by the time the last 2 weeks came, Apprime had no allys left that they could ask for help.

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I feel confident that a coalition this size can take down vision. They broke a NAP, and if anything deserves punishment its lying. Newdawn gained millions in one day now, and they can probably win if their allies help them attack vision instead. After all why should ND help vision win when they can win themselves?

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All I think this round proves is that the ally limit is too high

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okey a FEW things..

Apprime wudnt turn on Vision since we've been trying to make them win through the entire round?! O_o

... which goes hand in hand with Apprime not having any ambitions of winning this round, at any point ;)

nice imagination tho ;)

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I dont see how it has? We had 3 evenly matched alliances fighting for #1 at the start with 2 of the best rated alliances behind on numbers but always have the potential to grow.

I do agree, a tag limit this high certainly has the potential to make a crappy round.. if Apprime or Asc were at full tag and full strength this round, it would of been a poor round. However, this round.. the big increase in tags was a good change.

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First of all this wud never work since ND throw all their chances away through persistant crashing almost every day of the round :p

also ND completely lack winner instinct in my eyes, and belongs to those ppl who "play to have fun, not to win". crazy ppl if u ask me :o

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It seems you really don't understand this, so I will explain it. Apprime roided the #2 ranked Vision planet. They sent excessive fleets at him and sk'ed him 3 or 4 waves. Afterwards, several Apprime members indicated that this was normal, and would happen to all high ranked planets, because they wanted the high ranks themselves. This pushed Vision away, and led to them agreeing to join a hit on 8:3 (FINALLY). There was no agreement to hit ANYTHING ELSE THAN 8:3. They went vac mode. People got even more upset. We agreed to keep hitting apprime untill 8:3 came back from vacation and we could finish the job. Cardi then tries his best to seperate these alliances, forcing us to fortify them (asc and vision nap). Now he is trying to seperate ND by promising them an alliance win they don't even want or have aimed for the last 500 ticks.

So in effect, cardi and his gal has screwed apprime even more than the alliances hitting them currently, purely out of selfish reasons (scorequeens).
Only reason he is dc'ing the alliance now is to keep everyone from quitting so there is still defense left for his own galaxy. I'm not surprised apprime members can't see this though.. And I am sure they will go all out to defend the same people that screwed them tonight when they come out of vac. Your own actions have bought you to this point, take you beating like men instead of crying about it.

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Zotnam seriously shutup App members quitting ure very funny as for vsn hitting App that was through there own choice and claiming that they were only gonna targ 8:3 is utter crap vsn had all they wanted App backing them so what if App hit one of there planets there was no overall agreement to say that this could not happen as for cardi doing all the dcing i think u need to pop by app chan if u think that the case

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Atleast it used to be considered as such, along with ROCK and the likes. Afaik there's still a few fairly new players in ND this round.

Call it community-alliance if that suites you better I suppose.

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I do understand that we roided the #2 vsn planet as I was the one sending ppl there ;)

I also understand how ya'll tried to break Apprime by making it look like its Cardi's fault that u gang on us, but sadly Apprimes spirit aint that easy to break! (nice try tho) ;)

tbh u really have no idea whats going on in Apprime atm, so I guess I can only say wait and see :o

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oh and hes not trying to seperate ND as that wud only cause VSN to win by an even bigger margin, JESUS where do u get ur intel? :D

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Yeah, breaking NAP's, oh my, that's a new one. Especially when provoked, oh yes, terrible. Lying, because, um, no wait, I don't think they have to the best of my knowledge.

You know, on my list, fencing, abusing alliances to further your personal ranks and running into vac mode when people get annoyed at your constant underhanded tactics is rather worse than terminating a NAP.

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Christ, seriously, watching Apprime trying to do politics is probably the most pitiful thing ever. Where did you learn this crap? Crash course in the kj/foxman/ministry school of how-to-run-your-alliance-through-AD?

No offence Foxman :P (Whinestry blaa blaa ;))