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... After causing that stir last night I would like to issue a short statement on what happend and will happen the next days.
I would have done this earlier, but was way to angry to level my head and arrange my ideas, prolly
pîssed of quite a few people even.

To cut a long story short: I´m officially resigning as HC of FAnG in Planetarion after finding three of our top hundred planets closed.
So far I dont know what happend exactly, but since at least two of these guys havnt been on irc since over 2 weeks now I presume they handed over their accounts to someone else. As soon we got told why PA crew closed these members, they will get kicked.

I always attacked importance to fairplay and now I forcefully have to take the consequences for failing to take care of my own members.

Apologizing once more to all the players who played this round brave and fairly I hope to restore at least a bit of our tatterd reputation.

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it's a shame that cheaters don't realize the effect they have on everyone else :\

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Sad way to go, hope this doesn't stop the fun in the game too much :(

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Stop it LEFF you are forcing people to actually respect you. :D

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And the damage they do their alliances.

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leff: i'm glad you are annoyed that your members cheated etc - but u really don;t ahve to resign over it...

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I feel a bit like posting only "ROFLMAO LOL - why didnt you believe me?"

on the other side I really feel sorry that next great guy leaves the game. We had a lot conficts this round, I know that I nearly never behaved me since months in #FAnG and that our personal relation surely was hurted by this things.
But I still hope that we drink some beers anytime together on a RL meet. :banana: :banana:

Cya m8

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I agree with you LEFF, but not when u say u'r resigning.. it's not your fault some people thought of cheating. We all know all alliances got some cheaters.. so.. should all alliance HC's resign becuz of that? ;) I don't think so ;)

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I disagree with you, Kal. In terms of PR, this is a great move on Leff's behalf.

Well done, Leff! You're starting to look like a gentleman.


Xeno

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I go up three ranks!

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You're going up more than that, I think (depending on where you're currently at in the rankings). When I write this, 5 top 20 planets are closed.


Xeno

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bah

:(

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tbh, I don't think it's anyone's business what decision LEFF took. Whether it was a right or wrong decision also cannot be said by any outsider ...

And yes, proven cheaters will get kicked, we do not support such behavior.

And leff, I wish you would have kept this in pm.

rgds Kj

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Well I would like to add something. A few of those people are not on the fang server for a few days (they have decided to slow down with PA since fang was #1 again) but still they are online on irc. All of them have been VERY active in PA (they cant be anymore since tehy are locked) AND on IRC.
I dont know much about the reason why they have been closed but I have been told its for account sharing. If it's true then its laughable, one doesn't need to account share when online all the time arranging some attacks everyday with the other alliances and so on.

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"Stupid is, stupid does"

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After reading LEFF's post I was under the impression he was making a stance against cheating and was leaving FAnG for pastures new (and I was dealing with his recruitment form before reading this ;)). However, following a discussion with a friend of mine I've been informed that chances are LEFF will now actually leave the game.

I remember when I went through my phase of dispair he was one of those who actually talked me out of it (along with a couple of others). I must add whilst I back his stance on cheating I don't feel that it's a reason to leave the game. There are always those that cheat to gain an advantage over the vast majority of fair players. In an ideal world there wouldn't be, but I'm get to find an ideal world. As opposed to letting them ruin this game I for one play on defiantly to show these people that you don't need to cheat to be successful. Ultimately if to them success is more important than fairness then I find their values a bit pathetic. In R8 NoS killed my entire fleet one night when they knew I was away. Retrospectively I could have given my details to someone to have them run my fleet, but that is against the rules, so I just had to spend my salvage and build my planet again.

So LEFF, if you will only play PA for FAnG then I hope you will rejoin FAnG and keep playing. This game needs all the decent players it can get right now. If we leave because of the rotten eggs then there will eventually be no game left.

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I was going to say that. :-/


As for Leff, while it's good to see an HC actually own up that some of their members might be cheaters, unless you told them to do it I don't see why the resigning...

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This makes FAnG look divided and weak.

Whilst it certainly might improve the image of Leff, it only serves to tarnish and damage the image of his alliance (or should I say ex-alliance?)

For once I agree with Kj, you should have talked about this in PM first and presented a united front on it rather than going off and resigning.

On the other hand, I am terribly amused. You young 'uns...

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[edit - sorry.. no logs.. and that's too much for me to let go :\ - Aryn]

just to make one thing clear: I will not leave fang, nor quit PA ... I stepped down as HC

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.. what reputation? :rolleyes:

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A top alliance has a few cheating members? I must say I surely am stunned... :rolleyes:

Surely resigning as HC over it is a bit silly tho, a HC cannot be expected to control his or her members entirely, but should only be expected to react accordingly when they were discovered to be cheating. Oh and not cheat themselves, don't you agree Focht?

Kicking the cheating fkers out and publically naming them so they find it hard to get into any respectable alliances in the future would be my actions of choice - would also be interesting to see which/if any allainces did take them in as well. Of course on the other hand, if a HC knew they were cheating before they were caught then things maybe a little different...

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So far nobody is deleted and nothing is proven yet. They are SUSPECTED it doesnt mean that they are GUILTY..
FAnG can be weak and divided, it makes of FAnG an alliance of human beings none the less and that is actually good since bots are not allowed in PA ;)
There is no real stake here, a good attack will always give you more roids than a post on AD, whatever it is a good post or not.

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thx James. Nothing is worth quitting this game over. Hence why I'm I told you to stay and did the same with LEFF. To me LEFF is the most integer person PA has ever had, it's just sad he resigned.

rgds Kj

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LEFF, my dearest.

FAnG is dead. FAnG as we (you, me, Kj, hinch, TU, etc.) founded it in R6 is dead.
You tried to revive it this round and you did a good job - but FAnG died in the moment hinch took it over.
I've said that too many times already and its the truth. Many, too many actions in this round (e.g. killing my planet) have proven that. FAnG for PA has been dead for a long time and now as you're leaving it (good decision!) FAnG will maybe finally die.

Good luck with FAnG in other games, and good luck Kj, with anything new you are planning.


Farewell FAnG, see you LEFF, one of my best friends in "The-Online-World"


Johannes "Lockhead" Koch

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A bit late when they have Sjor and Meddy in their ranks...

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LEFF soz to see this happen....
you will be missed

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Respect!!!

I know you will be sorely missed as FAnG HC, cheeting is wrong and ditching morals to win at all costs isnt what fang or its core members are about. Officers should lead by example. :(

You will be respected for doing what you beleave is right.

ps.

Being a peon is nice and quiet, enjoy :P

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Alliance HC can't stop people cheating - it's how they react when ppl are found to cheat that counts. If you quit as HC who will enforce those ideals in future.

Wait for the proof/explanations and if the are still closed (lets be honest, 90% of ppl stay closed) then kick, name and shame.

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Why havn't Dragons HC made a thread like this yet? :P

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13 FAnG planets closed last days. LEFF aint HC anymore. hard days for FAnG...
and yeah, 2 ToT planets got closed too today. but no, I wont retire my HC job. :devil: :devil: :devil:
seems multis and acc sharers have no chances this round... :confused: :confused: :confused:
and no, it wasnt me who got closed. :D

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Thats the problem with being a HC... when push comes to shove you feel responsible for what the members do.. wether you are or not.

Personally LEFF i dont hold u responsible for what they do, they made their own beds, they now have to lie in them, your stance on this admirable but a bit sad tbh, you cannot hope to keep that sort of eye on all your members.

I hope someone talks to you and persuades you to take the reign again.

Anyone out there Cheating... I hope this comes as a reminder as to what a selfish and cowardly act cheating is.. and that its repercussions are not only to you but to every member in your alliance and to your alliances rep.

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So let me get this straight (sorry if I am a little confused)...

You found out some of your inactive members were cheating, but had absolutely no knowledge of this beforehand. Because of this, even though you knew noting about it, and none of it is your responsibility, you are stepping down.

This all just seems a little strange to me. Sure there aren't some other ulterior motives, and this is just a little PR stunt to try to say FAnG cheating is a very unusual thing?

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TomKat: Similar situation in RL would be the manager that quits his job when he finds out several of his players have been using drugs/stereoids.

What LEFF does is the right thing to do imo, it shows that you care.

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Nile, river, Egypt, etc.

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stepping down as HC is plain stupid. It will serve no purpose other than..nothing.

just kick them and let everyone know who they are

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15 fang closed now (not including some reopened)

This is getting silly...

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Makes all this slightly less surprising then doesn't it? :)

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Leff U True Gamer;)

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Will you be publishing a list of nicks so other HCs can tell them nicely to '**** off'?

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true gaming has nothing to do with resigning from a HC position when his players have shown an utter incompetance in obeying the rules of the alliance, the game and the community.

LEFF should stay in his seat, conduct a throughout investigation of his alliance, kick anyone remotely connected to any form of cheating and re-start with a clean squad.

this is how he will gain the title true gamer, the respect from his minions and other alliances who should consider doing the exact same thing.

(I am not mocking your descision to support him Zeus, dont get me wrong. I just disagree with the way ' a True Gamer' is presented.)

Although it is an honourable thing to do, I suggest you keep your head high and take action LEFF

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It is the honourable thing, when as HC you find your officers are closed I am sure you would feel that you should step down, an alliance's command should lead by example and not be even suspected of cheeting.

Leff must feel that he cant continue as HC when the people he has entrusted to help run his alliance are closed.

This few people may have destroyed fangs chances of winning if they are deleted and have wasted all the hard work the honest gamers have put so much into the alliance.

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name and shame the cheaters

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idd i agree to that

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I hope btw, that they delete all closed players before final ranks are made up. (no matter what allince)

That will give a realistic ranking

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I support this. :)

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Ive been waiting for it since r8 :)

oh, and its seems its the ex-ldk players who have been closed.. (some of those who fang took in)
*shocker*

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yes, but untill pa-crew say for sure that they were cheating ior delete them t would be wrong to publish thier names. I think most of us know who it is anyway.