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Game^ 10 Jul 2008 19:34
Ascendancy ‘giving something back’
 
Many people on these boards have often critcised Asc for abusing/exploiting the community, well this is our gift back to you.

*Note this post is from our point of view, and we don’t require any ‘correction’ on any of the points, if you wish to do that start a new thread, all we require is your vote*

The story

To cut a long story short, as I’m sure many of you are aware ND/VGN have been fighting Denial for a while, this stopped a few days ago as Denial are not exactly ‘fighting fit’ anymore. Before this stopped we had approached CT about hitting ND as we were worried about a ND/VGN combo starting to run away with the round. CT accepted this was required, but didn’t want to do anything. A week passed by and CT grew very fat, even fatter than us! So we re-assessed the situation and now placed CT as the #1 competition to the top spot. We then talked with Denial/ND who agreed that a one night hit on CT could be co-ordinated, in order to bring their roids down to the level of ND/Denial (we have less members we need more roids to catch you!).

ND at mid day today pulled out, citing the reason they weren’t ‘ready’. Well fantastic we thought what a complete waste of time. So being the nice souls we are, we offered CT the same option we offered ND, having CT/Asc/Denial hit ND. CT have also rejected this, as they apparently can’t trust us as we planned to maybe attack with ND first or something.

The point

So we at Ascendancy have come to the conclusion that with no wars we can’t win, and also with no wars its boring as hell, so here is the proposal. We believe that ND and CT are silly for rejecting our proposals, and seem to want to ‘wait it out’. Well screw that, so this is where you come in. This thread is a poll for YOU the community to decide who we Ascendancy hit. Now the options are limited to CT or ND, and to be honest we aren’t really fussed which you pick. So there you go vote away! The thread results will be taken 48 hours from now, and then acted upon!

Disclaimer

Should ND/CT suddenly decide they want to work with us upto 16 hours before the poll ends we will accept the alliance that approaches us first, close the poll and declare it as so.

Happy Voting

The Asc Team!

Raging.Retard 10 Jul 2008 19:36
Re: Ascendancy ‘giving something back’
 
I'll hit your mum.

Recluse 10 Jul 2008 19:45
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Nd :p

SUFC 10 Jul 2008 19:50
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ND
CT will lose the roids anyway before round ends

lokken 10 Jul 2008 20:11
Re: Ascendancy ‘giving something back’
 
I'm amused.

You've got 48 hours.

DrunkenViking 10 Jul 2008 20:12
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No "Self destruct"-option?

[JungleMuffin] 10 Jul 2008 20:13
Re: Ascendancy ‘giving something back’
 
3) Not JungleMuffin

lokken 10 Jul 2008 20:15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by DrunkenViking
No "Self destruct"-option?
They seem to be serious in intent, so no 'lol your mum' option has been provided.

[JungleMuffin] 10 Jul 2008 20:16
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Awesome move tho, by pointing the cannon at ND or CT, asc is out of the sights.... nice :D

CT, just cos theyre lubbleh

Mzyxptlk 10 Jul 2008 20:16
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CT has Ronin. Two birds. One stone.

Quote:
Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]
Awesome move tho, by pointing the cannon at ND or CT, asc is out of the sights.... nice :D
Yeah. Ascendancy is out of the sights of... Ascendancy. Good one.

BlueArmy 10 Jul 2008 20:16
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4) JungleMuffin

Why do we in asc always have the hatred for ronin and his allies? Typical asc!

[JungleMuffin] 10 Jul 2008 20:25
Re: Ascendancy ‘giving something back’
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
CT has Ronin. Two birds. One stone.


Yeah. Ascendancy is out of the sights of... Ascendancy. Good one.
Or perhaps more like if Asc is teaming WITH Denial + CT/ND, then theyre not being teamed BY Denial + CT/ND?

/me gives MZ a hug, awwwwww

The Ministry/Ronin lemming run can be brought forward a bit perhaps D:

Ronin 10 Jul 2008 20:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]
Or perhaps more like if Asc is teaming WITH Denial + CT/ND, then theyre not being teamed BY Denial + CT/ND?

/me gives MZ a hug, awwwwww

The Ministry/Ronin lemming run can be brought forward a bit perhaps D:
Its the asc way of not being hit :banana:

VenoX 10 Jul 2008 20:29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ronin
Its the asc way of not being hit :banana:
Whats CT's way of not being hit? Except from doing nothing. Ever.

Mzyxptlk 10 Jul 2008 20:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by VenoX
Whats CT's way of not being hit? Except from doing nothing. Ever.
That's not fair VenoX. Galraiding is not nothing.

Quote:
Originally Posted by [JungleMuffin]
Or perhaps more like if Asc is teaming WITH Denial + CT/ND, then theyre not being teamed BY Denial + CT/ND?
Denial? Who said anything about Denial? Are you making things up again?

SUFC 10 Jul 2008 20:34
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Denial/Asc vs ND/CT/roids/Ronin = 4 birds with 1 stone

jerome 10 Jul 2008 20:35
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ct/nd to hit asc (game!)

VenoX 10 Jul 2008 20:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
That's not fair VenoX. Galraiding is not nothing.
My bad, I guess roiding 1:1 is "something" too? :D

[JungleMuffin] 10 Jul 2008 20:38
Re: Ascendancy ‘giving something back’
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
Denial? Who said anything about Denial? Are you making things up again?
Quote:
Originally Posted by Game
So being the nice souls we are, we offered CT the same option we offered ND, having CT/Asc/Denial hit ND.
If it wasnt JungleMuffin posting, u wouldnt be trolling, get a life.

darts 10 Jul 2008 20:38
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Would like 2 c ND hit if u plz

id be glad 2 help

Bible 10 Jul 2008 20:40
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I voted CT i wanna ROID Ronin xx

And them fenceing allround like noobs ftl Atleast ND had some bottle to fight

Linkie 10 Jul 2008 20:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by VenoX
My bad, I guess roiding 1:1 is "something" too? :D

Need to keep the machines down so they don't riot man.

HaNzI 10 Jul 2008 20:43
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lets hit santa!

zebra 10 Jul 2008 20:46
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If Denial aren't fighting fit and they're number 1, then what does that make the rest of us? :/

Mzyxptlk 10 Jul 2008 20:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zebra
If Denial aren't fighting fit and they're number 1, then what does that make the rest of us? :/
Having lots of score is not the same as being capable of going to war and winning it.

LukeyLove 10 Jul 2008 20:54
Re: Ascendancy ‘giving something back’
 
I love the disclaimer :(

lokken 10 Jul 2008 20:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jerome
ct/nd to hit asc (game!)
but is it?

I mean really, CT or ND have the power to end this poll nonsense if they really want to (although I'm fully in support of the poll).

Let us suppose they both hit ascendancy. In the end the loser of the poll is going to be hit hard on the last few days and will be at risk of losing planetarion because Ascendancy will have every reason to save their fleets to hit the loser of the poll. I have no doubt that if the clock ticks to 48 hours and neither alliance does anything to stop it, Ascendancy will carry out their threat to the letter, regardless of the outcome because they have nothing to lose here.

So ultimately, while hitting Ascendancy is certainly an option, it comes with the risk to being at the mercy of a poll on AD (needless to say, I am looking out for any kind of abuse to this poll) and ultimately losing. I mean, if you're hitting Ascendancy but losing in the poll, why would you not attempt to seek a settlement? If you're winning, why would you hit an alliance that ultimately, could help you kill off your opponent with ease?

Naturally, there are several permutations and having thought them through, the risks to either of not doing anything are certainly quite real. I'm amused to see how the HC of either alliance will react.

I have no preference for either for the record as my involvement in the round so far is minimal and it's not really for me to judge or determine how my alliance decides to behave. But like many in Ascendancy, I like a good social experiment, and this one seems as good as any.

Recluse 10 Jul 2008 20:59
Re: Ascendancy ‘giving something back’
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
Having lots of score is not the same as being capable of going to war and winning it.
Maybe, but as ND proved in R24, having lots of score but being unable to fight a war can win you the round :p

Turtle 10 Jul 2008 21:00
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Surely Asc is good enough to take out both ND and CT by itself, should be an option for this imo.

DragonKing 10 Jul 2008 21:01
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CT most definitely:devil:

lokken 10 Jul 2008 21:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Turtle
Surely Asc is good enough to take out both ND and CT by itself, should be an option for this imo.
Given the nature of Game's first post I don't think they are really caring for that option even if they might think they could play it that way.

Next question please!

Mzyxptlk 10 Jul 2008 21:02
Re: Ascendancy ‘giving something back’
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Recluse
Maybe, but as ND proved in R24, having lots of score but being unable to fight a war can win you the round :p
But then Game didn't say they were not in the position to win the round. He didn't because a random alliance idling to the win is of no interest to the community in general, and Ascendancy in specific, only to the alliance in question, and even then, only to a certain extent.

Whatever the outcome of this poll is going to be, it's going to liven up the round. Either Ascendancy hits CT with ND, or Ascendancy hits CT with ND, or Ascendancy gets hit by ND and CT (despite the arguments against it that Lok posted; alliance HCs have been known to act unreasonably in the past). What it most definitely won't be is more boredom.

lokken 10 Jul 2008 21:11
Re: Ascendancy ‘giving something back’
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
But then Game didn't say they were not in the position to win the round. He didn't because a random alliance idling to the win is of no interest to the community in general, and Ascendancy in specific, only to the alliance in question, and even then, only to a certain extent.

Whatever the outcome of this poll is going to be, it's going to liven up the round. Either Ascendancy hits CT with ND, or Ascendancy hits CT with ND, or Ascendancy gets hit by ND and CT (despite the arguments against it that Lok posted; alliance HCs have been known to act unreasonably in the past). What it most definitely won't be is more boredom.
They would not be unreasonable; they would simply be consciously acting against a substantially real risk that they would be heavy favourites to lose the round.

Recluse 10 Jul 2008 21:14
Re: Ascendancy ‘giving something back’
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
But then Game didn't say they were not in the position to win the round. He didn't because a random alliance idling to the win is of no interest to the community in general, and Ascendancy in specific, only to the alliance in question, and even then, only to a certain extent.

Whatever the outcome of this poll is going to be, it's going to liven up the round. Either Ascendancy hits CT with ND, or Ascendancy hits CT with ND, or Ascendancy gets hit by ND and CT (despite the arguments against it that Lok posted; alliance HCs have been known to act unreasonably in the past). What it most definitely won't be is more boredom.
Which random alliance is idling to win?

zebra 10 Jul 2008 21:16
Re: Ascendancy ‘giving something back’
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
Having lots of score is not the same as being capable of going to war and winning it.
How is Denial not winning the war against Vgn/ND if they have a higher average roids and score?

Banned 10 Jul 2008 21:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Recluse
Which random alliance is idling to win?
Penis Alllianz

Mzyxptlk 10 Jul 2008 21:35
Re: Ascendancy ‘giving something back’
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lokken
They would not be unreasonable; they would simply be consciously acting against a substantially real risk that they would be heavy favourites to lose the round.
See, it's the "consciously" bit I'm not so sure of. Anyway maybe unreasonable is the wrong word. Incoherently, illogically, counter-productively.. take your pick.

Quote:
Originally Posted by zebra
How is Denial not winning the war against Vgn/ND if they have a higher average roids and score?
Recent value growth is much more interesting.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Recluse
Which random alliance is idling to win?
Well both CT and ND have so far proven to be unwilling to perform war-like actions, so the answer is really quite simple.

General Martok 10 Jul 2008 22:53
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I voted ND. Gimme your shippies Asc scum :p

themast 10 Jul 2008 22:56
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i vote for ND/CT to hit asc

Kargool 10 Jul 2008 23:04
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I refuse to hit anything that Game organizes.

MaVeRiXX 10 Jul 2008 23:18
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Nice try, ASC propaganda working over time here. U guyz rock with drawing attention away.

Sad thing is, that most likely lots of dumb asses will fall for it.

Cheers

Nestorn 10 Jul 2008 23:27
Re: Ascendancy ‘giving something back’
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mzyxptlk
Having lots of score is not the same as being capable of going to war and winning it.
Theyre the only worthy war opponents there is tho. Rest of the allys seems to wanna low profile it all the way in........

As for politics, if it went my way, we would brawl the **** out of each other :) And see who could take the most beating

Nestorn 10 Jul 2008 23:31
Re: Ascendancy ‘giving something back’
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by lokken
but is it?

I mean really, CT or ND have the power to end this poll nonsense if they really want to (although I'm fully in support of the poll).

Let us suppose they both hit ascendancy. In the end the loser of the poll is going to be hit hard on the last few days and will be at risk of losing planetarion because Ascendancy will have every reason to save their fleets to hit the loser of the poll. I have no doubt that if the clock ticks to 48 hours and neither alliance does anything to stop it, Ascendancy will carry out their threat to the letter, regardless of the outcome because they have nothing to lose here.

So ultimately, while hitting Ascendancy is certainly an option, it comes with the risk to being at the mercy of a poll on AD (needless to say, I am looking out for any kind of abuse to this poll) and ultimately losing. I mean, if you're hitting Ascendancy but losing in the poll, why would you not attempt to seek a settlement? If you're winning, why would you hit an alliance that ultimately, could help you kill off your opponent with ease?

Naturally, there are several permutations and having thought them through, the risks to either of not doing anything are certainly quite real. I'm amused to see how the HC of either alliance will react.

I have no preference for either for the record as my involvement in the round so far is minimal and it's not really for me to judge or determine how my alliance decides to behave. But like many in Ascendancy, I like a good social experiment, and this one seems as good as any.
tbh, cant see asc dishing up something worse than when i logged in this morning.

so

/care

Mzyxptlk 11 Jul 2008 01:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nestorn
Theyre the only worthy war opponents there is tho. Rest of the allys seems to wanna low profile it all the way in........
Takes 2 to tango.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Nestorn
tbh, cant see asc dishing up something worse than when i logged in this morning.

so

/care
By now I'd have thought people would have learned that annoying Ascendancy is rarely a good idea.

Riddim 11 Jul 2008 01:42
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Lousy propaganda

rasputini 11 Jul 2008 02:54
Re: Ascendancy ‘giving something back’
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaVeRiXX
Nice try, ASC propaganda working over time here. U guyz rock with drawing attention away.

Sad thing is, that most likely lots of dumb asses will fall for it.

Cheers
MaVerRiXX, please explain how asking people who we should hit draws attention away from us? Would you recommend we offer the option of us hitting ourselves as mz pointed out others were recommending earlier?

On a side note, looks like there is a contender with a healthy lead so far. I do so like having my decisions made for me.

exblade 11 Jul 2008 03:58
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im all for hitting CT

Zotnam 11 Jul 2008 06:19
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Oh dear god, did you learn nothing at all from last round? Hitting asc will only make people more active and now you went ahead and did it anyway :/

[JungleMuffin] 11 Jul 2008 07:12
Re: Ascendancy ‘giving something back’
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by rasputini
Would you recommend we offer the option of us hitting ourselves as mz pointed out others were recommending earlier?
YES!

I propose Asc split and reform as 2 BG(ish) sized allies. The members of each ally recruited either via Asc Draft Day, or a factional split. Once youve got your teams, you go forth and destroy, FUN. Asc gets what they want, fun, a propper style war and they dont have to deal with epic fail ND HC's.

I'll even offer my own services. I can picture it now, The JungleMuffin JackHammer's Vs Mz's Mongoloids.

So, when can you start?

Benneh 11 Jul 2008 07:22
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Personally after tonights mass incs i dont mind who we hit but to be fair i think we should start with ND.

We all know when it comes to CT we just have to hit ronin and the rest of the ally is freeforalllll


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