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If they don't consider themselves bound by the geneva conventions (which they signed), for whatever reason(s), that's their choice. But they should also know that, if/when they lose, we will hold those responsible accountable for their actions and judge them accordingly. If they have a compelling reason why they should be exempt from the rules of war, I'm sure the Tribunal would be happy to hear it. |
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Bush isn't killing civilians (a war crime) but the people under his power are. go and research the 'daisy cutter' |
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I seriously suggest you research it. |
it doesn't worry you in anyway that humans are using weapons like these on other humans??
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Someone posted (on another forum) that the US has not declared war upon Iraq. I don't know if it's correct, but it could backfire the term 'illegal combatant'.
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6) Loads of weapons of mass destruction, chemical weapons etc etc Or has the "does iraq have WMD" question just been thrown out the window entirely. |
The last time the US declared war was, what, WWII? It didn't stop them in the last four or five "armed conflicts" they fought in.
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do you not think the makeup of the question changes substantially if you presume iraq has wmd's?
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Read the question (1st post) and further qualified later. It has nothing to do with wmd's or the actions taken by Iraq, it is to do with sending your forces to there certain death? |
The level of stupidity in this thread is deeper than I am tall.
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hence my point was that they should have been POWs |
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If Elf(French company) attacked Big Ben in London, British troops invaded Paris and took Elf executives captive, would you still call them POW's? |
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who are ELF? and it would be a british invasion of france. |
They should not be POW:s, they are POW:s, just mistreated such. Unilaterally declaring they are not does not make it true, as it is not the place of the captor to define their status. That negates the whole point of the Geneva convention. By that logic, Saddam could just declare the whole lot invading Iraq war criminals (which in a sense they are) and execute every POW he gets his hands on.
The USA is trying to play the old jedi mind-trick on the world, thinking they can get away with repeating "These are not the POW:s you are looking for) over and over, but strangely somehow it is not working. The US should just withdraw from the convention as they have done with so many other other international treaties lately. |
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Whats the point of them being in the UN as well? all they do is Veto stuff, and then ignore the UN completely when other countries threaton to Veto something they really want.
Why don't they just get rid of Vetos? |
Dunno what he is on about, but the USA itself still keeps redefining it's goal for the action in Afganistan, how are we suppoused to keep up anyway?
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An organisation based in France makes a 'terrorist attack' on civilian targets in England, British forces invades France to take it's leaders captive as France arn't capable of doing it themself. These leaders are brought to a sone where international laws are unvalid. POW's or Unlawful combatants? |
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The americans refused to join the international war crimes court.
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I find it amusing that these should be threated as lawful combatans, due to their nature of fighting. They are not fighting a war against military targets, but a war to get attention and bring suffering to civilians. |
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It's close to claiming the IRA was fighting a lawfull war against the brits. |
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The US decision to hold Taleban (a political organisation, not the fanatical terrorist killing machine we're supposed to think of) as "hostile combatants" is based on very, very shaky logic. Furthermore, they held them outside of their own country, so that the prisoners weren't granted even the basic rights enjoyed in the US penal system. You've all seen the pictures - you think it's RIGHT that they are held in cages, chained up in the open? You think it's right that John Lindh got 20 years, for legitimately defending Afghanistan against the coalition invasion? What RIGHT does the US et al have to enter a sovereign state, to pursue somebody that they are after? How would the US react if Russia or China pursued the countless Russian/Chinese criminals hiding there? I'm not anti-US, I just wish they'd stop proclaiming themself the world's moral saviour, whilst at the same time they commit countless attrocities themself. M. |
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Did you know that: - the largest export of heroin comes from Afghanistan? - the second largest is former Jugoslavia? - Al Queda funds its operation through Narcotics? - after US bombed Afghanistan the prices of Heroin went ballistic in Europe? |
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this link: http://www.usaforicc.org/facts_america-icc.html may interest you.
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oh and this one is a little older but:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washing...aties-usat.htm |
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2. I suppose you could liken these to "Cantons", such as those found in Switzerland? (Reaching, I admit) but Afghanistan was made up of disparate groups, broadly combining centrally as a unified (if fractuous) Afghanistan. So what? 3. The Northern Alliance is made up of some of the above warlords. They distanced themselves from the central Taleban, and sided with the invaders in order to advance their own interests. So what? Quote:
3 - As does the IRA. Let's bomb New York and Belfast! 4 - After the US bombed Iraq, the prices of Oil went ballastic in Europe. So what? In what way do your "reasons" justify holding human beings in cages that they can't stand up in, in the OUTDOORS, chained up, blindfolded and gagged? M. |
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