Vacmode / NFI / NewDawn
 

Hi guys.

Well, seems like conversation has gotten a bit carried away since the last time I was here!

RE: NewDawn

The NAP we had agreed upon (which ND HC 'had' a copy of, but have now conveniently lost) said that our agreed NAP was until PT790, and if we were going to renew it we'd need to do so 48 hours before hand. No such renewal agreement was made with any NFI HC.

I only mention it, as DigiZero even commented on this in pm the day I'd announced we were going to end the nap. I'm at work (more on that later) just now so can't c/p the exact logs, but it went something along the lines of:

DZ: "We were only napped until PT790 anyway, so why don't you just hit us now?" (trying to encourage me to start hostilities without the 16-hour agreed cool-off period.

I also don't intent to make much of a fuss over the fact that you actually got 17 hours to prep rather than 16! <3

I can't remember who mentioned it on the other thread, but whoever it was said "if the NAP was meant to be indefinite, why was there a 16-hour end agreement?". Something that everyone in NewDawn ignored, conveniently.

But yeah, it wasn't 'backstabbing' as we gave you notice of termination. It might not be pleasant, but we didn't do anything that wasn't in the terms of our NAP. Get over it.

Besides, you have something new to whine about now!

Last night I was talking to Tzu and our RL commitments for the upcoming week. Turns out, neither of us have the time to spare this week in running the alliance. Given the strength of the position we were in and the unlikelyhood of anything changing, we didn't see the point in actually playing the last week.

We told everyone to vacmode for the rest of the round and enjoy the extra time off. Some people went straight in, others were planning on doing after fleets returned and others wanted to stick around and def those who didn't want to go into vacmode (various reasons).

And we didn't want to spend more money on sms credit, as including credits, phone calls, skype and sms credits, we've spent what must be close to £400 now (not an exaggerated figure). It's been very costly, but hey - looks like one more investment is required to see us out now. Shit happens.

That's pretty much all there is to it.

The next 3 nights should be interesting anyway!

NewDawn, friends kk?

Re: Vacmode / NFI / NewDawn
 

Wait.. are we getting taken out? Do I actually have to play again? Aww man :(

edit: quotingizhard, k?

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Yeah lol.

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still a few nfi ppl in top10, time to take em down with others in vac mode i guess :D

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Funny that you didn't mention this before. Even more funny that you said the opposite of this before. Several times. Also funny that ND didn't mention this before. Not even when you were still napped and termination wasn't even on the table.

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Nuh-uh.

And it took me a while to find the logs of DZ saying it; I thought he'd said it whilst I was on webirc and hadn't logged it.

You ask NewDawn what our actual agreement was - they must still have it somewhere!

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Talk about flogging a dead horse: everyone who is interested has made up their minds, nothing anyone says will change them now.

While I, as a poor PhD student, sympathize with the costs involved Its still pretty lame; you could easily have withstood slightly increased losses that would come with clamping down on phoning and sms usage.

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Given that you were not alone in this block. What did you expect to happen to App and CT. Or did you give them a heads up on this?
If not leaving them without most of the firepower on the opposite side of an angry mob is pretty low.

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Sounds like kenny couldn't give a flying **** to me.
Then again thats what happens when you make an arrangement with NFI.

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No warning this is why i ended NAP before i get accused of breaking my word.

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Not at all, Firebird. You do what makes you/yours happy, dude.

Same goes for CT.

Re: Vacmode / NFI / NewDawn
 

According to NewDawn it was 7 vs 2 in NFI's favour. All I'm saying is that I've yet to hear anyone mention it being 6 vs 2 post-vaca.

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Really? You're going to make me look up your quotes? Alrighty then:

First, the setup, during the age of the NAP:

You stuck with those statements when NFI announced that you were ending the nap:

But then it turned out that position couldn't be held, and you changed your stance to:

And finally, having had a couple of days to really get the imagination going:
I can only assume you've been under the influence of mind-altering chemicals during several bouts of AD activity. I sure am looking forward which of your statements you'll deny next!

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Where did you get that 7 vs. 2 number? All I heard from ND was 4 vs them, which seems fairly accurate.
Concerning T10 allies, it was 4 (or 5? not sure what Osi did) on NFI side vs 3 on ND side.

But my comment has absolutely nothing to do with ND. It is more about general behavior. You fight a war together with other alliances. Suddenly you decide to drop out without warning, removing a considerable part of firepower, while the enemy block remains as strong as it was. The logical result of this is that your allies will get bashed. Two possibly conclusions:
1) You don't give a fart about your allies
2) You don't think about the consequences of your actions for a sec

If you want to play a self-centered alliance that is ok - really. But your behavior the last few weeks send out a seriously strong warning towards any potential nap candidate you might've hoped for next round. I am wondering if there is anyone left...

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Agreed.

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RE: mz

All of them, I gave my forum account info to CBA for this round. He's been posting under my name.

You have the kinda time that I do not, mz - hence the vacmode decision.

I think it's important to point out that I've never said anything I haven't thought at the time (intentions of sticking by newdawn included) - it's just over a period of time one's mind is liable to change.

And that last quote you made is 100% true, and isn't about what I do/do not intend/feel/believe but is what the actual agreement was. Is there any point in me posting logs of the conversation with DZ, or would the overall consensus be that I'd faked them?

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No, you didn't. The evidence, which you forget I have access to, is against it.

You cannot, in hindsight, change the motivation that caused you to have a certain opinion or take a certain action, only the justification for it. It's no coincidence that this (the latter) is exactly what I'm accusing you of, with substantial evidence to back it up, none of which you've managed to refute.

I can only assume the laughable attempt you made in the quote above was intended to do exactly that (to induce laughter, that is (haha)).

Personally, no, I wouldn't be persuaded by them. Here's why. When the NAP was announced, you had no reason to lie. In fact, both NFI and ND had a lot to gain by stating the nap was only temporary. You may not have realised this, but Tzu certainly would have. Now on the other hand you have all the reason in the world to do so, in an effort to justify (see, there it is again) your actions and make yourself look better.

In any case it doesn't matter when you lied, just that you did it. Either you lied when the nap was formed or you lied when you broke the nap or you lied a few days after breaking the nap or you're lying now.

Re: Vacmode / NFI / NewDawn
 

Checkmate?

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LOL, if thats true then it does not say much for your judgment, CBA is so well known for being eloquent and erudite in his posting! no offense but he does not do his own PR very well let alone an alliances... if its not then thats no better.

Re: Vacmode / NFI / NewDawn
 

Before i looked at [NFI] with respect and grin on my face.. Now all the good things have taken away and i'm sad. I hate you Kenny! :(

Re: Vacmode / NFI / NewDawn
 

Oh man, I missed this:

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Why are people even surprised, Kenny's shit, has always been shit and I doubt I've ever seen anyone get owned in the face this hard since I donkey punched his mum 6 years ago.
Go team mz!

Re: Vacmode / NFI / NewDawn
 

Best. Round. Ever.

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Where are the multihunters? Clear cut admission of accountsharing! :(

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The towel just dropped.

Going into vac mode because ppl start breaking naps and leaving half the alliance defenseless is über pro I guess.

I wish I could be like Kenny.

Btw it's a failed attempt to make a unique move in PA history. It just failed as it's lame.

Re: Vacmode / NFI / NewDawn
 

just for a clarification, it was never an attempt to be original

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I honestly thought the comment about giving CBA my account details would be taken as the throw-away quip it was meant to be.

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this entire situation is retarded. going into vacmode, being removed with barely any notice. failure to disable vacmode in the first place. its just tons of retardedness piled ontop of tons more.

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Personally I just assumed this was the culmination of all those elite ******** skills shining through...

Let's be ****ing honest here. Everyone who has played more than 2 rounds of pa knew vac mode not being removed was a simple oversight. It would have been quite simple to just pm pateam and remind them once you realised this. But fair enough you didn't want to and nobody can force you to.

However you have not a leg to stand on in relation to your whining. Either you were perfectly satisfied with the arbitrary removal of vac mode in every previous round (which just happened to occur at the same time each round!) or you knew that vac mode was removed with a week to go each round and decided **** it, I'm going for it and damn the consequences. Either way pateam could have dicked you all far more, my personal favourite would have been removing vac mode as an option but leaving everyone who'd gone in already in vac mode.

Re: Vacmode / NFI / NewDawn
 

If you really wanted to be nasty, you could classify this oversight as a bug, and nail them on the report-bugs-you-find clause of the EULA.

Re: Vacmode / NFI / NewDawn
 

In what way could you classify it as a bug, exactly?

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I guess everything you say need to be taken as "the throw-away quip it was meant to be"
If I was you Kenny, I would find a big black hole to hide in, shouldn't be too hard, every time you say something your mouth digging it deeper and deeper :D

Re: Vacmode / NFI / NewDawn
 

tbh, after doing so well with ****ing our enemies over, we realy felt we couldnt stop there so we ****ed our friends over and then, ultimately; we ****ed ourselves over. :p

it never had anything to do with getting the win or showing any kind of skills, it was all a matter of going with the flow we had :bunny:

Re: Vacmode / NFI / NewDawn
 

this is as bug as the bug why Korsan and his gal got closed down; tho ure abusement of it is far bigger, as u didnt report it while Korsan did :P

Re: Vacmode / NFI / NewDawn
 

A bug doesn't necessarily have to be a failure in code, it can be a (human) failure in a procedure aswell. In this case, it was known to every experienced player that vacmode gets removed every round in the last week (normally between 144 and 180 ticks before round end), so you might speak of a failure in the procedure here as it had not been done.

Re: Vacmode / NFI / NewDawn
 

Stuff like this is exactly why I left NFI after being in their priv channel for half an hour before round started...

Still, looking forward to NFI's victory speech at EORC (and all of the nicktalking) :salute:

Re: Vacmode / NFI / NewDawn
 

The Ascendancy troll squad trolling some more. FYI if Asc had done this, it woulda been leet

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The Apprime Retired Division of Speshuls approve of this thread.

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See I can see that you're saying the words, but you're talking utter shit. A 'bug' can not be a failure in procedure. If a referee in a football match forgets to blow his whistle for full time and the match keeps playing an extra 10 minutes, and somebody scores - the goal is not stricken from the scoreline.

You think because every experienced football player should know that a match is 90 minutes means that they should stop trying to score?

This was not a bug in any sense of the word, it was PATeam forgetting to do something. It doesn't matter what happens any other round, or whether they intended to do something. It was pure human error and I have absolutely no problem taking advantage of that, and anyone who says they would is talking balls.

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That's because FIFA has decided that they should not deal with such errors afterwards. Not because it's necessarily the right way to deal with such errors.

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No, it's because they know the fault would lie with the refereee (Apoccomaster) and not with the players (NFI).

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No, it's because they don't want to put the referee's authority in question. Just like how if a referee yellow cards a player, or even just calls for a free kick, for something that should be given a red card + a temporary ban, they don't do anything about it.

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Which still doesn't place any kind of blame on the players for playing the final 10 minutes of the "extended" match. But I fear we're digressing somewhat.

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No, we're not. We've just shown that your example of how football does it is not necessarily applicable to Planetarion.

Re: Vacmode / NFI / NewDawn
 

I honestly thought the comment about calling it a bug would be taken as the throw-away quip it was meant to be! Guess I'm not quite the accomplished comedian I thought I was.


Did you read the post where I said by how big a margin Ascendancy rejected the poll about going into vacation mode?

Re: Vacmode / NFI / NewDawn
 

I always get a kick out of these threads at the end of each orund... it's always "someone's an a**h0L3, someone's a genious, someone screwed someone etc..... always a fun read.. so thank you everyone LOL

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Wow mz, that was an awful post.

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No it wouldn't have. I have always told anyone in Ascendancy that if they go into vacation mode to avoid incs they're a ****ing faggot. It's pretty much the only case of "exploitation" of any aspect of the game I've always condemned. Why? Because it's not that you're using it to do better at the game. You're using it to avoid playing the game. And if you want to do that there's an easier solution. Don't sign up asshole.

Good to see the inferiority complex going strong though. Maybe by round 48 people will have stopped measuring themselves against us!

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Yeah and I remember how Kenny, who was in same alliance as me backstabbed and b*tched on me all the time about it...
You just made a clown out of yourself. Congratulations

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Hijacked .... or its because soccer sucks :P