Angel Delight
 

There was a thread on here recently in which people debated furiously whether Angels are the most self-destructive alliance in the history of the game. But that's old news now for another chapter of the epic saga has just concluded. What follows below is a mail from Assassin (Angels HC) to the membership which details a few "internal difficulties."

My first reaction upon reading this was to actually laugh out loud, which is unusual for a jaded internet cynic such as myself. Upon brief reflection I also decided that Assassin is a hopeless optimist (but you have to respect him for trying) and to have an Indian for dinner before I explored the circumstances closer.

Closer examination proved even easier than I thought. I imagine this to be largely due to Angels members having more experience with relaying than most Olympic class sprinters. In any case, it turned out to be a little more interesting that the usual internal bitching about roids/def/attacks from the "hold my hand or I can't play brigade." Elviz, mactanzu, raitanaama, lizardking and nippe_r have all been closed simultaneously.

Make of that what you will though I will save time and start the screams of "cheating scum" immediately. Of course I have no evidence of that though I have personal knowledge of a few of those people, shall we say "cutting corners" in the past. In any case I throw the floor open to you, lady (I assume there can't possibly be more than one) and gentlemen of AD and look forward to the usual thoughtful and indepth commentary I'm sure you'll once more provide.

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I thought angryduck wrote that

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Benneh to win the round.


That is all.

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BNC anyone?

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so did exilition ever really win a round??

or was it all due to cheating?

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I laughed about the political connections bit...

Sorry :(

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Angels have always been about their loyal core. And by loyal I mean they show up for the first half of every round.

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The core stay there. What you mean is that Angels have no recruitment standards.

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it was all due to every single other alliance being completely useless actually

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now 1up was useless.

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Then you obviously dont know the Angels "Core"!

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ive read you post and reread it several times over and yet i still fail to see. what exactly is the overall point/goal of this post?

does this have a point or is it a thinly veiled snipe/troll at angels?

also upon rereadin the replies to this thread ive realised that its the same old faces with the "omg angels are teh nubz lololz". your like a stuck record sometimes so cut the crap

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not commenting on the rest as it doesn't involve me but this line quoted made me laugh.

Be it incarnation 1 in round 1 as Furious Angels through to incarnation 2 as FAnG through to incarnation 3 as Angels it appears to be a trait of the name to be self destructive.

This tradition of being capable of so much yet always imploding has been a down fall of all Furious Angels divisions through the 20+ games we've always participated. I can't believe that after 6-7 years (can't remember when r1 was now) of FA in pa people still find this a shock

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Angels are cute. They're like a little kitten who strives to make its first steps, but keeps falling on its ass every time. This isn't a normal kitten though. Normal kittens would fall on its ass a few times and then learn how to walk properly. This kitten just never learns, so we feel sorry for it and at the same time think it's cute as it never gives up.

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worst analogy ever

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Sorry, i can't see anything wrong with the mail. If anything, it proves that angels (core) won't run from the fight.
About taking the exilition bg in, it was a risk they took in order to challenge for the round. Mactanzu has been closed so many times, it is really disappointing to see alliances that give him shelter every round.
Angels should stick to the core, rebuild. You guys have nothing to prove to anyone. The core are awesome players, and i would be proud to play with just the core once again, no matter what others think.

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What about Conspiracy Theory support planets?
Or Wolfpack's whooping membercount?

Yeah, and probably the nicks mentioned in the post too.

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Im more of a custard and peaches man tbh

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What about your crap intel?
Or some people in your bg being closed?

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if we got support planets I'd sure like to know where the hell they are, we could use the extra fleets :/

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Considering some of the loltastic fleets I saw defending fenix the other day I really wouldn't go too far down that road.

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People and their newbiethreads :(

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really? surely it's been nice and swell sailing so far for you homes

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That would be so r8, wouldnt it.

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I 100% agree with this above.

But what is wrong with that mail? Forgive me for not seeing that email showing Ass or Angels as 'noobs' I see mails like that from alliance HCs every day. Its done by HCs to keep morale high and for members to keep following them.

Now. Ffrom the intel i gathered i heard Pack tried to attack angels hard last nite? But according to sandmans Pack are the one in the red on roids and Angels are still standing in green. So they cant be doing that badly. Seems Ass speech did the trick.

Plus, well done. Youve just of course made it more clear they obviously have a spy in the alliance. Although all alliances have spies ofc, but your making it hell of a lot easier to track via posting in public boards like this. Next time keep spying intel in your own alliance. Thats usally more useful.

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I don't know, I never paid much attention, but there was one closed already. I think I mentioned it to alexis, he would have the detail. Also, if you feel like it, you may contact me on IRC for details. You know who I am. I can point you out the exact member of Conspiracy whose "relative" the planet in question was controlled by, and you can double check for strangely covered defence calls on given planets from your defence feeds.
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It's not crap. If you mean the out of tag Conspiracy support planet I was refering to, I can provide with evidence (although, the scans are probably purged already, and the planet possibly deleted, but there's still logs around).

I'm not the only one saying Wolfpack has more than 70 members, but also, if enquiried, I'm sure Conspiracy High command would have further evidence. Of course, I have too.

I'm not talking as a representative of my battlegroup.
My account isn't closed.

Again, I'm not talking as a representative of Angels either, so I wouldn't know. I merely pointed out, that if breaking of rules has happened on the Angels side (as according to current incidents), it's not the only side. Wolfpack planets have also been closed (Daz, and whoever the other guy was), a planet that was consistently defending Ct has been closed (a cousin of a Conspiracy member). These are facts. If you want me to back up my claims, please contact me on IRC.

Or perhaps so r9.5 *cough* LDK *cough* corsair?



Again, I'm not a representative of my battlegroup, nor the alliance I'm a member of. I'm merely stating that both Wolfpack and Conspiracy have had their planets (so far) closed for cheating too.

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I'd be honestly amazed if you didn't actually know considering your level of knowledge concerning the affairs of other alliances. And to be honest it sounds like more angels planets, and certainly more prominent ones, have been closed. I'm quite sure everyone has cheaters in their alliance, although I'd be very entertained if I found out someone in ascendancy was cheating, but the weight of evidence rather leans against angels in this matter. Although it's going to be hilarious if people like elviz get reopened with 3 of 4 days income on 1600 roids, can I get closed for a while please? :(

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Wasn't I just slagged for having shit intel? (edit. If you are refering to the Fenix incident, I actually haven't paid much attention. I've never been silent about how I feel about activities of certain groups of players, though.)

True, but...

Of course, there are "bigger names" involved in a case given, but you can't exactly claim that if an alliance is knowingly recruiting beyond given limits, that people leading the alliance (prominent names too, such as NitinA), who should be by the head multihunter's announcements well aware of the rules, aren't responsible for arranging a scale of cheating too. Especially if they have organized plans on how to use the excess planets. I'd define it as organized cheating coming from prominent members of the community, too.

Again, I'm only basing this on various sources. If required, I can talk more in private, but this isn't a place to spam with details.

Down to it, though, a cheating planet is a cheating planet, and is a member of an alliance, no matter what his/her nick is. The position in the alliance obviously makes difference, and the scale of the cheating (organizing an alliance level cheating, planetary level cheating, organizing against the rules support planets, be it whatever).

Indeed! Remains to be seen, eh.

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Not by me.


Nah, the support planets rule was hazy and unclarified at the start of the round.

Well, do you have 5 definite closed planets from either wolfpack or ct?

Your second sentence here does rather contradict the general gist of your post.

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Maybe I was being unclear. What I tried to say, is, that a planet, or five planets, getting closed is players cheating. Once you organize a score of support players for an alliance, come up with plans on how you're able to bend the rules and avoid getting punished for it, that reaches a different level. A poor allegory would compare a pickpocket or street thief to a mafia. (to make it clear: both, given that they are against the rules, should lead to closure of the people in question. I just find the second particularily dire.)

It's not the first time rules are changed or clarified midround. They're now very clear. And breaking them is against the rules.

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Working out how to get around the rules isn't cheating, it's good strategy. Obviously when the rules are then changed mid-round it becomes awkward, what were they changed to, are x,y and z now prohibited? This wasn't exactly made very clear, as we can see by people asking what was allowed on PD. And again I haven't seen much difference between angels and wolfpack. However I'm pming you on irc now for details!

Yeah but as I said if both alliances have planets doing this and then one of the alliances has other forms of cheating going on the other alliance is obviously the bigger alliance in terms of cheating.

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Angels! Into the sky to win or die!

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The point I think we're looking to grasp here is that a rule as uncertain as the support planets rule means that it moves, which means its subject to influence and having the goalposts moved and basically can be used as a nice strategy to get your opponents deleted if you can wangle your own brilliantly thought of interpretation. Likewise you can get out of it by giving your own brilliantly thought of interpretation. I'm not sure why we even call it a rule considering how ridiculously wide and flexible it is.

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On topic of Angels. Angels are influencing this round more than any other alliance. Because WolfPack released Angels coords, Angels have a bloodthirst for WolfPack and will keep hitting them 'till the end. This makes sure CT can slowly outgrow WolfPack by roiding WolfPack heavy galaxies etc. Angels says that once WolfPack is down, they'll switch to Conspiracy, but who are they kidding?
I mean seriously, three days ago Conspiracy fleetcaught an ND planet, when i asked drillmaster sgt. duck he said it was because this ND planet was the 2nd hostile planet against CT. Now, for those of you not watching the rankings, ND is way down there doing random gal raids (up until 2 days ago) and we hadn't talked to ANY alliances at all 'till then. So HOW ON EARTH can a member of an alliance that's doing random galraids become the 2nd hostile planet? The only way I can see that happening is:
1) A whole lot of coincidence.
AND
2) CT has had a pisseasy round incomewise.
OR
3) Sgt. duck is a liar :(
This round is just as politically screwed up as every round which Angels plays.
Outcome: Conspiracy wins, WolfPack, Angels and all other alliances lose. Who can we thank for this? Angels.

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Problem though, ND has never played for themselves this round, they've been in the pockets of WP since day 1.

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Because they took our members and made sure we had to play YET ANOTHER rebuild relaxed round? Yeah I can see how that would cause good relations.
No, we hadn't talked to WP untill 3 days ago.

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we have angels to thank for WP releasing their co-ords and all other alliances loosing? i can see how they played a blinder there. gg superfly and the angels command :salute:

but then again i guess its easy to name a scapegoat for it, and round after round you all blame angels.

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I think he means that because Angels can't look past something that happened and because of this refuses to work together with other alliances, just like it was in the past, Conspiracy will be able to win. It is history repeating every single round for Angels.
That's what I think he means anyway..

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Anyone who's been noticing AD for any time will also notice that cura is just filled with nothing but hate for duck, because apparently it was his fault that ND lost r19. Seriously cura, shut up.

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So it was boohoo for 3 weeks then best buddies again.

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I would like to jump on this 'we hate Duck' bandwagon so that I can add blame to him on being an 'angry' duck instead of being a 'happy' duck.

But seriously, Angels should not get involved in the CT/WP thing and just go ftw themselves!

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first of all Cura is a punk, and he's using ND (putting their members in the shit, this means that he is using ND's members, who will eventually pay for his pushing the aggression with their rounds being screwed because of constant retaliation and not enough fleets to cover anything, Simply so Cura can settle his own personal agenda.) CT did fleetcatch an ND planet who HAD been hostile to us numerous times and WAS hostile to us on the night in question. So we're supposed to give him a free pass because he's ND?...wrong answer.(keep in mind, I have friends in ND, long time friends, and I probably would have ordered the recall if it had been handled diplomatically instead of his just acting like he's a big deal and threatening CT.. we had no intel on the planet, so didn't know it was ND until he told us) HE Attacked CT, and didn't jgp himself before landing, thats on him. We responded to his attack, and it wouldn't matter if he attacked CT once or a hundred times, he attacked CT, so we are perfectly within our right to go after him and make sure that particular fleet doesn't show up on our radar for a while.

Second, as stated above, if Cura (or any ND HC/Officer) had pm'd me, and said "your fleetcatching a ND member", I would have seen this as "well no reason to worry about an alliance that's not in the top 10, we have bigger fish to fry" and I would have ordered it recalled. What sealed the deal was when punk boy threatened me... he chose to be a moron, as opposed to being civil, so we didn't pull. Apparently Cura is under the impression that being ND gives them a free pass to roid whoever they want, without being subject to retaliation, in which case, he is sadly mistaken.

If ND want's to fight Cura's little fight, his personal axe to grind, for him....more power to them, they have nothing to do with the fight for #1, they are not even close, so ALL they are is WP flak. What makes me laugh is, they always say, "we're no one's puppets" well don't look now......

edit: spelling

Re: Angel Delight
 

Was Cura the planet that was fleetcaught? If it is then duck is right. If it isn't, then how is Cura NOT defending his members by hitting CT in retalliation? I'd like to think that the alliance I'm in wouldn't just ignore me getting fleetcaught and losing all my ships, leaving me with a ruined round with no revenge.
Also, if Cura wasn't the planet that got fleetcaught, then it looks to me that your (duck) little rant is mainly trying to rally up the ND members against Cura, you know as well as I do that most people won't recall a fleetcatch where your alliance can win ships if they ask nicely. So don't try to feed us that bullcrap because I don't think any of the readers here are stupid enough to fall for it.

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On the bright side, at least ppl are fighting this round!

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it was his bp member (atleast his galaxy), not his planet... I'm not saying ND shouldn't hit us.. it's not my place to decide what they hit, but they are in fact fighting Cura's little crusade for him, and when it's time to pay the bills, they are who will suffer for him attacking CT, not him. He can just sit back like usual and blame it all on everyone but hiself... or maybe he'll get hax0red again and send a phantom alliance wide mail to their members (basically he was caught in a bold face lie in round 19, sent a mail to the members of ND, then denied sending it in our HC channel. Ofcourse the alliance log showed him as the sender, so he claimed he "must have been hacked") Others can verify that, Assassin for example was there.

the point is, Cura has a personal axe to grind, his members shouldn't have to fight and get targetted because of his personal agenda, no HC should ever put their membership in that position. I'm certainly not trying to rally ND's members to do anything. Those who wanted to leave before round 20 did leave, those who wanted to stay stayed, no big deal. I'm simply pointing out the root of Cura's anger and how he is using ND's members to support his personal agenda

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Its a definition question really. If someone fleetcatches one of your members, i would try to get him rebuilt and happy roiding elsewhere. Having a grudge against an ally because one of your members are fleetcaught is rather silly especially when cura apperantly acted like a dick when asking to get ct to recall.

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Cura's grudge isn't about an ND planet being fleetcaught, it's Cura using it as an excuse to bitch moan and complain about me, and CT... end of the day, it's his agenda, and ND is going to have to tow the load for his hostility. You would think that as HC of an alliance, you would do what you can to put your members in the best possible position to have good planets, especially if your small and know your not fighting for #1, You certainly wouldn't start crap with an alliance twice your size knowing they'd eventually get sick of your crap and blast your planets into parking lots. He didn't "ask" me to get a recall, he threatened me, and after the threat, why the hell would I even consider cutting the planet in question a break... There are about 50 different scenario's that would had resulted in my ordering a recall, Cura chose the one that didn't. You would think that after all these rounds he would have been smart enough to know he wasn't going to get anywhere with me, let alone threatening me and CT, there are plenty of ppl in ND that I consider a friend, and any one of them would have gotten a completely different result. By the way, this isn't a rant, simply explaining the view from my side of the table. If ND continues to hit CT, that's certainly their choice, and this is a war game, but you better damn well believe that every roid they take, we are going to take back plus interest.

With that in mind, this thread wasn't created to discuss Cura's hard on for me, and CT. I've made my point ,feel free to pm me on IRC if you have questions...

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I don't know, it looks to me that Cura is just doing his best to protect his members, if I was the person that got fleetcaught I'd be happy that my HC is doing what they can to make sure I feel like I got my revenge, if it means an alliance with twice as many members to target me then so be it. Atleast I got their attention and they know they can't just bully me around by fleetcatching me without consequences.
I also can't know if Cura is infact not doing anything at all, if he isn't doing anything then shame on him. I'm sure his members will let him know what they feel about him when the time comes.

But just for the record, ND (ranked 15 with 30ish members) is targetting CT (ranked 2 with max members) and no of the other alliances get involved? The fact if Cura screwed up totally besides the question, but it looks to me that ND atleast has the balls to fight this round, unlike most other alliances.

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you don't have to be intelligent to off yourself, you simply have to know how to make the cut. Remember that their planet Attacked CT, and as a RESULT, was fleetcaught. Getting your entire alliance involved in an unneccesary fire fight with an alliance twice your size isn't protecting your members, it's throwing them under the bus to cover your own personal agenda. Thier planet attacked CT, CT responded, it should have, and could have stopped there.

Like I said above, this isn't about an ND planet being fleetcaught, it's about Cura looking for an excuse to start crap with me and CT, and he's going to get his members fragged for it.. Nice work

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CT grew tired of hitting their own members galaxies? :o