xVx naps Ascendancy
 

Good grief. What have greed turned xVx into? :)

Anyways, as pr normal nothing organised lasts for longer than a couple of weeks in PA.

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

It's more than that. Ascendancy have agreed with xVx that it's tag shall not finish above theirs regardless of what happens during the remainder of the round. Of course, given the relative roidcount and levels of incoming this is likely just a formality.

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

TOOT THE SUPPORT tag does not feel it's subjected to this agreement and as a result we will be aiming for #1. Thank you and good day.

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

Remind me to remember this post at the end of the round when you get your 4 in a row :)

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

well can't say i'm deeply shocked. I, however, do not think asc will let xvx win.

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

It will happen. As far as Ascendancy is concerned xVx have won and we are now pursuing goals apart from alliance rank. If, somehow, we do get too close to xVx (unlikely since we won't be hitting them) our tag score will be adjusted down appropriately. There was overwhelming support within the alliance for this course of action.

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

I suggest disbanding on the last tick if we're in the lead!

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

Well, what you are doing makes sense. Effectively handing xVx the biggest non contested win in PA's history.

And I'm not criticizing you for it, mere the fact that the stupidity of the coalition that did not understand that this was actually going to happen.

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

I'm not in it, so I can't be sure, but I think everyone in tag is HC this round. All it takes is one individual who feels we should stick to our agreement to make it happen.

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

we expected xvx to have more balls than this to be brutally honest

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

Now xVx should be targetted :P
Then asc will go down aswell ;)

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

xVx are taking the easy road, that's true, but I can hardly fault them for it. If someone offers you a sizable sum of cash, do you reject it "because it's too easy"?


It's a NAP, not a block. I'm pretty sure xVx is still napped to the BGs anyway, so this will strictly be an Ascendancy vs BGs thing. Taking down xVx does not hurt us in any way.

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

don't be serious, its run by CarDinaL. (no offense to him, but still).

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

well, considering the offer JBG was planning...that you guarentee xVx the round win if they hit the BGs with you...i trust this clause was added also or??

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

What the hell does this have to do with "balls"?

xvx have two options to secure the round win: keep fighting us or take the NAP.
With the first option, there's always a chance that the BGs will turn on them and let us back in. With the second option, even if the BGs turn on them, we'll let them win. The second option is also a lot easier to do...

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

aye - we're the stupid ones.

god forbid anyone does something which can realistically defeat ascendancy for a change.

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

Do you understand what "NAP" means? No, that clause was not added, I just said that xVx is still napped to them.



You pulled it off. Congratulations. :)

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

hold on. xvx have 2 options

option 1: BG's might turn on xVx
option 2: if BG's hit asc - asc will make sure xvx win

so the BG's can screw over xVx but apparently asc are incapable of doing the same thing to them?



Thanks?

so now asc is basically conceding the round win and just want to bully those who challenge them? gg :p

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

You guys had no intention of defeating us. Not one of you was intending to try and finish above us, your only aim was to drag us down by sheer weight of numbers and none of you had any intention of stopping. That's all well and good, but then let's not pretend we're playing for alliance rank anymore. If it's just a fight you guys want then let's have at it.

As for xVx I honestly have no idea what they intend to do, but best of luck to them whatever it is.

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

It's a sad day indeed that a tag would even contemplate such a length to ensure another wins. Tho ofc no-one believes this for a second.

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

I do not wish to be in any BG right now. Because what will happen is something very, very strange. They will get incoming! Organized ones. They will get hell unleashed. It will be fun!

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

NAPs can be terminated and usually notice is given. NAPs are in effect every tick between the start and end of it. Our agreement to let xvx finish above us isn't really in effect any tick other than the last, so in order to "win" we'd have to go back on our word, which I don't think will happen.

Yes we could decide to go back on our word, but I don't think Ascendancy have ever done this before.

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

I would have called the "stop hitting you point" when ND and CT passed you

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

Bring - It - On!

Ty :|

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

Please, you would need another 400 planets to achieve that.

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

As if the bgs would turn on xvx and allow asc to get into the fight for top spot again.

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

i like asc's thinking. You now expect the battle groups to turn on xvx and level the gap and you will take 1st place from under the feet of xvx and systematically screwing the battle groups and xvx at the same time. Agreements are there to be enforced and broken, so you can appreciate why people don't believe you will stick to this agreement

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

Fortunately it's no longer important what you believe.

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

Prejudging the BGs is dumb, everyone was up for hitting Asc for atleast another week or 2, and why would we hit xVx? We aint got shit on xVx's tactics up until tonight.

Stop trying to put thoughts into xVx's head. At the end of the day this was probably a certainty anyway, seeing as Asc have about 20 members in xVx anyway...

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

I think you forget, most BG's aim was to not stagnate the game, which Ascendancy have tried to do from the off

Over recruiting
Teaming with fully tagged alliances to hit smaller BGs
Using the lack of support rule to your advantage

and now Ascendancy are further stagnating the game by allowing a #1 contender to go unchallenged.

At this current time i'm more annoyed at xVx to be honest, or the people that matter, Liths. BGs gave them a chance to win the round, both had common goals, xVx to get #1, and BGs to stop Ascendancy from being gay. BGs kept their side of the bargain, xVx took the easy road to #1, and i'm not even sure if that road will get them to #1.

PA community sucks to be quite honest

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

If asc are gonna let xvx win why keep planets in tag? as so many of ur posters claim if ur not first who cares....... surly it dnt matter if u come last tbh so long as ur not above xvx.

If your plan is to really just mess up the BGs round then drop members now as a sign of good faith since most of ur guys are in gal i dnt think u need alliance eta toooo much.

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

it's called defence, and it is pretty nifty when fighting people.

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

So to summarise: the bgs have won! They had one goal coming into this round, and its been accomplished. I'm sure they all had a lot of fun as well. Well played chaps.

Lets hope alliances like ascendancy that are stuck in the old way of playing follow their trend in the future.

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

only 60 count

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

I think he meant that it would take a bigger weight of numbers against Asc for them to be dragged down to CT/ND level.

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

He means another 400 hitting us

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

The BGs don't want this round to stagnate as that would leave the #1 alliance to roid them dry. If the status quo were to remain, we would have died and xvx would have run away with it and started to roid the BGs, so yeah I can understand why people thought the BGs would switch to hitting xvx.

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

Let this be noted to all of you. A true genius at work!

HOORRRAY for the BGS!

:salute:

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

delete account and just say mission accomplished, asc didnt win? :p

That being said, asc are retarded doing this, as all would have turned on cardi in a day or 2 anyway, and asc would have rollercoasted to #1 this round :p

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

You talk out your ass mate. Still atleast another weeks worth of roids to gain from Ascendancy, and then that leaves what? 2 weeks left? Even if BGs turned on xVx, theyd have at most 1 week left of the round to hit them, which at that point would be pointless, and undermine what they've done.

If your going to blatently lie, then just keep lieing to yourself. Don't bring it to forums.

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

So alliance ranking is pretty much worthless now.

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

Yeah great, then Asc finish first, second and third and you have something else to complain about, team up to a laughable point where you vastly outnumber your opponents then run around forums pretending you are like Flash Gordon saving the world.

I am usually a master of self restraint but whilst i love the fact that so many none Asc posters have become active again the standard of posting most certainly hasn't improved.

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

If you're going to slag off my posting, at least make a good post yourself dude. Reasons why your first paragraph reaks of stupidity:

The asc-core is probably 30 people or so (maybe as many as 50? who knows) - most of the alliance are people who are not die-hard ascendites. If we had a new planetarion where alliances were groups of 20-40, mostly playing in the ascendancy-spirit, they wouldn't go "OMFG I WILL MAKE AN ASCENDANCY-2 TAG AND BE THEIR BITCHES" - they will go "interesting, lets get a group of people and compete for #1"

Understand?

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

That easily happens when big part of the universe plays to prevent one alliance from winning instead of trying to win themselves.

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

as a reaction to one alliance (arguably) making things too easy for them to win themselves....

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

Let me tell you a bit about the balance of power and the role of the BG-s in it.

The battlegroups and small alliances all fighting asc at the moment are not doing so because they hate asc or want them to lose. They are purely doing so because of self interest.

The first BG-s linked up after asc hit evo gals one night and dlr gals the next day. As the battlegroups have the best roidrank in the game and being small make themselves easy targets to be taken on by a larger alliance, it was vital for the survival of the battlegroups to ally themselves against asc. Other battlegroups, due to similar self interest jumped on board as by directing fleets outwards on asc the coalition didn't receive any incomings themselves from each other.

Enter balance of power. To quote wikipedia:

I would also suggest all you HC wannabes to familiarize yourselves with the neorealist school of international relations. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoreal...onal_relations)

Anyway, currently there are two alliances in Planetarion capable of winning round31. This is purely due to other alliances having only 60 or so members thus making them effectively unable to compete with 90 member alliances for the top1 spot. By hitting asc the battlegroups balanced those two top1 powers giving xvx a chance to go for top1, they jumped on the bandwagon and now we're seeing a situation with asc having a 30k roid deficit. It was vital for the battlegroups to start hitting xvx anyway to keep the balance between the top alliances and keep them fighting by doing so. Asc is unwilling to hit xvx at the moment because there is no point, they'll still end up top2. They did try that a few days after xvx joined the coalition but failed miserably thus trying option number 2 - hit the BGs one by one to force them out of the coalition. Unfortunately asc have been forced on the defencive and they've not really been attempting to do that, excluding a few hits on bg gals + numerous fleetcatches. Thus after losing the balance of power we had for a few days (when xvx and asc were truly htiting each other) the battlegroups started to receive more incomings themselves. In order to keep the top 2 alliances fighting the battlegroups should've eased up their attacks on asc and eventually, drop the nap with xvx and hit them instead. The top2 alliance always needs to have an incentive to go for top1 and that is achieved by balancing them by external forces.

What xvx has effectively done is a preemptive move against such a development. They clearly saw it coming as no battlegroup, even the ones lead by asc-hating-fanatics like wishmaster and venox, would hit an alliance with less than 600 avg roids. Besides if xvx were to grow too strong then, accorting to the balance of power theory, the bgs would've turned against xvx anyway in a preemptive move to keep the balance between top1 and top2. If xvx were to get too strong, they would start to hit the battlegroups one by one as well, just like asc did in the beginning of this round. Unfortunately by this move xvx have shot themselves in the leg a bit. There was hope that the coalition would keep hitting asc no matter what until the end of the round because of deep hatered and other reasons (such as believing xvx would never hit bgs one by one instead of going for noob roids). Now the battlegroups will be forced to hit xvx tho to force them to rank2 thus giving them the incentive to fight for top1 and hit asc to do so.

Of course xvx will just try to hit nonnapped BGs from now on and do galraids on easy targets but a number of battlegroups have already started to consider dropping naps with xvx thus this plan might backfire asap. Believing that xvx+asc would be able to kill of all of the bgs one by one is a bit naive too as xvx would go down while doing so thus leaving ascendancy to get an easy victory.

The most surprising part of xvx's strategical thinking is highlighted by this quote:

<@Cortana> the condistion was
<@Cortana> asc WILL let xvx finish above them
<@Cortana> thall asc members voted for it
<@Cortana> because they want to hit bgs
<@Cortana> for rest of rounds

That's like giving a gun to a professional killer with him promising that he won't kill you. What the hell people, do you really believe asc consider themselves as losers just because of a roid deficit which would melt away in days? If the battlegroups try to balance the 2 top alliances and really hit xvx with full force, cardi will be asking for a nap in around 4-5 days maximum.

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

Oh noes, using the rules to our advantage. How very very mean of us.

EDIT: Also, I actually completely understand most people not trusting asc to actually follow through with this. But personally, I'm pretty sure we always stick to our agreements. And when it's stated as bluntly as it is, there's really no way around it.

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

Ascendancy didn't hit any evo gals before we hit them. I believe DLR were the first to get Ascendancy incs. The BG's were well aware PRE-ROUND that Ascendancy would tear us all apart one by one if we were divided and there were "plans" or atleast "plans to make plans" incase a situation like that arose. It did, the BG's acted together and at tick 600+ are still together. Thanks to killerbee mostly for assembling the group originally although I'll be taking credit for the idea ty o/.

I don't hate Ascendancy, especially not "fanatically" and considering I don't know you let alone ever spoken to you before, I'd prefer if you didn't make such short sighted and ill informed suggestions. I play PA for fun and I find fighting Ascendancy, who have arguably the best, most talented and intelligent players, a lot more fun than I would sitting in Ascendancy touching other peoples e-penises and fighting against lesser opposition who I won't be challenged by. I think Ascendancy are the best alliance, thats why I don't join them (what difference could I possibly make there?) and inevitably am always fighting against them.

On topic, congrats xVx for ending the round at tick 600, at least the BG's survived longer than we all originally hoped for and have the added bonus of preventing Ascendancy winning their 4th in a row.

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

I've got an idea, lets out extreme them by pooling loads of numbers against them that might work...

Re: xVx naps Ascendancy
 

Yes, I totally agree. We should follow rules that don't exist. Also, see Theam's topic.

Are you seriously accusing us of blocking? I find this hilarious for obvious reasons.

Had the NAP between xVx and the BGs been dropped two days earlier, we would've taken a different decision. Had the BGs created 3 tags instead of 6, we would've taken a different decision. Had we felt like playing more hardcore than we are now, we would've taken a different decision. We're in this situation now because of the decisions we all took. Don't delude yourself, there were only two ways your strategy could've played out: either we we were going to come out on top, or the BGs were going to be hard pressed.

Since you did everything in your power to avoid the first outcome, don't pretend to be Mr Innocent when the alternative rears its ugly head. You created this situation just as much as we did.

If your strategy was to keep the balance of power (as per HK's post) then this thread is a strong indicator of it failing miserably. Right now, there is no balance of power, at least not between xVx and Ascendancy. Time to step up to the plate.

As for your last line, according to you, the goal was to make sure Ascendancy didn't win. Mission accomplished. Why are you angry?



This is hardly anything new.



I liked your post, it was quite interesting. The part I quoted is meaningless though: what we consider ourselves to be is irrelevant. We can all think we're superman, but in the end, the only thing that matters is which alliance appears at the top of the list. The agreement is that if Ascendancy finds itself in first place while xVx is in second place, we will drop members until that changes.