Mehh
 

Hi guys.

Right, NFI have just given NewDawn a pre-agreed 16-hour notice period on our NAP termination.

The way I see it is this:

There was no way, with the politics staying as they were, NFI were going to lose tag win. I think that's pretty much agreed upon by all.

Meanwhile what was happening was NewDawn were hitting everyone and nobody was hitting them back because of their NAP with Asc. This included hitting planets not in NFI in NFI-heavy gals whilst we weren't allowed to def (a tactic we repeated once and got all sorts of abuse for - oh, the irony). Then they were targetting alliances like Osi and ODDR knowing there was nothing they could do about retals, and all the while I had DigitalZero bitching at me in pm "are you trying to end the NAP then?" every five minutes, despite that not being my intention at the time.

The rest of the round was set to be very boring for everyone concerned, and I'm sure you will all be glad that there is going to be a bit of action at last.

Implications for NFI:

Yes, we backed out of a previous promise to maintain nap until round end. We didn't think though that this would be non-aggressive only though, as after one night of incoming NewDawn napped our opposing "block" by proxy (asc) as to avoid any and all incomings, whilst alliances like CT had to pay the price. That, and the lolwaves we're still getting - although, the lolwaves have been the most fun we've had this round.

We may now find ourselves in a position whereby we have no naps (apart from CT who have been amazing to work with this round) and being attacked by everyone over the entire universe. We've worked out an agreement with App for the time being which you should all be able to see on the universe page.

Basically though, we might well lose tagwin, not get anywhere near planet or galwin, and end the round having acheived nothing.


You know what though? We're absolutely A-OK with that. We've done enough to secure tagwin already so if we don't win now it will be due to a desire to test NewDawn and see how they hold up against incomings from an alliance they can't pick on. If we don't win it will because I didn't like the thought of NewDawn telling me that if Phant was still winning come the last 2 days they were gonna break the nap and roid him.

RE: Phant

Yes, I'm aware he pissed a lot of people off, but personally I'd rather Phant won after pissed a couple of people off but being made to fight for his rank, than Mythx won after not having been challenged at all in the last 700+ ticks. Nothing personal, Mythx - you played as best you could in the political climate NFI and ND created over the universe, but I still don't think you've 'earned' your right to be where you are. You have 9 days to prove me wrong.

As for everyone else...

Do what you please, I don't doubt you'll be approached by either myself or NewDawn or possibly both. I don't want to turn this into an "all on newdawn" scenario as this isn't about bashing them for the sake of it. We stand nothing to gain from this, but feel it's required to spice up the remainder of the round and open things up a bit.

That's all for now, unless I remember something in a minute and edit my post.

Edit: "ND Have been riding our coattails and fencing the entire round out, and have now been talking to alliances to outright backstabb us. In response to ND's lack of living up to the intent of the agreement made, we're now dropping the NAP with them and will be working together with anyone else who belives ND might finally deserve some incoming this round"

I thought I'd mentioned.

Thanks,

[NFI] HC

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Er, people aren't pissed off because he fought for his rank. If anything I barely saw him attacking ascendancy, dunno about apprime, at all. Instead he was off waving xvx planets and getting escorts every which way and waffling on like some faggot in various people's pm windows. Let's get our facts straight here.

Yeah. That's why you napped apprime right? Because yourselves and CT weren't enough to take out ND? You did this because a) you were worried someone else might beat you to it and b) for the #1 planet rank. Implying you could actually lose the #1 tag rank by napping apprime and hitting ND is hilarious.

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i just wanna reply with 1 word :

weak

Re: Mehh
 

Nice, the first decent choice made sofar.
Few weeks late tho

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Yay, so you've manipulated your friends.

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on that, i can agree :D

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I didn't say people were pissed off because he fought for planet rank. There was something about something he said to xvx in an ingame mail or something. There were no incorrect facts there.

Dropping ND nap means being exposed to every alliance that isn't CT - ND were given that opportunity to hit us with everyone and they turned it down about 9 days ago (we know this as you yourselves came to us moments after they said no and offered us an avoidance agreement so you could all bash NewDawn, which we refused) (consider us even on that front, nd!).

Now the ND nap is being dropped, literally anything could happen, including us losing the tag win. The only things that are now certain for the rest of the round is that NFI and ND will no longer be napped.

Don't go all disapproving on me after bitching at me for being boring, JBG.

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and still no gangbang on NFI which any other top alliance would have had to face :( you need a baptism of fire at some point to be a decent alliance! :devil:

app you fools you should have not taken a side, help ND for a bit then NFI so as to keep them fighting each other, what I thought asc and app were working for over the last few weeks. Seems app's grasp of strategy is as weak as ever.

Re: Mehh
 

boring and way too late.

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I love how nothing is ever good enough for most of you trolls on here.

Stick with one thing, you bitch. Go the other way, you bitch.

Makes for enjoyable reading I suppose - the hypocrisy on here is some of the best - maybe second only to religious fanatics.

Lets not be naive here, seeing all I've ever read from you mostly is sound arguments unless you're using said reputation as interesting propaganda.

As if it would be 'us' vs ND. Don't pretend for one second that if we didn't secure a little bit of support (or simply don't hit us), that this wouldn't turn into a "Uni vs NFI" scene.

You could call us out as not being as willing as App and Asc in the past to take on these numbers, but frankly we don't need to measure up to anyone's performance in the past - we just need to win this round and enjoy doing it.

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I was going to write a really long post pointing out how you're being utterly hypocritical, but instead I'll summarize by posting this.

Re: Mehh
 

I assume that comment was directed at me, mz?

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That sounds like asc and app wanted to take on the whole universe when they won rounds which is silly! Anyone would want an easy ride to 1st with no gangbangs. It is not your fault rather the universe's fault for not doing what it usually does. The balance of power does not seem to be working in PA this round whereas PA could often be used as a model for an International Relations student! :banana:

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So basicly, NFI dropped nap with ND and napped APP to get #1 planetrank back...

Funny to see NFI doesn't want to "war" anybody without outnumbering their opponents.
Even more funny that ND in all their nap to 2ND greatness did not see this coming.

Lame way to end an crappy round.

Re: Mehh
 

Edited it. It's aimed at NFI.

Re: Mehh
 

Nice way to treat your ally, which wouldn't backstab you

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There I fixed it for you....

As for Phant, it is not about what he said, attacking us 15 times overall and resorting to escorts 400 ticks before round end pretty much did the trick. He single-handedly managed to bring two allies in against NFI so I guess we should thank him for the end of this NAP.

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About time someone showed some ballz,maybe the shit round will have a half decent finish

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Our top planets are still going to be lolwaved, just with ND instead of App.

And ND, I expect, will be working with Asc, (so already the two biggest alliances outside of NFI), xvx (because Phant pissed them off), VGN (who apparently don't like us) and ODDR (due to doddy's friendship with unimatrix no doubt).

Meanwhile we have spoken to app and CT about hitting NewDawn, App nap'd us and CT are thinking it over.

I don't mind people talking about all the what-ifs and what-could-have-beens, but I'm not outnumbering anyone, merely trying to ensure that "everyone who isn't NFI or CT hit NFI now" doesn't happen, which is perfectly reasonable.

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Indeed, thats how we felt when almost every other alliance HC came to us regarding ND's flirtations in dropping the NAP and hitting NFI.

Either way gl all, may be too late for some but at least there will be some action at the finish

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Well not written anything since round 9.5 I see, but as I am back in the game I guess I should comment ;) I think it is a good decision as that nap should never have been there at all ;) as for them napping apprime, well ofc they will, only a fool or a moron chooses to fight against superior odds. It is a war and strategy game after all.

As for them hitting their allies in the back, well note it down and make sure you don't end up on the same spot next round ;)

Frozen

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Apprime falling to the level of another alliance's lapdogs is pretty funny.

Seems pretty sound strategy from NFI to protect planetranks though, regardless of necessity.

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Here is a long story short ND i gave you you're chance you rejected it at the very same time i gave you my word that i would not offer you another chance to hit NFI with our support.

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This is why you should never mix grammar altering drugs and alliance politics, kids.

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Well Firebird you could have seen that 1 coming. ND will never get involved into a situation where they actually have to do something (or as ND would describe it: they play for fun)

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Edited OP.

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Eloquent that certainly is not, but this whole situation should be a lesson to ND that sometimes not acting is as dangerous as acting, taking the initiative confers the advantage of choice.

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That you did, and I regretfully declined due to us wanting to stick by some friends for a change. Shows the true integrity of the alliances playing PA today. Can't even trust your friends in the game! Nobel or not, hate us or not; we atleast stick by our words. The only other alliance that stays true, and has for the past 3 rounds is Asc. So we were to drop the ASC nap to help CT which was unsure if they wanted to nap us anyways for the past how many rounds? And target asc on CT/NFI's behalf? No, I won't screw them over as friends either.

Lets enjoy this drama kenny just created.

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I wish you wouldn't lie. You were approaching alliances last night looking for support to turn on NFI, which is what has caused this.

And you (not nd, but specifically you) were never considered my (not NFI) friend. You're an evasive provocative twat to talk to, and you made the first moves on this one.

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I think he was talking about Ascendancy. The friendly neighbourhood alliance.

P.S. It's kind of funny, actually, how neither alliance you napped has gotten anything out of it. CT got raped and ND now gets stabbed and hit by 3 or more alliances while in second place.

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Don't know if ODDR will be wanting to help out ND especially not after unimatrix aproached doddy asking him to set up a relay from oddr.priv to ND and in return not be hit by ND...

And oh, lets not forget how much ND incs we've been recieving lately ;)

PS: If I was hc of ODDR (which I'm not), I'd just say **** it, let you guys battle it out & continue galraiding ;)

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He did whaaat?

Omg, I'm shocked to my very core :rolleyes:

Yes - this is ND being very wronged lol.

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Lets not make ND the villains of the piece here, talk is cheap. Simple fact is they did not betray NFI, whether or not that was simply because they could not get a coalition together. If they talked to people then perhaps they were simply less naive than you think, they certainly needed to keep lines of communication open given what ultimately happened. Their mistake was not talking; rather it was they should have been more circumspect.

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I did see the log of this, thought it was low. I hope Newdawn as a whole don't get tarnished with the bad brush for the actions of (hopefully) only 1 member.

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There's what, a week left of this round?

Not to be overly critical of anyone in particular, but this seems to be a case of too little too late, as "making the round interesting" goes.

I hope everyone involved have some fun, though.

Re: Mehh
 

stop posting lame exuses.
hypocrit

oh and you stand nothing to gain?
#1 planet #1 tag #1 gal?

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It's not going to make the round interesting, it just means ND will be bashed with the numbers NFI should have been bashed with (NFI/APP/OSI/ODDR vs ND/ASC)

It's sort of funny to see apprime fall this low, even cardi would have more pride than to be whipping boys for NFI :D

Some hilarious logs out there with Kenny saying Phant "earned" planet win too and that the ND dude didn't :D We actually attacked that ND planet 2 nights at the start of the round, roiding him once. BUT SURE, ND HAS HAD THE EASY RIDE AND DON'T DESERVE ANYTHING! Wtf.

Summery from marka is pretty much spot on though, only real reason for this is NFI wanting #1 planet, now that #1 alliance is secured. Pathetic that they need yet another nap to even make this move though. I thought you had already countered any ND/asc relationship by napping CT :down:

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Wont happen if the entire anti-NFI block hit our top gals/planets... which is what's going to happen in the event of a war.

8:2 is probably going to win, which isn't an "NFI gal".

the top planet rank isn't likely to fall to anyone outide the top 5, of whom 3 are newdawn. And even then, #6 and #7 are both newdawn, so we've got 2/7 odds of getting top planet - so to think we're expecting to have guaranteed luck is a bit silly.

If you ask nd HCs, they will confirm they made the first moves last night (unless they decide to be dishonest about it) and this is NFI's reaction to said moves. If you don't like it, take a look at what ND is doing before you criticize outwardly like this.

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Seriously, did you even read your post? You ARE turning it into all vs ND by openly inviting everyone to help hit them. You ARE hitting them for the sake of it. You are the only alliance that stands to gain ANYTHING by ND getting incs.

I believe NFI finally deserves some incoming this round. Lets not even mention bullshit waves from 16-22GMT when everyone is awake and have their fleet home anyway.

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Wow, two WHOLE nights? At the VERY START of the round? Poor guy! :rolleyes:

Tell you what, how about somebody screenshot his total incomings so far this round, and I shall post Phant's?

Don't even try and say ND have had anything to do this round, as the inaccuracy of this statement is incredible. They've not been teamed on more than once, which was the night before they napped asc to make it stop (lol).

Re: Mehh
 

Oh man, I thought you were gonna be objective in your posts until I read this.

I am telling people what NewDawn have done and why we're ending the NAP. NewDawn are now running round trying to get as many people to hit us as possible - they've even got a channel set up to organise it!

In terms of "who asked who"... I've asked CT for help in hitting ND and that's it. I've asked Osi to let us know which side of the fight they're going to sit - without asking for their help in hitting newdawn.

I'm taking no 'support gathering' measures that my opponents are not, zotters.

Re: Mehh
 

What anti-NFI block?
Even Asc has not committed to helping ND yet; Some ppl were arguing for hitting them this morning!

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I did not see this log, but I can assure you that this was only 1 member. When approached, I declined, as i will not fall to the ranks of the other alliance in this game that feels they need to use such tactics to rule the game. so this is beside the point.


as for me approaching other allainces to get to hit NFI? wtf are you on about man. I told you last week, we want #1 planet, you said we didn't deserve it. Thats where this whole spill started. Asc went out, without us talking to them, and hit phant, causing 1K roid loss. We didnt even ask them too, after that I said to them, gee maybe we should turn on NFI. I figured we would stick with NFI til the end, like the days of ND and BT, or hirr, when you could count on an ally to stick with you. 2weeks ago when the block was ready to hunt NFI, and had asked ND, we declined due to this reason, of allies being allies. now i see how it goes.

after amon was kicked from the channel and something was astir in the air, yea, I pm'd firebird and asked what their stance was in this whole thing and that we shouldnt be so hostile toward one another if our goal was common. He said to me that he offered 2 weeks ago and now couldn't. THIS WAS NOT GOING BEHIND YOUR BACK TO BREAK THE NAP, this was finding out where app's place was at if you guys decided to break the nap. If i was going against you, i would of pm'd osi, oddr, etc... and you would of heard from more than one alliance (app) that we were. instead you nap them, fall for whatever tactic they have because you can face not having #1 planet as well. So don't tell me my actions alone is what sparked this, if you wouldn't of snuck around behind sun and lordn's backs and kicked amon; then this post wouldn't exist. but for that, it does and now we are making sure we have backup in your backstab. 100% decided to stick behind you til the end, and now you dont have #1 planet, you need to **** with things?

no need to honor our "friends" anymore. anything else you need explained.

~DigitalZero

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Afaik Asc/App hit Phant because we thought it would drive a wedge between ND and NFI.... worked like a charm!

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Actually incs at the start of the round is way worse than now.

A) Salvage for anything crashing at the start is worth **** all, by now big attacks can easily net the attacked planet 100k+ value in salvage when they fail. Sure, some dude crashing 250k value to roid you at the start seems like a stupid land, but the value it would cost to roid a top planet like that now is 20x that price.

B) Your alliance was grounded to def. That makes it ten times easier getting def than when most your alliance is out attacking (like ND was when the other dude got hit)

C) You really think afternoon/evening waves being covered makes someone a worthy winner over another player? lulz@u

Ofc I only base this on my poor expirence managing top planets, I am sure you know how that works a lot better than me.

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God no we were loosing #1 planet?

If we had cared the smalles bit about this we'd have broken the nap 2 weeks ago and hit your T10 planets then.

To be fair, we even discussed our political situation last night (cause obviously we were getting tired of these lolwaves) and decided there was no point in breaking the nap with ND and that we wouldn't consider it in the situation we had then.

This all changed this morning tough, I bet you know why.

Let's fight tomorrow on even battlefields :-)

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DigitalZero your posts are no longer worth commenting on. Go babble somewhere else please.

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I don't. Why?

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surely its the opposite; the sooner you dropped the nap, the more time for a large coalition to form and knock you off the top spot. Waiting till near the last week and then maneuvering to have 3 top 5 alliances vs 1 or probably 2 really shows how much you care.

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i posted 2 times here, this is the third. you are the moron defending your tongue.