Planetarion Forums - US Army world tour - new dates to be confirmed

Planetarion Forums (https://pirate.planetarion.com/index.php)

- General Discussions (https://pirate.planetarion.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2)

- - US Army world tour - new dates to be confirmed (https://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=186845)

US Army world tour - new dates to be confirmed

Anyone surprised at this ?

apart from how long it took for Rumsfeld to find an excuse

Re: US Army world tour - new dates to be confirmed

I wonder if they have 'Made in Iran' on them.

Re: US Army world tour - new dates to be confirmed

why on earth would iran give iraq weapons? this is pretty poor even for them :(

Re: US Army world tour - new dates to be confirmed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Embroglio

why on earth would iran give iraq weapons? this is pretty poor even for them :(

Really? This data point would seem to fit right on the curve with their other activities. :/

Re: US Army world tour - new dates to be confirmed

is the US army in any fit state to actually invade Iran? Even discounting the fact that they are much tougher invasion proposition than Iraq was (this is actually just a guess, so feel free to say im wrong :) ) the army is bogged down IN Iraq making invading ANYWHERE else very difficult.

Unless some miracle happens soon the only way the US would be ready would be by basically admitting defeat in Iraq and leaving the poor domestic forces to deal with the troubles there.

Re: US Army world tour - new dates to be confirmed

and i thought this thread was about their nuclear program :(
no, i dont think they are in any state to invade iran. all they could possibly manage is a few air strikes and i doubt they would do that. the chinese would be pissed, the oil prices would rise even further and that wouldnt be very good for the economy.

Re: US Army world tour - new dates to be confirmed

Ahh so the weapons were in Iran all along, and then they moved them back into Iraq, but they were in Iraq before the war and they moved them to Iran at the start, so they are really.....

ummm did we find Osama yet?

Re: US Army world tour - new dates to be confirmed

If Iran was supplying arms to the Rebels/Insurgents its probably because they know there isn't a very high chance of them being invaded any time soon, or they wouldn't push their luck on the Nuclear issue at the same time, seeing how they invaded Iraq with far less evidence of a Nuclear programme. Thats how i see it (wrongly?).

It'd be 'interesting' if they did have the manpower to invade, tho. Attacking from both Afghanistan and Iraq would split the Iranian forces up, tho i don't know much about Iran's military strength, other than they used to have a load of old US stuff, so if someone more knowledgable could tell me what sort of a chance Iran would have, that'd be great.

Re: US Army world tour - new dates to be confirmed

i dont think sanctions (at least un-sanctions) are very likely. the chinese are in desperate need for oil and they just made some big deal with Iran. They blocked sanctions against Sudan, which, at the time, was slaughtering its own population, so i doubt they worry too much about a few nukes in Iran as long as they get oil.

Re: US Army world tour - new dates to be confirmed

i have no doubt that they attempt to get nukes, but personally i couldnt care less. its the fault of the US really, today you need nukes, just to be sure you are not the next target of their crussade against terrorism or whatever.

Re: US Army world tour - new dates to be confirmed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nantoz

I wonder if USA will also go to war against Russia.
I hear rumours that there might be AK-47s around Iraq somewhere....mere rumours of course.

because the ak-47 isn't the ingle most easily copied weapon in the world and isn't made in god knows how many different countries or anything

Re: US Army world tour - new dates to be confirmed

I must admit, it`s a bit rich Rumsfeld describing the Iranians as acting in an "unhelpful" manor. During the Iran-Iraq war, I seem to remember the Americans provided satelite photos and information to the Iraqs on Iran`s defences. This made the targeting of Iranian millitary assets by Iraqi artillery (very possibly involving chemical weapons) very effective; a fact that the Iranians have never forgot. Talk about being unhelpful.

Re: US Army world tour - new dates to be confirmed

I don't know why the US, UK and Europe are so worried. The Israeli air force has probably only to work out what picture to paint on the side of the bombers post mission before their plan to bomb the reactor is complete

Re: US Army world tour - new dates to be confirmed

Iran does not want nukes in order to protect themselves from American agression.
Iran does not want nukes so that they can bomb Isreal.
Iran does not want nukes so that they can invade neighboring countries.
Iran wants nukes so that they can become the big kid on the mid-East block.
Iran would like to see Iraq fail to develope a genuinely strong central government which would rival them for leadership in their neck of the woods.

Oh, by the way, Iran attacked US territory when they seized the American Embassy and kidnapped American citizens and refused to release them for quite a little while. So, I am not buying the poor Iranians as victims bs.

Re: US Army world tour - new dates to be confirmed

Quote:

Originally Posted by dda

Oh, by the way, Iran attacked US territory when they seized the American Embassy and kidnapped American citizens and refused to release them for quite a little while. So, I am not buying the poor Iranians as victims bs.

Oh, by the way, if we start counting terrorist acts the US would clearly be their very own next target.

Re: US Army world tour - new dates to be confirmed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nantoz

Hehe.

Did you catch the CSI-episode he wrote by the way? I heard it was quite good.

It was amazing.

Re: US Army world tour - new dates to be confirmed

Quote:

Originally Posted by dda

nn all. I have work tomorrow.

Re: US Army world tour - new dates to be confirmed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vaio

It was amazing.

it really was. the highlight was the autopsy dream sequence.

Re: US Army world tour - new dates to be confirmed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toccata & Fugue

But the US is the big kid on the block, so much bigger than everyone else.

It's interesting you used that phrase.

The US has been behaving like a big kid since 9/11. Striking out everywhere without thinking and creating new enemies where there were none before. If the UK had acted in the same fashion when the various irish terrorist groups (I believe that americans call them freedom fighters) were busy blowing up London and Manchester then Belfast would have been carpet bombed years ago.

Re: US Army world tour - new dates to be confirmed

ta for the neg rep whoever it was

Re: US Army world tour - new dates to be confirmed

i got negreped yesterday for this http://pirate.planetarion.com/showth...69#post2820269 !!! its from january, i guess someone was really bored

Re: US Army world tour - new dates to be confirmed

I say shoot all middle easterns* and the U.S. doesn't have to go on tour anymore.

*including Leshy

Re: US Army world tour - new dates to be confirmed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nantoz

Does it really matter? We aren't talking about people that are able to think logically and rationally. We are dealing with war-mongering, rabid, right-wing people looking for a fight.
This is like that big bully at your grade school, who would pummel you for looking at him funnily.*

its the difference between invading a country because you want its oil and you can use chemical weapons as a convenient excuse and invading one of the countries with teh most nuclear weapons in the world for no good reason as everyone and their dog knows that there are a good 30 countries at least turning out ak copies

please, argue when you have something approaching an opinion that wont just get you ridiculed

Re: US Army world tour - new dates to be confirmed

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toccata & Fugue

But the US is the big kid on the block, so much bigger than everyone else.

Different leagues. Iran does not want to be the biggest kid in the world, they want to be the biggest kid in their neighborhood.

Quote:

If we are using the taking of the US embassy as an excuse for all this then perhaps we should cast our minds back to the imposition of the Shah on the Iranian people, not really comparable are they.

No one said it was an "excuse" for anything. I was pointing out that the Iranians struck first before we started backing Iraq against them.

Quote:

Certainly its simply a logical assumption that more sabre rattling by the US and Israel only increases the likelyhood of Iran wanting nukes in order to defend itself from an openly hostile foreign power. What country backs down in the face of a security threat and agrees to do as their told? That's the point of the all the grandstanding by the US, to make Iran do something stupid so that they can have an excuse to take further action.

Grandstanding may be coming but "unhelpful" is pretty tepid language for grandstanding.

Quote:

This is not to say that the Iranian government are the last bastions of freedom or that Iran is a paradise

good, you got one right. [quote]simply that the US has no right to go stomping around that region throwing threats around.[/quote ]When did rights ever have anything to do with foreign policy?

Quote:

Iran wouldn't even bother with nukes if it weren't for this threat.

Surely you can't be this naive?

Quote:

One of the only fair things in such a discussion is to apply to our selves the same standards we apply to others, to fail to do this is the very definition of hypocracy. Why does the US have nukes? Should the UN be allowed to investigate US military installations? What about Israel? What about the UK?

Power is not about being fair. All foreign policy is ultimately unfair and hypocritical. To fail to recognize this is unfair and hypocritical.

Quote:

Before we accuse others of wanting to be the big kid we should perhaps look no further than the vast power that the US wields throughout the globe, power which has hardly been a force for good.

Which country has ever been a force for good by everyone else's standards? Why expect it? We are are a force for our good or at least think we are.

Quote:

I think DDA that you should also ask yourself if the US has done ANYTHING to reduce terror or WMD in the world? That's not a biased statement, its simply a question.

Time frame please.

Re: US Army world tour - new dates to be confirmed

Quote:

Originally Posted by dda

We are are a force for our good or at least think we are. .

I think that sums up the problem with US foreign policy.

What's good for the US is usually a disaster for everyone else concerned, including their allies..