Cluster Alliances
Christmas Round
- cluster alliances with predetermined HC teams. - teams of 5 can submit themselves to be Cluster leaders - community votes on their top 5 leadership teams - they are given a cluster to lead each |
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I think its a great idea, atleast it wouldnt be a repeat of that community round where one apprime troll spent two weeks of his life to wreck havoc as a "cluster leader". Community rounds can be much more entertaining and giving than normal rounds for a lot of people as they have to work with people they dont know, and usualy have to step up and do stuff likr setting up attacks and what not, wich theyve never done before in their normal alliances. A lot of the "pre PaX/PaN" magic was that the game was way more individualy/gal based than it is today. |
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The only change that could be made which could (might) persuade me to play a Christmas round would be to restore tick length to one hour. As it is now it is (just) a glorified form of havoc - and little, if any, more important.
If we want to try to restore some of the "glories of the past" then perhaps let's try a "genuine round" with random galaxies (for example). |
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Community round means playing with the community, not your small circle of friends/allies. The way the game is mostly played now days is dictated by strict alliance rules. Ie, last round VGN/ND/KittenZ/LionZ/etc members was forbidden to defend gal m8s vs incs from each others. Most players are threated as sheeps or bricks in some small group of people quest for gal or planet winz Last years xmas round was a relevation for me, seeing how incapable and toxic the general playerbase had become. Any changes that would make these community rounds better would be most welcome. |
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I wouldn't mind the thought of team captains for the xmas round
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As the previous winner of this round last year I better throw my two pennies in😬
Ticks have to be 15 mins to make the game fun + festive C allies sounds ok. But you will always have issues with leaks/bad hcs etc Last round was fine - galaxies and ppl set up their own groups 8 man priv gals and 12 man random gals |
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Regardless. Turn on cluster eta and allow the community to decide if it wants to re-create the cluster alliances of old. I used to find them quite useful and entertaining. Since the end of cluster eta we have seen a lot less community spirit.
It's clearly wanted. I can point you to the telegram planetarion channel which seems to be consistently busy with discussions such as these. |
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I agree with the above, maybe not force an agenda, just keen to ensure some good leadership for each cluster but I guess with any cluster alliance the cream will rise etc. |
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Have you even played a speedround/community round? |
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You are saying that the average joe could just join a alliance and ask to be put in charge of politics/targets/etc? Then im sorry to inform you that your an idiot. Stop posting please. Quote:
What i used to like about it was that you had a small group(your gal) wich you played for, and you sometimes had to work with people you disliked on a "micro level", and "backstab" or fight your normal friends/allies. Im not sure when "xmas round" came into being, but i think having a round themed about grinches, santas, and what not is incredibly silly. But, for me, "community round" != "normal round" "World Cup round", "xmas round", "summer mini round" etc etc |
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Deciding "strats" or "rules/guidelines/def priotity" also falls into the "running a team" cathegory wich you just cant expect to get when you ask for it. The last 4-5 years ive not seen you in any joint "HC/BC channel", the only time your name has been mentioned is when people laugh at you applying/being devouched/being kicked, so i kinda think your "experience" isnt something we should put much into. Quote:
Most is set up diffrently: "Gal only def" "Cluster/gal only def" "Cluster eta advantage" "All random gals" "Private gals" These rounds can be played in multiple ways, but often the goal of the "round setup" is to encourage people to play in a diffrent manner. If you dont like the setup, nobody is FORCING you to play. If the setup favours you to work with random people in your cluster, nobody is FORCING you to do the favourable thing. |
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I have been on more bc and dc teams than you have been ridiculed on here. If you ask you will get (to an extent), if you presume you will get sod all. |
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Since you CLEARLY coudlnt have played or paid attention while playing these "xmas rounds", id help you a little so you can read yourself up on how the "setup" has been the last 5 years. PLEASE READ BEFORE CONTINUEING POSTING: http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=199899 http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=200226 http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=200673 http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=201076 http://pirate.planetarion.com/showthread.php?t=201254 Quote:
Im pretty sure you even applied for my tag the other round, after you had been declined everywhere else, even KittenZ(!) turned down your application. VGN let you in, and kicked you because you misbehaved within a week or so. If no one even want you as a member, why would someone be likely to want you as an "officer" instead? Not trying to throw sh*t at you, but lets be realistic that your statement on what youve "experinced" has nothing what-so-ever to do with the reality of what you realy have been experincing the last few years in this game. |
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I'm not suggesting agar3s would put Joe McNewbie in charge of all of Ultores/Astatores politics on his very first round. That's so obvious I shouldn't have to spell it out. But once he's comfortable with the game, Joe might be given the targets and taught how to set up the attack, just the pure mechanics of Merlin and scans. Then after a while, Joe might have a conversation with the person who decides where the attack goes and get some insight into target selection. Maybe the next time, he suggests a couple of gals himself, and given reasons why they're good or bad. Maybe the next round on a random galraid night near the start of the round, he gets to pick the actual target on his own. People work their way into these roles, and it takes a lot of time. What I dislike about this suggestion is that it forces everyone to play with a bunch of randoms, if they want to play at all. If that's what you're into, that's fine, but you can already do that: just sign up a random planet and switch alliance. Why make everyone else do the same? Many people only play this game because their friends play. PA is a social game, and alliances are where people build their long-term communities. We already have a (semi-)random unit of cooperation: galaxies. We don't need another. Quote:
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Wich wasnt what i was saying anyways. Community rounds can be much more entertaining and giving than normal rounds for a lot of people as they have to work with people they dont know, and usualy have to step up and do stuff like setting up attacks and what not, wich theyve never done before in their normal alliances. It can be completely diffrent from normal rounds as most alliances arnt putting effort into winning a "community round", and the "power" belongs to other people than the normal criminals. A lot of the "pre PaX/PaN" magic was that the game was way more individualy/gal based than it is today. Orginisational skills, stats knowledge, tech knowledge, and sosicial skills was deciding, not who you have been playing with the last few years or what your pa history looks like. And some people actualy enjoy PA "rounds" thats diffrent from the normal ones when it comes to what the social/alliance/hiearcy structures is based upon. Quote:
If you did read the post directed at Kaiba, it would link you to previous set ups(bps/gals). Any changes suggested wich will remove the possibility for individuals to troll ppl using the ingame features like last xmas will be brilliant suggestions. Quote:
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I personally became HC in TGV in my first round there, having had no publicly known prior HC positions. I can't even remember how i got into TGV that round, but it sure as hell wasn't because i knew Kargool or NiTZ before that round, and it's not like TGV was riddled with former VGN that round either. What I did was actively DC, and even more actively chat to other members whenever. It's shit like this that gets you noticed. You can't expect to become influential in your working life sitting at your desk saying nothing at all to anyone. How would you expect this to work in PA? Quote:
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The first alliances that were formed were attack cooperations. even within the first cluster alliances the weaker galaxies were preyed upon, especially to gain the early advantage by the higher ranked players/galaxies. So unless you opt for a setup where you don't have to attack, such attack cooperations will always emerge, and they are a hell of a lot more likely to form between those who are already playing together in normal rounds. Again, this is just a basic risk/reward economic decision. Quote:
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Also bear in mind that a single cluster in round 3 was 25% of all the planets in a normal round nowadays. The gamedynamics from that day and age just don't compare. Hell, even the dynamics from the early pax rounds are incomparable, just due to the size of the universe. P.S. Don't get me wrong tho. I am completely indifferent on whatever setup is chosen for the winter round. Even if I would have still been playing I could not have cared at all. But if we are making a case for a setup, than we should at least try to make valid arguments. And beside the nostalgia I already mentioned, I don't see any merit in yours. |
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Then Cluster #5 receives player #6 Cluster #4 receives player #7 Cluster #3 receives player #8 Cluster #2 receives player #9 Cluster #1 receives player #10 and so on... |
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I did not spesify wether gals should be 100% random or not, but if you actualy played the game mz, or had been playing it the last few years, im pretty sure you could assume the chances of a random round is like 0%, if u was to base it on whats been common the last 5 years. |
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I said "random people in your cluster" and not "random people in your galaxy".
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