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I just saw this video and I must say it kinda shocked me. I know what its about but I think this is the best representation I have seen so far.

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I read the word "bible" in a comment below before the video loaded, so I quickly shut it :(

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Should I be?

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The Lords of Kobol are way much cooler than god

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It's about trying to terrify people into joining your church by threatening them with apocolypse. It's a tactic which focuses on the vulnerable and afraid, it is morally disgusting and it completely undermines any claim these churches have to be following a loving god.

It's also about you (yet again) ramming your religious beliefs down our throats for which you ought to be banned under the advertising clause.

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Isn’t organised religion in general morally disgusting and completely undermines its own belief sets. They take what’s the idea of faith and destiny, throw in a higher power and build around it a set of moral guidelines. All of these things are perfectly fine but then they proceed to scare people into also holding these beliefs often in ways that are against the moral guidelines of their religion. Then if people do something that doesn’t fit in with their faith they start to attack the very right to choice that allows them to choose to follow the religion they do in an attempt to impose their belief set onto others. In some cases they will even turn to violence and even ‘murder’ to impose their views further. Seeing as the majority of religions have peace, acceptance and forgiveness at the centre of their moral beliefs it becomes highly hypocritical and undermines themselves

As for banning him, as much as I hate organised religion because of them trying to force their intolerances, their hypocrisy and their beliefs onto others all he’s peddling is his opinion and his beliefs. If we start banning people for that then anyone posting on any thread on these forums needs banned. Anyway I would hope most people here will be smart enough to come up with their own feelings on beliefs without being swayed by his postings.

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I could care less what church you join. This video is not meant for the unsaved. It's meant for believers. It's about what Bible Scholars have called "The Rapture." It is described in the Bible but never called the rapture.

And had you been as observant as Nadar who is NOT A LAWER you would have known that the material was religeous in nature. And sharing is not ramming unless your gay.

Has it been a while since your last relationship Yahwe?

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Its kind of boring and not very interesting talking to religious fundamentalists that bashes just because they feel wrongfully accused etc.

Instead, cant the forums have an ignore user option?

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It does. Click on anyones profile and you can click the "Add user to your ignore list" or something like that.

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<3 Nadar omg omg omg, look my cool postnumber!

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You're quite frankly disgusting me. In the beginning I was thinking Yahwe took it too far when he requested you to be banned, but you're starting to change my mind. The last line of your post is so petty that I very nearly choked when I saw it. Now I'm just sad. :(

Edit: Yes, I saw the video and it is petty at best. Scaring people into believing is WRONG, and no better than the average propaganda from regimes that you, yourself would condemn.

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While this is true for most of the major religions (Christianity, Judaism, Islam etc), I've yet to hear of a Shaolin Monk kill someone for not believing in Buddha. This leads me to conclude that Buddhism is the best of a bad bunch

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I think the more pertinent question is "Are YOU ready for this?"

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You couldn't care less. to say you could care less is to imply that you actually care. I've heard this is an American saying but it is brutality against language. It is worse than a double negative because this is just wrong. It's like saying 'a dog is a cat becuase I like cheese'. If it only you I convert to accept the Englih language and repent all previous linguistic sins then shall have done my job.


On the topic, I find the video pathetic.

Edit: Due to the appalling nature of the first line I posted the message before reading the rest of the post. Why would believers want to watch that? Where is the benefit?

It 'teaches' nothing, except that God may come at any moment and kill loads of people. the video isn't even clear on that. What happened to the others? Did they do to heaven or hell? Are the people still there to be punished or rewarded by living the res of their lives on Earth? It's a pile of shit as anything. It's only viable purpose is to add to the feeling of terror that God could smite you at any moment.

As to the rest of your post, oh dear.

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well i watched this vid without sound, so not quite sure what happened...

here is what i saw: guy with the book... bla bla bla, people disappear...
wtf !? (ye, i dont have speakers :( )
then... Travler: "God is coming" or something to that effect... o.O Maybe my subpar intelligence is unable to comprehend the depth of thought behind the big idea, or maybe its just the lack of sound :p one way or another, thats a fking cool special effect for homemade vid :D

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God would spend more on special effects.
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And it would be more Quinten Tarantino-esque.
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Probably.

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Wait, I'm confused about the movie. So the cops knew that internal affairs were setting them up?

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I thought it was a trailer for some sort of Blair Witch Project film :devil:

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You should never post again just so you can keep that cool postnumber. 1,338 just would not be as cool.

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I am not intolerant of gays. In fact I tolerate them all the time. There are several where I work at and I would even consider one to be a friend. The fact that his idol is Wonder Woman is his personal choice and I am not about to tell him that he is wrong for that.

That book looks kinda dull to be honest. One editorial states "For a scientist who criticizes religion for its intolerance, Dawkins has written a surprisingly intolerant book, full of scorn for religion and those who believe." There is also the opposite view of "Dawkins is frequently dismissed as a bully, but he is only putting theological doctrines to the same kind of scrutiny that any scientific theory must withstand. No one who has witnessed the merciless dissection of a new paper in physics would describe the atmosphere as overly polite." Just seems to be a bash fest on religion and I can get that here for free.

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I'm not racist, one of my best friends is black!

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You both idolise imaginary characters, I'm surprised you're not friends.

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wonder woman is real... otherwise she wouldnt be in justice league !

as to tolerance comment... saying something "I tolerate it ALL the time" does not make u look quite tolerant (as JBG pointed out). There is no difference between someone gay or straight on a personal communication level... The only difference in life between gay and straight is sexual preference. And untill you realize that his/her way of life is that exactly as good as yours.

So. I understand that to your ears worshiping almighty might not be exactly the same thing as homosexual sex... but as a matter of fact (and its quite amuzing to me) it is. So... they tolerate you much more then u "tolerate" them...

oh... and besides... i see your prejudice in between lines of your post. work on that :p

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hay i thought there was stuff about penitence and forgiveness in this christianity business.

i heard some people survive this end of the world business as well?

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Can you imagine how cool it would be to be to left behind when all those christians finally get taken? All those frigid women would be gone on nights out and you'd know you're never wasting your time!

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i find it amusing that you cant post again if you want to remain "1337" :P

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Ban Me? Gee thanks. Go right ahead please.

I was not trying to be petty but I have the feeling from the tone of his post that Yahwe needs to get laid. I was trying to put it in a polite way. Cheer up. Tommorrow is a new day.

The video did not scare me. I was shocked how abrupt the "Rapture" really could be. I really thought the video was cool. I am sorry if you were scared by the video. It's meant to enlighten more than frighten.

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That's right I could care less about what church he goes to.....as long as he goes to church. This type of phrasing is used frequently in American English. Hey a culture difference, what do you know. Maybe I should get some red blobs just for being an American.
The video is cool. The first time I saw it a couple of days ago I asked my wife to forward it to me. It helps me visualize how the "Rapture" could occur.

Ah, lesson 101 on "The Rapture" for non-believers (and some that are).

The following is from wikipedia:

The Rapture is an event in certain systems of Christian eschatology (the study of the end times) in which it is believed that all born-again Christians will be taken from Earth into Heaven by Jesus Christ. Although almost all forms of Christianity believe that those who are "saved" will have eternal life, the term "rapture" is usually applied specifically to the belief that Christians will be "taken" into Heaven at a specific moment. Its introduction and popularization in Christian belief is relatively recent, and the teachings of older Churches do not include any such doctrine.

The timing of "when" the rapture will take place is a key point often discussed and debated between denominations and individuals who accept the belief. One belief ("dispensationalist" or "futurist" interpretations) is that the rapture will take place at an unknown period of time prior to the beginning of the seven year tribulation, and that at that time only non-Christians will be left on the earth. However, according to the dispensationalist view, many will come to know Christ during the time of the tribulation, before he returns to set up His Kingdom of God/earthly kingdom. Others believe that the rapture will be a very audible and visible event which takes place after the events of the tribulation, right at the Second Coming of Christ in which the righteous will be taken up in the clouds to meet Christ upon his return. Other Christians teach that Jesus will return when all on Earth have come to worship Him as their savior. Thus, in accordance with the teaching of the Second Coming, when everyone accepts Jesus as their savior, he will return, and the Earth as we know it will end.

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I didn't actually click on the video, because from past experience Travler's video choices make me disgusted to be associated with organised religion.

I'd just like to point out that I agree with the JBG statement, being tolerant don't mean crap. I'll use the example of - I tolerate Travler's post, but I think his internet provider should turn his service off every once in a while.

You can't just say you tolerate something and think that's ok, it's either you're fine with it, or you're not fine with it...saying you're tolerant means you can't stand them, but you'll put up with them, just like some people are tolerant of your post, and probably some are even tolerant of mine. It's a product of speaking your mind, people aren't always going to like what you say, and some times they may even tolerate you or agree with you dispite not even liking you.

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Wasnt there some book written by and for the american religious right called "those you leave behind" or something like that? Its pretty much just the same thing :\

Besides, when they all dissapeared, i actually laughed*. i dont understand really why people are being upset over some silly bit of comedy. If religion isnt your thing, ignore it. If religion is your thing, well that's your problem really :\.

*having waited a day or two since posting, i cant remember why i laughed, but i remember doing it...

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Americans, in my experience, frequently say "for all intensive purposes". They're stupid if they say that and you're stupid if you say "could care less". "Couldn't care less" isn't some archaic piece of legacy phrasology that only has meaning based on that one configuration, it's just a straight forward bit of english that means exactly what it should mean based upon the meaning of the words.

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Thanks for that Mr. Tolkein.

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Oh god please don't get Yahwe started on his hyper-active sex life. I'm not sure many of us could survive that pain again.



And in true flagellant tradition, I doubt Travler is going to be banned any time soon.

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Dealt with.

Maybe you shouls watch a video to help you visualise how 'Evolution' could occur.


Does this massive variance between Christians ever make you consider how secure ou own position is.

I partcularly liked this bit.

Don't you think people messing about with the teachings of God kind of undermines the whole principle of the Bible?

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Well, now i've watched the video, and it looked like that they stole the special effects from War of The Worlds, was Tom Cruise a co-sponsor on this?

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Don't drag the good name of scientology down into this squalid christian quagmire please.

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It's just looking at things a little differently.

1 Thessalonians 4 (New International Version)

13 Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. 14 We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage each other with these words.

Luke 17

34 I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. 35 Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.

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I read the editorials off the Amazon site.

God told me not to bother with the book and that the views are not supported with the truth.

I would suggest reading this book.

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God is telling you to do very stupid things. ID is conceptually entirely at odds with Evolution, the evolution that to deny is like denying gravity, not "the same but a bit different" as its supporters would have people believe.

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Is it really tolerance or is the inability to change it or do you just don't care about those sinners?

It's clearly not acceptance

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There's a difference between acceptance and tolerance. I don't accept, say, neonazis. I do tolerate them because I believe they have a right to free speech and free association. Accepting something is unnecessary.

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I was just trying to exclude the possibility that he would take that standpoint

What Travler said just reminded me of something the bishop of Utrecht said some time ago
He said on tv that the Netherlands isn't a tolerant country, it's just that nobody cares
Nobody gets involved in eachothers businesses

Is that the morally right thing to do? Is it good to ignore the wrongs of others and just let it be?
Should everyone just close an eye?

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There is always talk about the Justice League but you never hear when or where any matches are being held and I have looked in vain for the league standings.

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If "Gods" word is being looked at differently and interpeted differently arent you just admitting that the bible and the christian teachers are mans little more than mans interpretation of 'gods word'. And if you accept that thats the case arent you accepting that as man is fallable and our very nature makes us unreliable that the bibles wrong and isnt something that should be lived by.

Either the teachings and bible are gods word and are correct because he chooses to make them correct or else they are stories by man and are factual inacturate and predidiced by others views

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We still don't fully understand how gravity works. It is a distortion in the fabric of space or some kind of magnetic attraction?

Evolution is taking the fact that living things adapt and calling a series of adaptions evolution. It's like the old joke that says "If Man evolved from monkeys, why are there still monkeys?"
Why is there only one fossile called "Lucy" of the so-called missing link?

I don't fully agree with everything about ID but I do believe that creatures that exist on our planet and in our universe are not random. Beyond a few proteins, amino acids, peptides, and enzymes I highly doubt that a full strand of DNA could be assembled from random.

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Yeah, and what religion does here is like "oh you can't say for certain what it is so we're just going to say it's decided by the amount of pie baked in Miss Mudgerin's kitchen yesterday!"

I spent two full minutes staring at my keyboard wondering what to type in response to this. In the end I decided suicide was the only suitable option.





Yours, that is, not mine.

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Wakey....welcome to the world of grey. God's word is absolute and few believers will say that it is not. The Bible is constantly being reviewed and translated to find ALL the meanings and messages contained. It's not so much a different interpretation as more of a discovery of previously overlooked significance.

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? How can Gods word be both absolute AND open to interpretation ?

Thou shalt not kill could mean THOU shalt not kill (but it's OK for everyone else.)?

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How it works is distinct from whether or not it exists. Gravity, to the level of detail we can measure it, exists. Evolution, similarly, exists.

Magnetic attraction is a different phenomenon, and not really a relevent topic. However, I would be delighted to debate with you the metaphysics of gravity.

Just like gravity is taking the fact that masses attract eachother and calling it gravity. It's a name, it's an abstract concept.

Furthermore, unless the word "evolution" is some major blasphemy which I have been hitherto not been made aware of, it is the substance of the premise rather than the name that is objected to.

The fossil record is formed from a series of extremely unlikely events. The amount of evidence we have for many things is based entirely on luck; as it happens, we have a good account of the evolution of humans. Furthermore, your argument based upon this is fairly typical of people who deride the sciences; because we miss one link in the chain, a link that the failure of which to be observed is purely based upon chance rather than absence, the entire chain does not exist.

I have pictures of me when I was 6 feet tall and when I was 5 feet tall; it doesn't imply that there is no connection between the pictures, or that I suddenly grew a foot in height.

Then why does all the evidence, especially on a genetic level, suggest that they are random?

[quote=TravlerBeyond a few proteins, amino acids, peptides, and enzymes I highly doubt that a full strand of DNA could be assembled from random.[/QUOTE]

Want a method? Look up the RNA World Hypothesis. No, it's not generally accepted, but that's because science requires evidence. Nevertheless, the debate is not over whether it was done, but how it was done, another distinction that ID proponents often ignore.

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I read this tonight and I must say it kinda shocked me. I know what it’s about, it’s about 7th century Britton and I think the character is the best representation of my views I have seen so far.

"I am no Christian. These days it does no good to confess that, for the bishops and abbots have much influence and it’s easier to pretend a faith than to fight angry ideas. I was raised a Christian, but at 10 years old, when I was taken into Ragnar's family, I discovered the old Saxon gods who were also the gods of the Danes and of the Norsemen, and their worship has always made more sense to me than bowing down to a god who belongs to a country so far away that I have met no one who has ever been there. Thor and Odin walked our hills, slept in our valleys, loved our women and drank from our streams, and that makes them seam like neighbours. The other thing I like about our gods is that they are not obsessed with us. They have their own squabbles and love affairs and seem to ignore us much of the time, but the Christian god has nothing better to do than make rules for us. He makes rules, more rules, prohibitions and commandments, and he needs hundreds of black-robed priests and monks to make sure we obey those laws. He strikes me as a very grumpy god, that one, even though his priests are forever claiming that he loves us. I have never been so stupid as to think that Thor or Odin or Hoder loved me, though I hope at times they have thought me worthy of them"

I'm sure you see yourself as worthy, which is noble. There are many programmed randoms, it’s your choice if you choose to execute one. The world may be smaller and more grown up than 1,300 years, but the trap doors are ever more plentiful.