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Texan

12 Sep 2005 19:32

Britain tops world human rights abuses: Amnesty

Link
Herald Reporter
BRITAIN continues to lead the world in human rights violations, using the September 11 bombings of the United States of America and London bombings as a smokescreen, Amnesty International has reported.

AI said the new security legislation, in the wake of the 11 September and London attacks in the USA, had opened floodgates to human rights violations perpetrated by the UK through paramilitary shootings, beatings and sectarian attacks, especially in Northern Ireland and Afghanistan.

The European Court of Human Rights, said AI, recently ruled that the United Kingdom (UK) had violated the right to life in Northern Ireland.

"There was an increase in paramilitary killings and shootings in Northern Ireland. The authorities failed to bring prosecutions in a number of controversial cases of deaths in custody in England.

"There were inadequate safeguards to prevent the suicide of young people in prisons,’’ says A1.

To date, A1 has documented cases of discriminatory practices in relation to deaths in police custody, detention, ill-treatment, investigations into racists killings and attacks and other aspects of the criminal justice system.

In the aftermath of the September 11 bombings, the UK is said to have derogated from Article 5 (1) of the European Convention on Human Rights and Article 9 of the International Convenant on Civil and Political Rights in order to allow for indefinite administrative detention.

What has worsened the situation in the UK, AI said, is the fact that under the Act, the Secretary of State may order such detention, without charge or trial and without recourse to judicial review, of any non-UK national deemed a suspected "international terrorist and national security risk" on the basis of reasonable suspicion.

AI also attacked the UK for trying to radically overhaul the asylum system and for not ratifying the United Nations Optional Protocol on the involvement of children as child soldiers.

Amnesty International also said prisoners were being ill-treated so much that the conviction of three prison officers in the UK, was a tip of the iceberg.

Despite racists treatment in the prisons, the AI, said the UK had not done anything to safeguard prisoners from committing suicide in detention.

"There was inadequate safeguards to prevent prisoners from committing suicide. In April the European Court of Human Rights found that the UK had violated provisions of the Europena Convention of Human Rights by allowing suicide to take places in its prison, without making any effort to combat it."

Ste	12 Sep 2005 19:35

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yes.
leading the world.
exactly.
:rolleyes:

Phil^

12 Sep 2005 19:43

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zimbabwe is hardly a credible news source.

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© Copyright of Zimbabwe Newspapers (1980) Limited 2001. Terms and Conditions of reading. Commercial Information . Privacy Policy . Information About http://www.herald..co.zw/

the .co.zw gives it away

if you believe Mugabe et all - Texan, then you have some serious problems.
Though im inclined to think you have problems anyway with your blind-faith in the neo-conservative agenda.

Do tell - do you nod along to everything fox news says to you?
Are you truely a blind sheep, following anything the bush administration says without question?

furball

12 Sep 2005 19:44

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Texan

Phil^

12 Sep 2005 19:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Furball

Texan

Or texan
Or texan
Or texan
Or texan
....

JonnyBGood

12 Sep 2005 19:54

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I find that truly remarkable.

We're often told about propaganda and we can all laugh about it in the history books but it's rather different when you see it like that.

Texan

12 Sep 2005 19:58

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You don't like that link, Phil? Try these.

http://web.amnesty.org/wire/November2002/UK
http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engeur450292004
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index...COUNTRIES%5CUK
http://web.amnesty.org/library/Index...COUNTRIES%5CUK

MrPeach

12 Sep 2005 20:01

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www.theuknews.com
provence.angloinfo.com
www.bignewsnetwork.com

Well the story is hosted on what we refer to as "the big three" news networks. So it must be some what credible.

True JBG, it is a brilliant example of propaganda we have often learnt about in books. Fair enough it is more transparent that most, but on close inspection of our own press from the last decade I am sure you could find some examples that are just as fine.

Ste	12 Sep 2005 20:01

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do you not see the difference between the original article and the one you just posted?

Yahwe

12 Sep 2005 20:07

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:rolleyes:

EDIT: oh and can't somebody just ban him? this is going to get worse before it gets better.

furball

12 Sep 2005 20:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil^

Or texan
Or texan
Or texan
Or texan
....

But troll dolls were so much cooler :cool:

MrPeach

12 Sep 2005 20:10

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"There were inadequate safeguards to prevent the suicide of young people in prisons,’’ says A1.

I can't see why the people of Zimbabwe could care what A1 would have to say about human rights. They have abused so many with their bad taste and lack of talent.

http://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P...CMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

:(

Texan

12 Sep 2005 20:12

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Originally Posted by Ste

do you not see the difference between the original article and the one you just posted?

The contents of the four links I posted would be much too long to run in a newspaper?

Texan

12 Sep 2005 20:15

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Originally Posted by Yahwe

:rolleyes:

EDIT: oh and can't somebody just ban him? this is going to get worse before it gets better.

It just makes me want to cry the way the poor people in Britain have been treated.

I'm sure it must be Blair's fault, aided of course by all the heartless British lawyers.

meglamaniac

12 Sep 2005 20:17

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Of course he sees the difference.
The Zimbabwe report obviously overblows things as they have a political point to make.
Once again, Texan uses this to "prove" his political point.
Badly.
Because he's trolling again.

Once again, I give you the choice of deciding whether he's a troll or an ignoramus (so far the balance of my feedback comments suggest people would like him branded a trolling ignoramus).

Now to make the mistake of answering his "arguments":
The much more objective reports on the Amnesty site don't tell us anything we, the British public, don't already know. We are aware of what's going on, and we don't like it. The most high profile of the violations, the shooting of Jean Charles, has been widely and heavily criticised in the press and denounced by the public. If it doesn't lead to prosecutions there will be further backlash.
Britain is not perfect, and the Labour government is making it less so on a daily basis. However, it is far from the worst offender when compared to various African dictatorships, or The USA. (Further reading on this matter here and here).

The boat to sensationalize this left months ago, and you missed it. Try to troll on something vaguely current next time.

meglamaniac

12 Sep 2005 20:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Yahwe

:rolleyes:

EDIT: oh and can't somebody just ban him? this is going to get worse before it gets better.

He is being watched.
:bigbrother:

Phil^

12 Sep 2005 20:23

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evict him then :P

Yahwe

12 Sep 2005 20:28

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wait till dda get's back off holiday.

he might listen to dda.

Vaio	12 Sep 2005 20:29

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Originally Posted by Texan

Teh funneh

What exactly are you trying to prove Mistar Texan ?

JC	12 Sep 2005 20:33

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IncubusGod

12 Sep 2005 20:34

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Clearly the honest unbiased news reporting from Zimbabwe's government controlled news missed the real story.Perfectly placed to level criticism of human rights abuses.

Texan

12 Sep 2005 20:46

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http://web.amnesty.org/report2005/zwe-summary-eng

International Criminal Court: signed

Phil^

12 Sep 2005 20:48

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hehe. i see someone has a sense of humour today re: avatar :)

HAL-9000

12 Sep 2005 20:56

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Texan... Im confused. Do you really believe that your country has violated fewer human rights than the British? I actually find this incredible to believe. Our police officers shot dead one man just a few days after the worst terrorists to hit britain since the IRA (and even the IRA gave warnings so that people could be evacuated). Tensions were clearly high and as yet there is no stated reasons for the shooting taking place. I suggest you wait until the investigation has come to its conclusions before you make any judgements (unless, of course, you have a far superior knowledge of the situation than the IPCC, as you seem to believe). Of course, american police officers NEVER shoot people. Ever. It's true, you know! I will only bother mentioning Guantanamo as a reminder. No need to go into details there.

Please, please, please stop this insane drivel you are spouting of late. You didn't used to be so bad. You were always a bit dim when it came to your nationalism and complete disrespect for other countries, but this is far below what you have written before (although the thread about how america is the greatest country in the world, created by you a while ago, does entertain me still). I suggest that if you do not, you will simply herald an irrefutable dislike amongst pretty much every member of these boards, and as such any posts that you will make in the future will be treated less with scepticism and more with contempt. I certainly will see what you write in future as uninformed pap, no matter what you write. You have just shown that you don't know enough and don't have the level of maturity required to be a member of an international forum. There are 15 year olds on this board who are more informed about current affairs and world politics than you. How old are you, out of curiosity? If you are anything older than sixteen I will truly be surprised.

I'll leave you with one piece of advise. Either get your act together sharpish and start making decent posts or leave these boards. If you do neither, I can't see you enjoying it here (even crashtester has not completely dismissed the notion that he is shit - and he hasnt been too shit for months!). You will lose all respect for you. You have lost all respect from me. What little you I had for you, anyway.

Texan

12 Sep 2005 21:22

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Originally Posted by HAL-9000

I suggest you wait until the investigation has come to its conclusions before you make any judgements (unless, of course, you have a far superior knowledge of the situation than the IPCC, as you seem to believe).

Why should I wait when the modus operandi on these forums seems to be to leap to conclusions without any evidence?

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Originally Posted by HAL-9000

Please, please, please stop this insane drivel you are spouting of late.

The people on this forum pissed me off with their complete crap and lack of understanding. I will post whatever I please (within the rules).

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Originally Posted by HAL-9000

You didn't used to be so bad. You were always a bit dim when it came to your nationalism and complete disrespect for other countries, but this is far below what you have written before.

I actually don't have a problem with the vast majority of countries in Europe. It's just that the people on this forum are very poor representatives of their counties, so I give them a hard time whenever I can.

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Originally Posted by HAL-9000

(although the thread about how america is the greatest country in the world, created by you a while ago, does entertain me still).

I believe someone else wrote that. Link?

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Originally Posted by HAL-9000

I suggest that if you do not, you will simply herald an irrefutable dislike amongst pretty much every member of these boards, and as such any posts that you will make in the future will be treated less with scepticism and more with contempt. I certainly will see what you write in future as uninformed pap, no matter what you write.

Much like the rest of the crap on this forum.

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Originally Posted by HAL-9000

You have just shown that you don't know enough and don't have the level of maturity required to be a member of an international forum.

All I am doing is the same thing I saw last week here.

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Originally Posted by HAL-9000

There are 15 year olds on this board who are more informed about current affairs and world politics than you.

I believe the word you were looking for is misinformed. The people on this forum quote propaganda and conside themselves informed. Funny how they easily recognize propaganda about their own country, but have no clue about the rest of the world.

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Originally Posted by HAL-9000

How old are you, out of curiosity? If you are anything older than sixteen I will truly be surprised.

I'm 40 years old. I make a good living as a journalist living in Germany.

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Originally Posted by HAL-9000

I'll leave you with one piece of advise. Either get your act together sharpish and start making decent posts or leave these boards. If you do neither, I can't see you enjoying it here (even crashtester has not completely dismissed the notion that he is shit - and he hasnt been too shit for months!). You will lose all respect for you. You have lost all respect from me. What little you I had for you, anyway.

I may leave. I may keep posting whatever propaganda I find about European countries. I may go back to my old way of posting. It is my choice, not yours. I'm not overly concerned about respect from the people on this forum. Most don't have my respect.

Phil^

12 Sep 2005 21:31

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Originally Posted by Texan

You're hardly a model american either, infact i would think you do little more then bring shame on your country.

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Originally Posted by Texan

I believe the word you were looking for is misinformed. The people on this forum quote propaganda and conside themselves informed.

Never considered the possibility that what you believe is the propeganda, and that everyone else is trying to show you reason?
Nope didnt think so.

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Originally Posted by Texan

I'm 40 years old. I make a good living as a journalist living in Germany.

Funny, you act infantile at times

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Originally Posted by Texan

I may leave.

Good riddance if you do.

HAL-9000

12 Sep 2005 21:34

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Point taken, repper. Had a silly moment :-)

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Originally Posted by Texan

If you don't respect these peoples views why do you post on here? You can't gain anything from the views of the forum members if you don't care what they say. Likewise nobody else is gaining much from your additions. It would be like trying to converse with a chav about the finer qualities of imperial china. The chav doesn't care and you are not particularly upset about that fact. So why bother? You're wasting everybodys time, including your own.

NEWSBOT3

12 Sep 2005 21:36

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this all depends on how you define 'human rights abuses' though.

yawn.

Texan

12 Sep 2005 21:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil^

Never considered the possibility that what you believe is the propeganda, and that everyone else is trying to show you reason?
Nope didnt think so.

I have witnessed events and read what was written afterwards in the European press. Most of you have no clue. There are a couple of people on this forum who seem to get it. You are not one of them.

Texan

12 Sep 2005 21:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by HAL-9000

If you don't respect these peoples views why do you post on here? You can't gain anything from the views of the forum members if you don't care what they say.

I do get something out of the views posted here. It does not mean I have respect for the people making the posts.

HAL-9000

12 Sep 2005 22:18

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Originally Posted by Flavius

I don't understand the reasons for this mass-hatred for someone who simply posted a link to a news article.

Regardless of what he has posted before, or his stance on world politics, I believe you guys should discussed this article, rather than criticized the linker.

As I see it, everyone is going against Amnesty International, but venting their frustration on Texan instead.

I didn't see anyone criticize 1-X when he showed us an article on the BBC News saying Norway is the best country in the world.

I feel the difference comes from the fact that 1-X posted the article as part of a wider post and an attempt to discuss the article critically. The way that Texan posted this article was, as you can see, to suggest that he agrees with it completely. He gave no view of his own and printed it out for the world to say as if he himself were reading it out to us, much like a newsreader. It is simply the manner of his posts. I truly believe that he believes this 100% and this is why people are directing their negative comments at him - his inability to see past the bias because he wants to believe what he is reading.

meglamaniac

12 Sep 2005 22:25

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Flav.
He didn't do it for an informed debate, or he wouldn't have linked to the Zimbabwe version of the story.
The plan was to find the most inflamatory take on it that he could and then watch the fun.

T-R-O-L-L

HAL-9000

12 Sep 2005 22:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flavius

so?

Amnesty International has published these reports. If he's giving it credibility, then he's also giving credibility to the other reports issued regarding his own country, for example Guantanamo.

Also, why the hell did people start criticizing the US in this thread?

This is about the UK being a bad country. Stick to the topic and discuss that, or open another one where you say how bad the US has been (and we all know it's bound to be a good, long discussion, with plenty to say).

Moreover, why is everyone dismissing these reports? Has Amnesty International been biased before?

People are criticising the US because they believe it to have been the perpertrator of far more (apparent) human rights abuses than the UK, and yet the article put forward the prospect that the UK is the greatest abuser of human rights in the world.

You also seem to have missed the point of my post. You asked why we were unhappy with this post of Texans. I answered this. You didnt ask how credible the article was or why texan posted the article. So don't 'so?' me, Flavius!

Yahwe

12 Sep 2005 22:30

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Originally Posted by Flavius

Amnesty International has published these reports.

no.

you appear to be getting confused.

Yahwe

12 Sep 2005 22:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flavius

Still, as I said earlier, there have been other news articles posted on this same topic. Try reading those and trying to make a good dicussion. Be productive instead of hitting your head against the wall shouting "DIE TEXAN DIE"

I don't speak german.

Yahwe

12 Sep 2005 22:39

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flavius read what amnesty say

then read the thread title

Britain tops world human rights abuses: Amnesty

observe how amnesty international's (very valid point [I really really don't need to point out that my professional work is heavily involved in correcting on a day to day basis these abuses amnesty has identified, or that the we drafted the european convention on human rights thereby setting a standard to which we hold ourselves: but hell i'm gonna!]) has been completely misused by the thread title.

if you want a simple statement you can understand: do try to think before you post

CrashTester

12 Sep 2005 22:40

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Texan for president!

Then again, look what happened the last time that was said.

HAL-9000

12 Sep 2005 22:48

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Originally Posted by Flavius

edit: oh and your "the UK is really not that bad since the US has been doing much worse" stance is pathetic.

Are you purposely ignoring what I said? Read it again...

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Originally Posted by HAL-9000

Have I said what my stance is? As i see it I have not criticised the articles posted here either way - just Texans inability to put forward an unbiased statement. Namely the use of "worst human rights offender in the world".

Yahwe

12 Sep 2005 22:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flavius

We've all accepted the fact he is a troll. Get over it.

this doesn't make sense.

meglamaniac

12 Sep 2005 22:54

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Flav, you've gone completely nuts.
So having accepted that the thread is a trolling attempt, we should "get over it" and then what?
Have a discussion about something else?

Dante Hicks

12 Sep 2005 22:56

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Originally Posted by Flavius

Nevertheless, I am rather confused as to why people brought the US into the picture, and completely tried to deviate from the UK affairs

Because a large number of people are hysterical lunatics who see any criticism (legitimate or otherwise) of their "side" as an attack on them personally. To such persons the object of any debate is not to identify /resolve problems with their home country / football team / political party but to point out that others are worse.

G.K Zhukov

12 Sep 2005 23:03

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I say its a freaking human rights abuse that I have to read his crap.
Were is Amnesty Internation when you need em? :(

Yahwe

12 Sep 2005 23:03

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Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

oh darling must you?

must you always be contrary?

must we always be dismissed as simpletons in comparison to you? and really. darling. do you really really want me to type out (every single letter with my one poor tired finger) a totally unnecessary mass of words which show that everything isn't always black and white?

really must i set out text and verse of quite what little texan was up to, how this was understood and seen as what it was. how links were misused. statements perverted?

the whole sordid lot of it?

why darling why do you feel the need to post snide little statements like the above unless your intent is to tire out my poor little finger with unnecessary and strainful typing?

it just seems cruel.

Yahwe

12 Sep 2005 23:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flavius

thank you

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear. I'm not defending Texan. I'm not agreeing with his original post. I simply do not agree or understand why the topic was not discussed (topic = the UK violating human rights) and instead, this thread turned into a "TEXAN IS A WITCH!! BURN HIM!!", followed by "FLAVIUS IS ALSO A WITCH!! BURN HIM TOO".

Also, don't forget people see things differently. Bashing doesn't help. Discussion does. And a discussion isn't something you try to win, or convince others. It's where your aim is to understand as much as possible from both sides, and draw conclusions from there.

oh do shut up.

it's always pride with you.

the topic was not discussed because the topic was illusory.

if you really want to discuss UK anti terror legislation then post a thread. I guarentee you that only I will post. and that you will find those posts incredibly detailed and incredibly dull..

you must try to understand the why as well as the what when someone says something

it is terribly crass not to do admit!

Dante Hicks

12 Sep 2005 23:12

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Originally Posted by Yahwe

must we always be dismissed as simpletons in comparison to you?

Don't be paranoid dear, I wasn't talking about you.

Texan is one of the biggest idiots on this forum, but that does not justify fighting stupidity with stupidity.

Yahwe

12 Sep 2005 23:21

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Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

Don't be paranoid dear, I wasn't talking about you.

Texan is one of the biggest idiots on this forum, but that does not justify fighting stupidity with stupidity.

well how do you fight it?

it seems to simple little me that launching into a debate on what was really a side issue of the entire thread (the human rights abuses committed by the UK government which no doubt anger you as much as they anger me) is just going to excite the stupid.

it may even inspire him to post more nonsense threads such as this.

I just don't see how a throw away statement such as yours, which was directed at the true and frankly disgraceful UK human rights abuses, serves any purpose other than to inspire threads of such mind boggling stupidity.

it's not even as though you and i disagree in substance. it's just that this sort of trolling nonsense, which anyone at all can see is a purile response to very valid criticism of the US, ought to be dealt with head on.

I can't quite shake the feeling that texan has been told that his house is on fire and has responded by saying that you have a potentially dangerous loose wire and that you have responded by calling in an electriction rather than reminding him that his house is on fire.

it is pure deflection.

do admit!

Ste	12 Sep 2005 23:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Flavius

I'm not agreeing with his original post. I simply do not agree or understand why the topic was not discussed (topic = the UK violating human rights) and instead, this thread turned into a "TEXAN IS A WITCH!! BURN HIM!!", followed by "FLAVIUS IS ALSO A WITCH!! BURN HIM TOO".

Flavius.
The original post was crap. The title was stupid and wrong. The article was blatant propaganda that wasn't even worth discussing.

The topic is a very valid one that we have in fact discussed many times on here before. However because the original post was so crap the discussion turned to how crap the original post was instead of the actual topic.
If he had posted the actual amnesty international article in the first post and not pretended that Britain "tops world human rights abuses" I can guarantee we would have had a worthwhile discussion.
It was blatant trolling so please stop trying to defend him.

Dante Hicks

12 Sep 2005 23:29

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Originally Posted by Yahwe

well how do you fight it?

The 100% correct response is to show how the criticism is either unfounded or untrue, or the sources unreliable (as has already taken place for the most part). Or the posters motivation for posting such links can be questions, as you've already touched upon. Or to ignore the whole thing.

The incorrect response is to turn it into a USA vs UK thread. That only seeks to excite the trolls, to use your words.

Similarly, if you posted (a good or bad) thread on the problems of George W Bush, do you think a sensible rebuttal would be "Well Tony Blair is a **** too!"? Because that's the sort of thing Texan might do as he very much fits what I was talking about in my first post.

wu_trax

12 Sep 2005 23:34

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i wonder what the reaction on this forum would have been, had he posted a link about human rights abuses in the US. no matter if from zimbabwe, north korea or iran, im pretty sure the reaction would have been different.

Yahwe

12 Sep 2005 23:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dante Hicks

texan is not (despite the audacity of the nickname) a representitive of America.

(i dare say dear dda and s|k will be terribly upset by the implication of what you have written.)

I always chose my pro nouns carefully.

texan is an idiot.
the bush administation is ghastly (and recently disgraceful)

the entire reason that I post on an online forum is because I believe that there are things about britain which need improving. I believe the upper class needs a voice. not for itself. but it seems to me that the middle class has control over everything. no doubt you think and act as you do in preservation of the voice of the working classes. (i am digressing)

this thread was awful and silly,

texan is not america though he would like to pretend that he is: and he would like to label anyone who disagrees with him as 'not america'.

your initial post didn't address these truths.

do admit!

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