[Football] Its games like today..
.. that epitomise why despite the fact they are capable of glorious football, Arsenal under Wenger will always be an unpopular side and will continue to attract negative attention from both the media and opposition fans.
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Capable is the right word, as Arsenal was shit today. I felt physicaly ill for most of the match.
On the other hand the referee was absolute shit, with his inconsistancy. The match clearly shows that sportsmanship doesnt win matches, nor bring you any favours. I suggest Wenger bring in the likes of Martin Keown again. |
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Wigan should have had a pen before the equaliser
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and if heskey wouldnt have tried to win an oscar, they might have gotten one too :)
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My net connection went crazy in the last 10 minutes, so I missed all of the unpleasant timewasting and crazy yellow cards. I'll watch it on MOTD later to try to get a sense of what happened, and report back.
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Apparently Arsenal have more refereeing decisions going against them than any other team in the league...
(Newcastle are the opposite...) |
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twente - feyenoord 3-0
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Wigan should have had a penalty, both arsenal's goals were offside and Henry and Lehmann disgraced themselves as usual but hey, lets just ignore all that.
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Arsenal get a lucky win. Disgrace. Cheating bastards.
Man U or Chelsea get a lucky win. Class showed in the end. Ground out a good result. |
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A19571402
"Ronaldo still invites accusations of diving, such as at Spurs on Sunday. But it was his talent and threat that drew the fatal outstretched foot from Steed Malbranque that made the award of a penalty at Spurs an understandable decision." Dire journalism, yet another example of anti arsenal bias. |
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Today was more a case of the ref being crap all round more than anything.
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As for the outcome of the game, the officials made some bad decisions but I wouldn't say the result was unfair. Arsenal had one offside goal allowed, one onside goal allowed and one onside goal disallowed. Heskey was pushed but made a meal of it and deserved what he got. I also wouldn't say Arsenal are a particularly unpopular side. Not in my experience, anyway. |
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I only saw the second half (was in the pub with a french rugby fan, she practically hit the roof when they scored in like the last minute), but arsenal did seem to be making heavy weather of it.
Apparently the second goal wasn't offside because the ball was passed back to him to score, or *something*. Henry was having a little strop, but he does sometimes. I do feel a bit sorry for Wigan. They held out well for most of the match. and I was slightly pissed off that my housemate's teams managed to come back in the final period of both the matchs we were watching and win. how irritating! |
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the first arsenal goal was clearly offside, and if you watch the final pass in the second goal, it goes forward rather than laterally therefore it was offside too. Adebayor's offside goal was marginally offside, but it was more onside than the other two i suppose. Heskey's was definitely a penalty.
Re henry; a lot of football fans are now sick of his gallic 'le ****' attitude |
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Stop taking so much drugs, deffeh :(
And thumbs up for Lehman, our lovely grumpy german, for mocking Wigan with a lovely move to waste time. |
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To be fair nothing winds up a footballer/fan more than a team out to waste time from the off. Be defensive by all means, but wasting time from the first minute to whenever you go behind is just ****ing annoying.
Henry may have been a prick but in the situation - understandably so. The problem with Arsenal is not that they have individual players who cheat a lot, it's just that when they cheat, they do it as a team, which suggests to me that they find cheating acceptable. |
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I watched that game and I didn't see any of this cheating. When did it occur and who perpetrated it specifically?
I also fail to see why Arsenal are responsible for the poor judgement of the match officals. The responsibility for the fact that these mistakes are still allowed to blight the game lies squarely at the door of the FA and UEFA for not introducing video review for goalmouth and certain other key incidents. As it stands however, there are times when these kinds of decisions go against every team. People who find it makes them cry in their cornflakes when it happens to their favourite club need to grow up a bit. |
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i think that this hits the nail on the head, a lot of teams have individuals who cheat, everyone knows who they are, but its like arsenal have made almost a decision as a team to cheat, and have a manager who condones it, and even when provided examples of cheating, comes out with lines like 'i saw nothing wrong with that', until/unless this changes (which it wont under wenger) they will always have perhaps a worse reputation than they deserve, but they bring it upon themselves |
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Are you suggesting that Chris Kirkland isnt injury prone? Oh, rosicky not even getting booked for a slide tackle from behind when the ball was already gone was pretty lol too. typical arsenal, really |
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Aye CF, whatever Arsenal does, we get the blame.
When we are on top of the Fair Play ranking, we are still a team who uses ugly tactics, according to these people (some of them are even blackburn rovers supports(!), a team who isnt exactly on the top of the Fair Play ranking). |
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yeah and nuts proved bolton dont play long ball football :rolleyes:
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It's time like these that remind me how great a substitute for nationalism supporting a football team is.
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And Arsenal's performance against Bolton is just shocking.
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what on earth is your point?
"we always win but sometimes its deserved so therefore its never undeserved" holy shit, by that logic chelsea play the best football in ****ing history |
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They miss two penalties, hit the post when it was an open goal, lose loads of goal-scoring opportunities especially the one-on-ones, lose the ball during passing a lot, can't tackle for shit... I could go on. I'd rather not see Arsenal play like Chelsea. |
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The problem with Arsenal (and to an extent, Barcelona) is that they see football in a very one dimensional way. They will stick to the same passing formula over and over again, yet there are games where such a way of playing amounts to very little. The criticism comes from the fact that the players available could change it up, play differently and beat the opposition regardless, but instead choose to get upset and start throwing themselves to the ground or get involved in petty skirmishes all over the pitch because they aren't being allowed to pass it and tackles are flying in.
United are easily the best footballing side in England right now, because they can play both ways, thus when a team makes it hard for them to play, they can grind out a result if they need to - against Bolton at the Reebok they ground out a goal, Bolton were forced to open up space and Bolton got dicked.. Arsenal fans may stick loyally to their 'football', try to take the footballing high ground (hypocrites), and complain but they are getting criticism thrown at them because no one likes seeing obvious talent losing when they didn't have to. |
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I disagree with Blastoderm, the game against Bolton was a good match. For both the neutral observer and Arsenal fans alike, hell even Bolton supporters may have enjoyed it (apart from the fact that their team lost).
Arsenal played one touch alot of the match, instead of fidling around with the ball to much, thus lowering the pace of the game. To me it seems that there has been a change recently in the way Arsenal tries to play, it seems much more pragmatic than before. They don't always try to play five-a-side inside the opponents box. |
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Against United while 1-0 down we lobbed the ball up to Adebayor and Henry for the last 20 minutes. There wasn't much slick passing straight from Lehmann's goal kicks as usual - we adjusted and won 2-1. Not matter what anyone says, it's all about winning. I'm not keen on winning through diving/cheating, as I've said before, but I have no qualms about playing ugly football and grinding out results. |
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Though their final touch let them down (and that has been mentioned), some of their football was damn good. for about 30 minutes in the first half they were in complete control, playing a lot of 1 touch football and at many points taking the ball of bolton almost at will whilst almost never losing the ball. They won just about every 50-50. It was only in the second half that Bolton started to play, but even so Arsenal still had their fair share of possession, and their best chances came in the second half. |
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I think there seems to be a distinct tendency for people to dislike the london clubs in particular. Arsenal and Chelsea both receive a lot of stick whereas liverpool and man u seem to be the golden boys. If you watch football on Sky like i do its staggering how much the supposedly unbiased presenters romanticise about the 'historic' liverpool and man u teams... as if that has anything to do with the personality of the teams today!
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I wouldnt say the london based media is biased against london. (but i am)
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Plus there haven't really been historic Arsenal and Chelsea teams.
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It never ceases to amaze me how many utterly worthless comments John Motson can fit into ninety minutes plus stoppage time. Truly the man is some sort of genius.
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Fortunately I watched the game wearing headphones listening to music.
I say watching the game, I mean sleeping and occasionally checking the score and shouting loudly when reading equalised. |
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Johnathan Pearce on the other hand made Arsenal Blackburn bearable.
Bring back Barry Davies. |
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That's a fully fledged b*****d of a good point Lokken. I was trying to think of worthy commentators and I could only come up with those that annoyed, including Brian Moore god bless him. Even Ray Winstone would admit that Davies is the daddy of verbal dribblings.
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