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I like how everyone has just glazed over lokken's post which is really the only actual answer to this whole thread. The whole idea of a support planet rule was discredited. That's why it was removed from the rules.

Everything else is just so much shouting in the lunatic asylum.

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it isnt the answer to the thread at all. Why was it suddenly discredited? Why was it credited? would it be credited again if another group had used it?
thats the real question.

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imo remove ingame alliance score on uni screen, and remove limitations and remove eta advantage for defending in alliance. Thats not what this thread is about though :(

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It wasn't suddenly. It was gradually. Over an extended period of time it became obvious the support planets rule was confusing, irritating, poorly defined, unnecessarily restrictive and just generally not a good thing. No one moment decided this, which is why nobody has pointed one out. If someone signed up like 800 planets to support their tag I imagine something might change. Certainly without the existence of a systematic campaign to utilise support planets I can't see anything being done. As I pointed out all those planets combined add up to something like 5 or 6 def fleets sent to ascendancy. This is about as game changing as a big planet that meant to launch on ascendancy launching on some random co-ords by accident instead.

I'm going to provide a visual aid to what you're doing here

It's a molehill someone turned into a mountain!

I'm going to provide a visual aid to why you're doing it as well

I don't really think this one needs an explanation...

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http://img25.imageshack.us/img25/2986/jbg.jpg

:( gave me 5 mins away from studies making this wonderful thing ! thanks

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Except for the fact I haven't exaggerated anything at all in this thread that's a pretty accurate representation of me and my giant apple. They didn't allow black people in Ireland though when i was in school :(

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Wow, considering I clarified what I actually meant in the very next line I think you just smashed some sort of record for pedantry.

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thanks. a record is a record man.

Also, I dont get how u can call me bitter, or making this up to be a big thing. I asked a question. I dont think there should be any enforced midround change. And I have never said I wanted that.
Its not like AD is so busy, that a discussion about this was totally out of order. Seing how both eXi r15 and Asc r31 are using the same thing for their benefit, just that the results of their use is very different.

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He wasn't calling you bitter, he was calling you an ass.

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I think the safest conclusion here is that the current multihunting team would consider that the decision made in r15 was the wrong one. Certainly when I think of what the support planet rule was eventually decided to be I'm 100% sure nobody has defended Ascendancy out of tag 3 times per week. The second one doesn't actually make sense to me. Over 25% of fleets over the round out of gal and out of alliance to the same alliance constitutes being a support planet sort of makes sense except for the fact you can only decide that when the round is over. I guess you could pick an arbitrary point but that would probably mean ****ing hundreds of planets would get closed as out of tag+gal deffing is fairly rare and there's probably loads of planets with 1 or 2 def fleets out of tag/gal sent which would all then meet the second criteria.

Also I was calling you a bitter ass because it's hardly a coincidence you're making this thread about Ascendancy this round and didn't make it about Omen last round.

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I dont think Omen got more than tops 1 def fleet from out of tag all last round m8 ( we prolly had more, but not alot at all. Nothing compared to asc this round anyway, not that I m saying asc are getting alot out of tag def fleets ) Those out of tag just attacked / waited to be added to tag. Last round this wasnt the case at all really. The "support" omen had from out of tag was people in other tags and Factory group who attacked with us for a week or so.+ a couple of others I added as I kicked idiots who crashed. Most were recruited as round progressed though, so we never had near the same amount of planets out of tag.

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How much "support" do you think Ascendancy are getting?

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[15:23:19] <Hunter> asc having ~120 planets
[15:23:33] <@Wishmaster> they have more planets out of tag than we have in our tag
[15:23:40] <Angmar`> haha
[15:23:41] <Hunter> plus late starters starting now
[15:23:44] <@Wishmaster> ye
[15:23:50] <Hunter> which will add another 20 or so
[15:23:52] <Angmar`> thats ****ed up wish :P
[15:23:53] <Angmar`> but funny
[15:24:04] <@Wishmaster> we can fight the out of tag ascs!!!

not much :( but I honestly wonder if this round, asc suddenly stopped taking inn their normal amount of late starters?

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You asked what the difference was compared to the round it was brought in i answered it you idiot. Learn to read and answer the question i asked provide evidence before coming on the forums like a spoilt little child.

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How much defence can these planets be giving asc, when I, legitimately in tag, am having difficulty finding anything to send defence to most mornings?

Its more a case of them being a def buffer if someoen actually would go to war vs asc. Them being around is also a reason why people might not go to war with asc. I dont know

ye, and ur answer was just not correct. there is no real difference, as I pointed out. I m spoilt, I m smal but I m no kid! I just turned 24 tyvm :p

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Even if Asc committed to using no OOT def or even attacks chances are ppl still wouldnt; so the matter is moot.

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The real discredit in the rules is that it gave rise to situations where the rule could be easily interpreted either way by the MH in situations that could determine ranking positions. These decisions had huge political impact and were nearly always wrong because the rules gave no help whatsoever to the MH. They had my sympathy in trying to apply this terrible rule while I was very frustrated at the way they applied it.

I also have my doubts as to why people wanted it in the first place - I suspect the external pressure on the MH was not because they were concerned with people out of tag. They thought planets were cheating, couldn't prove it and needed another reason to get these planets out of the way, so did that instead. So really, a number of people who supported this rule didn't really care about people not counting in tag anyway.

The worst decision made under this rule was the decision to award the round to Greenhills when he won. To use the OOGOOA rule to override the rule banning donations with the central intention to elevate planet rank which is a fundamental rule of the game all because the donations were 'in galaxy' (and has been outlawed since Singularity used it to win in round 3) was an absolute disgrace. But relative to the situation we kicked up little stink about it - in fact many of Ascendancy decided to praise Greenhills for his 'innovation' while in reality being totally disgusted with it all. There was little point arguing at the time, as people really hated us, for doing nothing else than being innovative. Exploit loopholes by all means, but breaking fundamental rules is unacceptable.

The rule is an absolute monster and should never be allowed to ruin this game again.

In the current situation, we have a few planets playing out of tag - I have not defended since this thread was posted, as I've not been around in the mornings lately to send defence. I am not in the tag because I am not active enough to contribute score, but I can send fast defence against a higher class of ship when called upon by SMS. When I have the time outside of work to attack, I will do so - until then, it's being woken on the train by JBG or getting up during the 5am tick to send defence when I happen to get up early for whatever reason. My sole concern is to help Ascendancy win, as it has been in tag. When in tag, I've played in the same sacrificial way, because I know people like me can be the difference. This is not cynical play, it is not cheating, it is not playing against the spirit of the game - it is simple dedication, organisation and tactics.

There is little else to discuss on the issue quite frankly as this is one of the rare situations where I know I'm right. I appreciate this thread is an attempt to throw crap at Ascendancy under the pretext of a rule (if it wasn't, you would have posted it on PD and written it quite differently). While it is within your right to do so, and a perfectly acceptable propaganda tactic, I think it's a pretty shit attempt and a really boring discussion.

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Yeah but to be honest mate those planets are out of tag for a reason. I'm not in tag because I'm really stupid. So far I've managed to:

Covert op Achi with 55 agensts (successfully) without checking intel
Exile about 15 times and end up back in the gal I landed in on my 3rd exile, deciding this "was a pretty sweet spot"
Crash on a bot planet in 1:1 after assuming "they wouldnt build more ships"
Crash on another bot planet a couple of ticks later after not learning the error of my ways.

To be honest man people like myself and the other out-of-tag players do more harm than good. You shouldn't be complaining about us. We turn Ascendancy into Descendancy!

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and covop me for 350k res at pt 100 or so? :o
ur still an annoying factor tomkat!:p

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Well, I can only speak for myself, but facing a block of multiple alliances makes me want to play again. If even just to cover all those def calls.

Sorry guys, but I guess that's one of those "asc things". If under pressure, people get interested in showing up again!

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theres only 1 problem though.
theres 1 block, and ur inn it :p

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Really? who else is in the block?

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Exploiting loopholes and cheating are different in just about the same way that prostitution and pornography are.

Vaguely.

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..What?

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I'm one of those out of tag people, but i havent deffed since i was removed from tag. I did tell JBG that i would send def if mailed ingame what and where when i'm at work, but i havent gotten a single mail.

I do appreciate the option to send defence to my mates even tho my fleet is tiny due to the difficulty of 7 hrs of i-net with no irc 5 days a week. If the PA-Team removes this option then my reason for actually logging in on a daily basis disappears and i'm likely to drift off from PA and on to other things.

For me it's not about rules or loopholes, it's about a reason to stay in this game. If i can't play with the people i know and care for, then why the hell should i play at all? If it's decided that i cant def asc because i'm not in the tag and not in an asc-galaxy, then i'm likely to delete my planet and call it quits.

Oh and JBG, i didnt lose my i-net, my laptop broke. :|

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I really don't understand this point, your trying to tell me your friends with all 120 orso asc planets?

If you really want to play with your friends and they want to play with you, maybe you should consider playing with just your friends and not exceeding an alliance tag... Its seems to be more and more and excuse to hide behind a great alliance, rather then play against them.

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Maybe his friends have friends as well? Which (quite possibly) too, have friends? (could go on like this for a while)
That's how Asc got so big, friends inviting friends inviting friends. Not to "mass recruit" but to play with friends.

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This is a war game. Everything should be legal.

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Have fun there, but since there's sod all NAPs between the smaller alliances and more hostiles flying at each other than at Asc lately, I wouldn't go so far as to call it a block. There's basic levels of communication to try to avoid double-booking, but for now that's it. As far as I can tell, I've landed more attacks on WAFHH planets in majority Asc gals than anything else, but that's my own fault for always being late for TP.

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Hi aksel, good to see you posting bro. However I dont think everything should be legal, as some nerd sitting there with 50 or so planets all controlled by him would be a tad bit tiresome but only ruin the game for the less actives :(

Please elaborate if ya dont actually mean what I interpretated you as stating there ;)

I'll give ya a chance!

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the part about asc being a big community, 1 question.

How many were in asc channels prior to r30 after the purge after r29?
in r30 / r31 u recruited a shitloads of tards / jumpers?

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I believe we recruited to about 50-60 after the purge and before round 30. The remainder of our members joined after tickstart.

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so in reality there is no such thing as a big asc community, just people joining to get a good planet rank?

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Yeah man. Loads and loads of people joined us at the start of R30 for an easy ride. ****ing hundreds there were. And boy were they right, piece of piss that round was. Record numbers of Asc in the top 100.

I mean, it's obvious we're not a community because we don't limit ourselves to 30 members and play the way you think we should. Nah, we're much much a collection of loose associates whose only objective is to ruin Planetarion for everyone and, long term, the internet in it's entirety.

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Ascendancy are like the cool popular kid in school that everyone bitches about but secretly wants to be!

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There is a community (or even communities!) within Ascendancy, but Ascendancy are not a community. Ascendancy is just a setup that lets people play in a certain way - and people choose to join up to it.

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but not as many people joined up to it in the past when ascendacy werent winning every round... :p

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Actually in r22, having not won since r16, we recruited miles over the tag limit. I know because people bitched at us at the time as well because I set up a second ascendancy tag called Descendancy. So, y'know, you're full of shit.