Alexander Litvinenko
Conspiracy theory perhaps but could putin really have ordered this? or at the very least allowed it? The thing that really confuses me though is why bother with such an overly dramatic and obvious murder? If the russians wanted him dead they could just have jacked him in the street, robbed him and 'happen' to kill him whilst doing so. But putting polonium ffs in his food! Its like something out of james bond*
I remember reading a while back when russia's oil industry was being brought under government control that putin wrote a thesis as a student which hes basically following now. Hes re-nationalising and consolidating all the big companies so they can 'match' the multi-nationals of the west. The oil was first and apparently defence has followed. It doesn't seem like a very sensible way forward. *meant in a bad, austin powers way |
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This is a fairly detailed account of things
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I think the answer to both your questions is 'yes'. Who else would kill him and why would anyone use such an overdramatic method? I would astonished if this was a random attack by some psycho and he just happened to kill a Russian ex-spy who feared for his life.
You also ask to ask, who benefits? For the Russians, it sends out a warning to all other dissidents, particularly to Berezovsky. Quote:
Although it could all have been orchestrated by the enemies of Russia, he could have poisioned himself to attract international criticism of Russia. But that's just wild speculation, as is the rest of this post. |
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They found Polonium in Boris Berezovsky's offices. I was reading that Mario Scaramella also headed an organisation which tracked dumped nuclear waste.
I thought it was a little odd he was taken out in such a dramatic fashion, and the amount of excellent PR coverage he received. I did suspect the Kremlin did it to warn others, but would they risk their international reputation like this when its relations with the European Union are already so frosty? Are they so blithely unconcerned with international opinion? My initial thoughts are that Boris Berezovsky poisoned him to frame the Kremlin. But perhaps the Kremlin used an obvious method then tried to pin it to the two others by leaving traces of polonium in Berezovsky's office and waiting for the press to discover that Scaramella is involved in a organisation that deal with nuclear waste. I mean, it's pretty clear the Kremlin killed the dissident Russian journalist Anna Politkovskaya. I'm sure this is more interested than the new James Bond film. It's certainly better than the excrement that was Mission Impossible 3. |
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The times article I posted earlier has some pretty good background of Scaramella and Berezovsky.
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One of the odder things I've heard (apologies if this is duplicated in any of the links given, I've not checked them out yet) is that Litvinenko had repeatedly accused Putin of being a paedo and that was one of the reasons he was bumped off.
Imagine if Dace was a powerful dictator. :( |
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Not that I've read it, but apparently Litvinenko's book claims the Kremlin set up the Beslan massacre as well. I'd say that makes Litvinenko look like somewhat of a crank (unless he's right of course), but then everyone in this looks quite suspect.
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I didn't think much of it at the time, but alongside Dante's post... :o |
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The trouble with all this is, we have no idea if we're going off into bullshit conspiracy theories or not. I'm not sure about beslan but the apartment block bombings did seem 'odd'. I can't think of any other terrorist group that would go to the trouble of rigging up explosives in buildings to bring them down*
Amusingly i was looking at the 2003 russian election results, to see if any alternative to putin existed. The second biggest party were the commies, the third were pseudo-supremecist nationalists!!! So basically putin's actions both in terms of bumping people off in unecassarily elaborate ways and taking a weird quasi-commie-nationalist-monopolistic attitudes to trade are 'liberal'!!!!!! The only good thing about russia are the women** *ok ira aside, which was one small bomb. But can anyone thing of a similar incidence on a similar scale anywhere else? ** Lies obviously, they're aids ridden and with severe mental/emotional instability and an 'attitude' problem. I expect that turns dante on even more but i'll pass thankyouverymuch :( |
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Heresy.
Dude, Russian girls are hot. Apart from the shot putters. Obviously. |
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I'm actually really interested what theory you think is the conspiracy theory and which one isn't! |
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Gary Kasparov had better watch out :(
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It could be a false trail intended to incriminate someone else I suppose, but it makes little sense to leave a false trail unless you think someone's going to come looking for it. One advantage of using Polonium-210 in the first place is that it's virtually impossible to detect--so long as no one suspects a radioactive poison. Litvinenko was (mis-)diagnosed and being treated for Thallium poisoning (Thallium is a fairly ordinary and easily obtained poison*, and has similar symptoms even though it kills via chemical reactions and not radiation) right up until about the time he died. They came very close to missing the Polonium-210 altogether and attributing his death to Thallium poisoning or to some unknown cause (and if that had happened, they would not now be looking for and finding traces of Polonium-210). I would think if you wanted to frame someone you'd use a more conventional means of murder and more conventional types of incriminating evidence (to ensure both that the authorities would look for said evidence and that they would then find it). *Thallium used to be the active ingredient in many rat and ant poisons (and undoubtably still is in some parts of the world). |
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This could be a bluff, or a double bluff - we're perhaps meant to think: "It's so obviously the Russian Government that it can't be" etc. It could be some group who noone would ever expect so they can afford to be sloppy. It could be some group who know that it doesn't matter if they get caught there's nothing anyone can do about it. It could be some group thinking "lets show them how easy it is to get into the country and assassinate someone" The law the Russians passed in the summer though makes me lean heavily towards the governmental 'conspiracy' theory. It's the one that makes the most sense at the moment. Although it could have been a group linked to the government but not given specific orders by them... Who knows. |
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It's turning into an 80s film script pretty quickly.
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Just found this paragraph in todays Guardian:
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And more confusing - look at this one from a Turkish paper: Quote:
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The independent and times seem to believe his friend, the italian academic, has been poisoned now (or tested positive for polonium, which is surely the same thing, isn't it?). I read a few days ago the newly poisoned academic said both of them (him and Litvinenko) were threatened prior to Litvinenko's death.
And now a former Russian PM has been poisoned. Putin has already telephoned him to wish him a speedy recovery. |
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If this isn't the Russian government, I lean towards the rogue agent explanation. Either way, they're not looking terribly good right now.
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Heh. That's fantastic.
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