NFI Statement on todays political shifts
Due to recent developments where by NewDawn has chosen to agree to Ascendancys request for a NAP, we’ve chosen to extend a NAP to Conspiracy, for their continued friendly disposition towards us.
Regards, NFI Command Team |
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I swear my post was going to be better.
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Due to recent developments whereby the opposing block, consisting of the third and fifth placed alliances, which we weren't losing to, didn't grow in size we decided the only appropriate response was NAPing the fourth placed alliance.
Regards, NFI Paraphrasing Team |
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And you accuse me of half-truths... |
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I'm not denying anything. I'd have loved to see how you guys would hold up against some real incoming.
If only so you'd not have the time to text me at 7am bragging about how great you are because you covered 1 of your planets in an asc gal raid... |
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Tzu, don't get drawn into debating JBG on the forums please. I will ban you <3
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We should have our own forums. They'd be more active tbh.
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Not if you're banned from talking to me!
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touché :(
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thx for making the round even less interesting!
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Well done, CT, well done.
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this web of NAPs is gonna end with no-one attacking anyone by the looks of it.
The Asc NAP with ND only formalised the obvious situation that we have no interest in hitting the junior partner in the opposing block. CT's NAP only makes that block, already much superior, larger . If the Asc NAP was with anyone other than ND it would be a fairly transparent attempt to peel one member of the block away from the other, but as ND is about the least likely ally in PA to backstab I dont see this as a likely occurrence. |
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Boring round.
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In fact, we've done it rather often. Usually from a position in which we just ended up giving alliances like CT a chance to win, because they themselves couldn't be arsed to. That's irony for you. I remember a round in which Ascendancy set up a block against the #1 alliance (Apprime, I think, but don't hold me to it) at a time when we were 6th. The problem here is that alliances like CT are never the ones to take the initiative. Even ODDR gave it a try this round, but CT are just an inert force and always have been. |
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I crashed my fleet :(
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How unlike you :rolleyes:
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I didn't actually say that apprime and ascendancy giving up was reason for us to lessen our motivation to win, I said it'd lessen our motivation to hit the top alliance. Seeing as we have no chance of winning, the only motivation for hitting the top alliance is simply because I'd rather be playing a more exciting round of planetarion, and increase the fun had from the spectatorship aspect of the game. But, like I said, seeing as you and apprime have already given up, this isn't any longer much of a motivating factor. Quote:
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At this juncture it's worth pointing out that ct only had the level of incomings that they received due to the fact that when they were contacted about hitting nfi they refused to be involved. Incomings received thereafter have largely been ct planets in nfi heavy gals who had to be hit due to the fact they would def ingal otherwise.
Realistically I doubt anyone has given up yet. If CT dropped their nfi nap tomorrow and nd did the same the round would obviously be wide open. Unfortunately neither will and it isn't. It is instead about as interesting as a dried turd. Between nfi's complete unwillingness to even come near the possibility of fighting a vaguely even war, nd's being in bed with nfi's hc to the extent that describing them as having a cock up their ass would miss the fact that it's actual so far up there that it's banging off their tonsils and ct's, well, golan described it fairly well as a new low even for ct so I'll stick with that. Maybe we should all just nap anyone! Anyone who feels like it propose an ingame nap to ascendancy and we'll accept it! Edit: I don't really blame anyone for this round though. Apprime and ascendancy are significantly below par, although given the decline in recent rounds this is hardly that surprising. NFI are eager to win their first round. ND hc have friends in there. CT aren't exactly used to battling it out for #1 since r32. Nobody else has both enough members and sufficient quality and motivation to get involved at the top. It's just that, well, if we're going to do this can we just end the round now? NFI #1 alliance, 1.5.6 #1 planet and we can flip a coin between 13.3 and 8.2 for #1 gal! Roll on round 39! |
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As for us hitting you, let me tell you what our raid targets have been these last few days: Friday: 10:7 (4 NFI, 1 CT) Saturday: no raid (random roiding) Sunday: 11:2 (2 NFI, 1 CT) Monday: no raid (mass fr/de wave on top 10 NFI planet) Quote:
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[edit] Or you chould just read JBG's post. That works. |
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As I said before in my first post, I'm not personally a fan of the NAP, and would rather join a block to hit ND/NFI, but I'm not going to pretend I think it's obviously in our best interests.. It isn't. Quote:
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What i dont understand is why CT suddenly refuse to join a block against a dominating alliance. They have done so to pin down Ascendancy and/or Apprime since round 30. This is exactly why the last 3 rounds have been dull. Its the same alliances sticking dicks up eachothers asses, successfully making every round about having most allies. There has not been a real fight for #1 since Apprimes win in round 34 and to some extent round 35. I wish alliances could try to improve themselves instead of naping every man and its dog to take care of the slightest problem.
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[edit] Originally I wrote a step-by-step plan for victory here, but when I finished it I deleted it because that's the kind of bastard I am. However, if you're only interested in getting big numbers in the PA spreadsheet, then perhaps, yes, napping as many alliances as possible is the best move to make. Me, I play this game to enjoy myself. Napping the #1 alliance and gal raiding for the remainder of the round does not fit my definition of "fun". Quote:
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([[App, Asc] 30 fleets combined], ODDR, ND [37 hostile fleets that night, teamed with VGN the next night on our top planet - so much for your pre-round agreement rumours], Osiris and CT. There were other random incs, but we don't begrudge that. What is it, exactly, you're lamenting us for? |
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ND HC have sat in NFI private channel all round, they're not breaking the NAP. End the round sooner rather than later please, so much for this round trying to be an encouragement for new players to get involved. It's going to be another 500 ticks of getting bashed by the #1/#2 allies.
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Neither did you. Or anyone in the last 20 rounds, for that matter. Convince me, though. I will accept a graph of a round in which an alliance gained no roids for more than 10 days. PAwiki will help you.
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What i mean is that not since round 34 and to some extent r35, has a dominating alliance needed to fight a long, outnumbered and continuous war to secure a win. Last round was still a NAP frenzy where none of the alliances got anywhere close to what Asc and Apprime faced in the previous rounds. |
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About 1 week for Apprime x2 About 2 weeks for Apprime there About 1,5 week for Ascendancy. In all those examples there was a huge block outnumbering Apprime or asc greatly. Keep in mind that both alliances started losing roids when the block got larger and topped the existing incs that wasnt great enough to take more roids then they gained. Speaking for Apprime, we often grounded fleets for def more then 1 week at the time, using leftovers to organize waves in the morning, making use of 100% of our fleets. This often led to gaining small amounts of roids every day because of effective def and gaining small roids on the morning retals. |
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Seriously though, Apprime can pussy out of a teamup they organised and then cry about nobody sending a lot of hostile fleets at us? :rolleyes: |
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normally ppl underestimate rather than overestimate the number of incs, i remember quite often thinking omg that was a terrible night, must have been 150 fleets and when added up it only really comes to 90-100.
Or have U gotten to the point where you no longer need to big up the opposition in order to convince ppl ur really the ones ganged up on (in spite of things currently being basically 3 vs 2), ie it no longer matters ur gonna walk it whatever anyone thinks? |
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Anyway, this is all rather offtopic. Feel free to make one more post about this, then let's focus on the round at hand, please. |
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In any case, the organizer and the main competitor of a block don't necessarily need to be one and the same. Ascendancy played the role of the former multiple times while not being the latter. I see no reason why Apprime could not do the same, especially when there are no other alliances to do it (hi CT). |
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I think you're just mistaking me for somebody who's trying to put an angle on something - if I were to manipulate the facts and numbers then somebody would undoubtedly call me on the bluff. mz, for example, who seems to know everything about every round of PA to the point he's a scary person, would certainly 'set me straight' if I were to exaggerate numbers (as he's just done with HaNzI). Hard as it may be to swallow, I was simply correcting a couple of mistruths, rather than try to have any vast influence over anyone. I'd also suggest that anyone basing their decisions/ambitions/goals on what is said on the forums propobably shouldn't be in a position to make decisions or set ambitions or goals beyond an individual level. With the exception of extreme examples, i.e. public declarations of wars/excessive abuse directed at one person or alliance... that kinda thing. But you get my point. Just out of curiosity, who are the 'two' that are versus my apparent 'three'? |
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From "watching" the round on sandmans twice a week or so, this round seems pretty lol.
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I would, however, like to point out (again) that Ascendancy have not in fact been hitting you. We have actually attacked NFI-heavy galaxies, as demonstrated above. And, oh, have those foolish attempts ever cost us. Quote:
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Clearly A NAP shouldnt really equal a block as its not an offensive alliance but a non aggression pact but for as long as I can remember NAP has been synonymous with blocking in this game. Its rarely as simple as A B and C vs X Y and Z, but its usually portrayed as such. This is one such instance where the lines are not neatly drawn, but blocks do exist. And for good measure if we were to add osiris in then its NFI/ND/CT vs Asc/App/Osi but still 3/2 in terms of relative strength. |
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Besides, we're hitting App because they wanted to challlenge us for roundwin. I think they've seen now that it wont happen - there's talk of them giving up on all but lolwaving our top planets - and are just trying to ensure that we don't win either. So naturally, NFI are interested in hitting them. I don't know what NewDawn's take on it is, nor do I expect CT will be helping us team on App all the while they have their own incoming to deal with. As tzu said, CT didn't join in the free-for-all on NFI so we've agreed to a non-aggressive-pact as to prevent us hitting their planets either on solo attacks or in galraids. It's far more effort than it's worth to chase somebody down and get them to recall a solo attack on a friendly alliance than it is to just take advantage of the hardcoded system available ingame, no? |
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Kenny you're really telling me for the rest of the round you're going to attack Apprime/Ascendancy & not hit ND/CT/Osiris?
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I wont hit anyone I have a NAP with, unless they cancel it first with the intention of hitting us, nor do I intend to target an entire alliance who I'm not at war with.
So that covers ND/CT/Osi, to the best of my knowledge. We told ND when we made our NAP that we'd not target them or break the nap, but if they beat us by roiding more effectively then credit where credit's due etc. Quote me, make a note of the date and time of this post if you'd like, but yes - that's what I'm saying. |
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ND/CT/Osiris will not be targeted to either ensure NFI win or advance our planet/gal ranks unless they first take hostile actions against us. ps. I'm rather appalled that there's such disbelief that someone playing this game might actually strive to be honorable in their actions. |
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