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Well it's inevitable that a thread of this nature will be devised so I might as well bring it up for anyone who's interested.
So many people I've noticed are all about the X-Box 360 and quite a lot of people are forgetting what PS3 is going to be powered by... the processor is entitled the "Cell" and believe it or not, its power exceeds the capabilities of the X-Box 360. According to so many sources, 8 Cell processors together is sufficient enough to be enlisted in the top 500 supercomputers list. It's being worked on by Sony, IBM and Toshiba so that's a hell of a lot of knowledge behind the making of this vastly superior chip. It's quite likely to be extended to PC's in the not too distant future too because it 'can' withstand extreme workloads and is also able to handle all kinds of digital entertainment media but for the mean time, I'm sure it'll stay exclusive to the PS3 as it has been designed primarily for. I've covered a bit in Computing but the teacher only went as far as drawing a diagram of the structure of the chip and comparing it to a typical CPU layout with the ALU, etc. The Cell has a core and 8 SPU's surrounding it, each housing iirc. 4/5 FPU's. (Floating Point Units and Synergistic Processor Units). In basic, he said it was like several mini-processors all-in-one which makes for a far more efficient and in this case, more powerful chip. X-Box 360 will be good but the PS3 will be better imo. I wouldn't recommend Nintendo out completely - they're switching to DVD's now and it will be backwards compatible to also allow the playing of Gamecube games. It's going to be just over the thickness of 2 DVD cases and just over the length of one according to Nintendo (iirc.). Now that's going to be bloody small (think slimline PS2 but smaller I think). Simply saying, Nintendo are 'slowly' moving towards expanding outside of the Japanese market and slowly appealing towards the Western audience. The Revolution will be out-of-the-box wireless internet capable and the proposed feature like X-Box LIVE which never came out on the Gamecube (only was in Japan or tested there iirc.?) is now more than likely to go ahead. |
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Moving away from the consumer side of things, Playstation has been a bugger to code for out of all the systems this generation and Microsoft have deliberately made the Xbox 360 easier to code for than the current Xbox. If Sony give headaches still for the Playstation 3, then that will not only make sure the console isn't used up to its full potential but keep the launch window of their games scattered as developers struggler to get the game out quick enough (As Sony are definately not wanting to give Microsoft too much of a lead in launch.) The timing of the launch is really in Microsoft's favour. They've had poor production of the Xbox console recently, and the launch of the 360 just shows that it was probably due to that. Sony won't be able to bring out the PS3 for a good 6 months after the Xbox 360 at a guess - due to the fact it's too busy meeting demand for the PSP currently and the fact it's only just released the silver slimline PS2. I could potentially see Sony being the last to release a next generation console. Nintendo news is few and far between - I haven't heard of it utilizing DVD but it has been confirmed that it will be backwards compatable with the Gamecube. |
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Until we see more solid specs and tech demos I'll reserve my thoughts on the cell architecture of the PS3. I've heard both positive and negative points to it.
At the end of the day it's not the technology that sells the console its the quality of the game itself. You only need to consider the fact that the X-Box spec was superior to the PS2, but that didn't stop Sony from gaining the most market share in console sales. Personally I want to see the X-Box 360 succeed, I think Sony have had hold of the reigns for too long already. Admittedly I'm also still a little raw at them for adding to the demise of Sega :mad: Nintendo I see as more of a wildcard. They are the oldest surviving player in the console arena, and they don't intend to lose. I envisiged them using their hold on the portable entertainment market and using it as leverage. Their strength as I see has always been innovation rather than raw power, and from all the rumours out there surrounding the Revolution I expect to see more of the usual wackiness they do so well. |
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Here is a fake video of the Revolution. It would need to be something like this to actually be as revolutionary as they claimed.
http://arachneon.free.fr/Nintendo.zip |
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10Mb onboard memory, I already mention this in the other thread
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There is so much crap for the PS2 though. The PS2 won mainly due to the fact it came out before the Xbox/GC and had backwards compatability with the PSX. "Exclusive" doesn't last long nowadays. (As shown with GTA and Splinter Cell) So far the three games confirmed for launch with the Xbox 360 are: Perfect Dark Zero, Kameo: Elements of Power, Project Gotham Racing 3. With the disappointment of GT4 (to the extent some fans prefer PGR2) I see that as a good sign so far. Quote:
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The only reason I originally purchased the Gamecube on the release date was firstly, after playing Perfect Dark to the death (addictive) I presumed it would be released on Gamecube too (there were even signs of it too).... then the saddened departure of the team to Microsoft which bugged me a little. I considered the PS2 and X-Box but the majority of the games I wanted for both came out on PC (eventually). The only luring point towards X-Box was the Halo game (I've heard that Halo 2 is actually just apart of Halo 3...?!) but the chunky SNES & PS2 inspired controller (could say Dreamcast but that was more based on the SNES and PS2 too) just put me off. It's an ok controller but just way too big for its own good. I loved the N64 controller and the Gamecube controller was just pure brilliance imo. The PS2 controller I've come to get used to but nothing compares to the controllers Nintendo come out with.
If Nintendo ever did go down the same route as Sega, I'd like to see them produce controllers at least :) |
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I hate the Z button the Cube controller with a passion. |
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I expect that this thread will be moved much like my xbox thread was moved
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I was going to buy a PS2 but then I thought "PS3 will be out sometime, I'll just wait."
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http://ps3.ign.com/articles/614/614619p1.html
The PS3 unveiled, it looks pretty crap, very similar to PS2 except they've thrown in a curve shape to it and thr joypad is one of the most disgusting pads ive seen and the button layout....pfff same as PS1 and 2 *sigh* Hope Nintendo is something special :) |
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I'm gonna wait for the Pentium 5 I think. |
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I presume at some point the entire presentation will be available for download somewhere, but I recommend viewing it if only for the Unreal demo. Its quite funny to see the amount of rumours that are running around based on people double guessing the meaning of slides who didn't go to the presentation (i.e people quoting it is 10 TFLOPS, or FF7 is being remade for it). |
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If any how the control pads are wireless, I'll hate Sony for this.
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They said that the PS2 could be considered a supercomputer. The PS3 isn't significantly more powerful than the X360 or the Revolution, assuming it's more powerful in the first place.
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They seem to be claiming the GPU will somehow be somthing revolutionary and spectacular and unprecedented, and then in the next sentence go on to say that it will be nearly twice as powerful as todays most powerful graphics card.
Now correct me if im wrong, but if Moores law still holds true for video cards, this means they will double in power every one and a half years. If the release date for the PS3 is a year away at best, then realistically is the graphics processor going to be anything special at the time of release? Sure it will be powerful and sold at a loss, but if you can get the same level of power out of the contemporary GPU's then that is hardly revolutionary now is it? |
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The PS3 is said to be twice as powerful as the X Box 360. Which isn't that impressive when you consider that the PS3 is coming out one year later.
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Moores law hasnt held for some time (why have we not got 4GHz processors when we had 3GHz years ago..) However GPU's might be different as they are slightly behind and thus have a bit life in the law yet.
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I haven't looked at the video card market for some time but for a while they were doubling in power every 6 months. Might have slowed down now though.
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Ofc its not a 'law', i never said it was an exact science, but Moore's 'law' has held for decades, and has failed over recent years due to the limits of size.
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The current X-Box only has 64 megs of RAM, and that's only really represented a problem in badly coded games, so far (Thief 3, Deus Ex 2 for example). |
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But the ps3 controller looks hideous.
*shudders* And I always get bored of tech-specs. I can have the best pc in the world but still have crap games and that's no use. I need games, games! |
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ps3 can render games with 128 bit. sounds exorbitant
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There's nothing inherently "better" about a higher number of bits, it just suggests a higher limit - notice that over the past few years consoles have moved from being described simply by their number of bits towards one based around actual specification. |
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On a slightly related note, now I'm finishing university and moving back somewhere with a television, I'd like to buy a new console. (There's only so many times you can replay Goldeneye.) Which one should I get? I'm generally far more concerned about good games than graphics etc. Will all these new ones coming out be backwards compatible?
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What kind of games do you prefer? Does it have to be a console? Does it have to be a new console? |
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i recommend the PS3, but i'm somewhat an acolyte of Sony so that may be a biased comment. I don't think the Revolution is going to be a winner though; rather, i suspect it will be to Nintendo as the Dreamcast was to Sega - the final nail in the coffin.
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If you want multiplayer games, I'd probably say a Gamecube: the PS2 only has 2 controller ports, and in all too many games on the X-Box multiplayer, even offline multiplayer, is forced through XB Live.
The PS2 has by far the largest library (partially because it's the oldest), but the only thing it's really got that the other two haven't got is a pile of Japanese RPGs (FFX, Disgaia, that kind of thing). I personally just don't think there's enough games on the X-Box worth buying, although that's with a PC. Your PC crashing isn't really a problem, as buying a new, decent, PC would barely cost more than the initial price of the new round of consoles, although it is more for single player gaming in many ways. |
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The Gamecube, although underwhelming in sales terms, still made a profit for Nintendo. They also have an absolutely enormous amount of money banked away. Saying that Nintendo can plausably cease producing console hardware after the next generation isn't something that's really backed up by the information that's available to us. |
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Where would be the cheapest place to buy one? (Or "Can I save any money by not going and getting one from Game?") |
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P.S. REVOLUTION WILL R0X0R 4 B1G F4T 0N3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111 |
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The biggest reason to back the Revolution to do better than the Gamecube is that it fixes all the mistakes that the Gamecube made: full DVD drive, proper online support, less "kiddy" looking (oh hey, purple plastic and a handle!). The DVD drive may be a nonstarter at this stage, as DVD players may well be reaching saturation, but the second two are definite factors. Of course, I'm not sure if "proper online support" was necessary a failure for the GC; X-Box Live made an enormous loss (hell, Microsoft have only made a profit in ONE QUARTER (ie 3 months, not 1/4 of whole) of the X-Box's lifespan, and that was solely down to Halo 2), and is still making an enormous loss, and even Sony's half hearted support hasn't had any tangible benefits (although of course, this is a fairly simplistic view, as it's impossible to say how many people bought consoles or games just becaues of, say, XBL; the figures I saw only included the subscription fees, but then as the X-Box has been a massive lossmaker overall, I'd say the lack of specific data for this is pretty irrelevent). That isn't of course to say that the companies were necessarily wrong in their approaches; Nintendo repeatedly stated they didn't want to enter the online market until there was money in it (which there obviously wasn't), and the X-Box was all about heavy-handed acquisition of market share. I, personally, would probably be most likely to buy the X-360 (which is a shitty name, Xenon was much better. But then that's always the way with Codenames; Katmai and Clawhammer are much more interesting than Pentium III and Athlon 64), as I haven't got an X-Box and I've got a Gamecube and a PS2 (I think I'm right in thinking that all three consoles are back compatable; I know there was some issues in the X-Box's case because the previous iteration was based on an nVidia chipset and the new one is ATi, but if memory serves back compatability has been announced). If, or rather, how soon, I get the others is more dependent on launch titles than in the X-360's case, as there's already a large inaccessable library that will open up for me. Going by previous trends, I'll probably not get the PS3 until near the end of its life - not being a major game publisher in their own right (oh hey, SWG!) hurts Sony a lot in this regard. There are of course downsides to the X-360; I don't particularly like the direction Live is going, if the quotes I've seen tell the full side of the story in terms of online privacy issues, and I'm cyncial about the prospects of microcontent downloads, but then I get enough multiplayer satisfaction out of the PC for now - the games I'm interested in on the X-Box tend to be single player ones anyway (as far as I know, Jade Empire is an X-Box exclusive, for example). What would be interesting to see is the number of repeat customers for the other two consoles (ie one breaks, get a new one). If people are proportionately spending more of the gamecube market share on games rather than the console itself, that may explain why the Nintendo console is the most profitable one, as the hardware itself is always a loss leader. |
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That started its life as a concept for a much shorter post.
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