Closing an account because of gal pic - too extreme?
 

Today PA Crew have closed the account of the GC of a top10 galaxy indefinately for an improper galaxy picture. Some of you have probably seen it. While I do not deny the fact that the pic could be inappropiate, I do feel closing the GCs planet for good is extremely harsh and seriously disadvantages the rest of his galaxy. Does anyone else think that this was too extreme punishment, maybe he should have been given a warning first?

Re: Closing an account because of gal pic - too extreme?
 

depends what the pic was

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he's a long time pa player who knew it wouldn't be allowed... it's about time pa team do as they say they would. not to mention a thread was just made about it so he knew 100% sure. don't see how he can complain tbh

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agreed

you said was closed and reopened once through, did he change the pic?

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yes

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agree here too, the new thread kind of makes him have no excuse for not knowing (what with being a "oldschool" player as well)

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A bit extreme.. but maybe they had other stuff on him they couldn't prove so... figured this was their shoot at taking him out?

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A twat like him should be closed on sight anyway so I dont care! :p

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yes..the one closed is me.

I setup a gal banner which showed some teenagers cheering while looking at a V smal screen of porn- u could hardly c what happened at all.
I spose someone will give the url later one.. I will also once I get it again.

I was even told by gal m8s to set this as gal banner, wasnt my suggestion...

Thing is:
biffy closes me after gal banner was up for 27 hrs or so.

I come online. Appocomaster reopence it, and just smiles and laugh.
Sayign that the fact 3 fleets where recalled was punishment enough.

I say I will never setup a gal banner with a girl ever again....


I go to party. land 2 attacks. nice ones even!! (as zik)

then I am closed..I go to irc -drunk and all- dont got convos or owt.

I ask why...appo tells me to contact biffy, I pm biffy. I say I am sry and all..

I say I didnt think while I did it.. my bad etc etc...

he says - u r fked. u wont ever be reopened.

thats pretty much the story.

I did a mistake.

Sry

sry to my galaxy and my m8s.




Wishmaster

Re: Closing an account because of gal pic - too extreme?
 

biffy is a pussy

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As I guess i know which pic it was, I guess pa crew is being a bit holier than the pope there, scandalizing what isn't half as scandalous as me in underwear.

I'd say remove the link, warn the guy to never put anything else than pictures of fluffy animals (in non-sexual scenes) on for the rest of the round (or else get closed), and watch him closely for the rest of the round..

Ruining the game for him, and with that for the rest of the galaxy, is a bit pathetic..

But well who believes all pa crew decisions are well thought through, with all arguments being heard, also think it's the bunny who hides the eggs..

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like I said its a tad extreme, they did recall 3 of his fleets, and close him for a day. I think that is punishment enough.

Re: Closing an account because of gal pic - too extreme?
 

die moron :down:

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for eXilition I fall

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guys..dont make this into an exi thread, or a thread about my person.

I twat I am, but the MH can surely testify I dont cheat ^^

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totally unfair even if you had seen the picture it's not so bad. It was doctored and you dont see anything plus I'm sure you've all seen it before.
I hope u get reopened (again) Wish, because this is an injustice

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youve been playing for long enough to know that sorta thing isnt allowed.
i cant say i have any sympathy for you because of that


edit: also, i cant see why a thread was created for this. If biffy said you arent getting reopened, ever then he isnt going to go back on that just because youve drummed up some public pressure.
its a precident they cant afford to set - reopening people who clearly broke the rules ( like it or not, he did ) because people want them reopened.
If he wants to keep playing, once his account is erased he can sign up again

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appoco puts a thread up on overview for everyone to read. after that someone tries to push pa teams buttons and puts up such a banner... which is basically saying fk u pa-team i'll do what i want... i don't see how he can expect to stay open then :/ drunk or not

if i login to someone's account i can't use drunk as an excuse either :/

it's about time pa team stand by a decision which is clearly stated that it's not allowed before it happened even.

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<3

tbh it was a bit harsh

but if we are going to be completly serious porn is against the rules.

im sorry pm me on irc sometime

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Seems a bit morally flawed when we're "quite happy" to allow the same people to have fleet names like "I ****ed your sister" every round for a warning, and for nothing to actually happen to them (no closing, no consequence, nothing at all!).

- When the Intent is there, the deliberate breaking of the rules and amusingly, something like that is actually aimed at a specfic player in our community (each fleet launch).

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well, claiming it is porn and all is ok. what annoyed me however was biffy claiming it to be kiddy porn, and threathning me to report it to IP provider if I went further with it....


that annoyed me more than being closed.

Porn is once thing..but saying I show kiddyporn and threathning is something else.

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get down from your high horses m8 its utter bs and you know it :/ appo's thinge was about cheating not about galpics kthxbye

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I dont read whats put on overview tbh.

my bad ofc, but this was no attemt to push any limidts.

Also, pa admin reopened me.. so clearly this is something wrong enough to be deleted by jolt, and not PA admins,...

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Priceless, lmao.

Wishmaster, it serves you right. Even if it would have been anyone else. The EULA is there for a reason, break it and you will face the consequences. If it is said no such gal pics - well, tough luck. Next time read before agreeing to it.

Edit: Thumbs up, beefy. Finally you guys at Jolt act accordingly to your EULA, just do that with cheaters next time, too.

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jolt reps have the final say on things. clearly biffy thought it warranted closure+deletion and that really is the end of the matter as far as you're ( and we're ) concerned :)

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GG to PA for closing someone choosing a wrong Gal banner which no one else than biffy reacts on.

I ll find another game to spend my idle time on now... played since r1 so I spose this kinda is a good thing tbh.

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actually someone else did ( and correctly so ) reacted on it.
If i were in pateam, I'd have closed you as well. that banner ( having seen it now ) breaches the rules and you got precisely what you deserved for it.
crying over spilt milk wont help

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ahahahahaha *drool*

You made my night :D

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weird then that Appo thought a closure V harsh and reopened me?

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I am not whining anymore. I have accepted the fact I am closed.

I will now do my outmost to c that no one ever spend a penny playing pa.

Re: Closing an account because of gal pic - too extreme?
 

anything else robban? whoever you are...
/me sighs... i think it says stuff about that aswell tbh

"kthxbye"

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appocos opinions are his own, i cant speak for him but like i said earlier. the buck stops with biffy and theres no coming back if he says no

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Clearly. If you're unable to remember the very few rules that PA has and enforces after playing for 15 rounds then perhaps you should move onto pastures new.

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Well, this is only one side of the story. I/we received complaints (plural) about it; though as a MH i cant personally do much about it, they were passed on. So not only was it blatently flouting clearly stated and long held rules, and within the rights of an admin as dictated by the EULA, it was also an action to recognise the rights of other paying customers.

Tbh, i think biffy was right (!!) to close your planet, Wishmaster, however what i do think is regrettable is the close/open/close actions - it should have been close, end of story.

Also, Appocomaster is a big softie. Who listens to him anyway? ;).

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clearly biffy thought it warranted closure+deletion and that really is the end of the matter as far as you're ( and we're ) concerned

so he is the dictator of this then? hell then he can close someone cos hes gay cos in his church that isnt accepted screw this:/

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I find it amuzing that I get tons of pm saying I shouldnt be closed, and that they neither cba to continue this shit.

but surely..this was the correct move.

carry on

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Personally I think it is a fairly harsh punishment for such an infraction. However it does remain an infraction no matter how many perspectives you look at it from. Given the nature of PA as a game which sets its own rules, which you must explicitly agree to before signing up and given the recent prominent warning link concerning such matters (albeit generally) pa, and or jolt, is perfectly justified in the closure.

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while biffy may have the final say

it says nothing about account closing as action just the pic will be removed

Re: Closing an account because of gal pic - too extreme?
 

what about sending me a pm?

the gal banner was there for about 26 hrs or so...

What about just deleting it?

What good will it do to close my planet?

I can make a new one and set up worse banners... if there would have been any right in this, I should have been deleted from pa for good. Remove me access to ever play again. That way I can understand the judgment being given..

ATM its like saying I am to pay a fine for a murder and let me out again...

Re: Closing an account because of gal pic - too extreme?
 

anything else robban? whoever you are...
/me sighs... i think it says stuff about that aswell tbh

well keep licking ass and you will get cookie sometimes moron:/

Re: Closing an account because of gal pic - too extreme?
 

Getting rid of the account is one way to stop that pic from appearing for sure.

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Re: Closing an account because of gal pic - too extreme?
 

Why should they have to request that you remove a banner that was obviously already in breach of long standing rules anyway?

And how is that a deterrant for future indescretion? It may simply degrade into a game where GCs across the universe try and put up imappropriate galaxy pictures and see who's lasts the longest before an admin can delete it. That isnt the way forward, as anyone with an iota of common sense would realise.

It will create threads like these clearly demonstrating that flouting of the rules by anyone, top 10 high ranking alliance member, or lowliest GC of some far away galaxy, are all bound to the same rules.

Similarly, i highly doubt that you will ever do it again.

Plus i wouldnt imagine that - now with so much "publicity" surrounding the closure of a planet due to a galaxy banner infringement - that all other GCs in the universe will at very least think twice before displaying such inappropriate materiel again.

I imagine that *would* get you permantly banned. If that's what you want, go for it. I must admit though, you;d do nothing except make a fool out of yourself.

Doorsdown: section 18.7Consequences of actions which are not allowed note 2 says:
Admins were acting within their power. 'nuff said.

Re: Closing an account because of gal pic - too extreme?
 

yes phil. I am exi.

Makes me laugh having u ask that question b4 u make any posts regarding the subject.

GG twat

Re: Closing an account because of gal pic - too extreme?
 

actually i asked that (on irc) after i posted several replies on this thread, check the timestamps :P

its always a good idea to check your facts before accusing anyone of anything you know :D
mature :rolleyes:. the game will be better off without you

Re: Closing an account because of gal pic - too extreme?
 

Hey my pals (of alliance A), some guy (of alliance B) has put a pic up that might eventually be illegal.. come on all, let's complain!


Or do you really, really, think that anyone really, really was upset and so very shocked?

Objectivity is never as important as being personally 'right', one of pa's main features olé

While boredom through blocking, bashing or whatever never touched me so much, this kinda lousy personal prance is a true knock-out for the last drops of motivation for this game..


But whatever, the cheers of the 'other side' in this thread show best enough what it's all about..

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I thought PA team would be better without u.. but it seems biffy is still around.

my bad.


GL for keeping players with this attitude.

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MH and others have a pseudoproblem with women.
Proven in r13, when a hirr galaxys banner was taken down, tho in r7/8 they allowed that same banner.


For childrens sake, i'll not post the wet-tshirt banner of hirr.

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Quoted for truth.

I am glad to see the PA Team and Jolt are finally enforcing the EULA appropriately.

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I was the person who initially closed your account as I was the person who had first look at the support query raised through the in-game system as I often check it for any outstanding queries that I can deal with. I had no issue with keeping you closed and was surprised when Appoco informed me had re-opened the account after discussing it with yourself as I felt you losing out on some attacks and defence was hardly a suitable punishment for what you did.

As I debated with you on irc, the picture you posted could easily be considered kiddie porn and was foul enough that the host where it was posted agreed to delete it after I sent him an email linking it to notify him that it was on their servers. It clearly violated the T&C's and not in a borderline "oh look boobies" kind of way. If you went around posting pictures like that in your work you'd probably be fired in this country and at the very least be in a heap of trouble even for just looking at a picture like that. You're just lucky you are not based in the UK for if you were I would have no hesitation in contacting your ISP to report your actions.

The fact your defence for posting it in the first place is that your gal m8s apparently dared you to do it is incredulous and hard to believe when you consider that you're allegedly a player with many years of experience. When you then try to argue your way out of it by resorting to abuse demonstrates to me it was the correct decision to close you. I also fail to see how the fact it was there for a certain period of time should be taken as a sign that it was okay to post it? We allow people the chance to post galpics but this sort of incident suggests to me that there is a need to perhaps remove this feature from future rounds if it is going to be abused in such a way.